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MTOJay said:
nbates66 said:
MTOJay said:
voice our opinion regarding vr? they asked us if we want it. so we are here, some tell them we want it some tell them they dont. all fair isnt it?
Voicing an opinion is one thing, spreading things like "VRORNOBUY" is going a bit further.
no. it is not. why the heck woudl we buy somethign we dont enjoy? saying "novrnobuy" is just stating "i am not buying it until it supports somethign it needs in order for me to enjoy it" where the hell is the problem in stating that you dont buy something until it supports something you know you need in order to enjoy it.

i can state all day long that i dont buy it until it supports vr. you can say you dont buy an iphone until it gets the fingerprint reader for example. tahts totally fair as well. "nofingerprintsensornobuy" do you really think that goes to far? people voicing their opinions? we are not saying anything is ****. we are just saying we dont spend our own money without vr.
This is what I am talking about. 

Guys- ask yourselves if you want to get a Dirt Rally 2 with bugs, worse physics, less cars, or less locations, or less features in general just so he and his two friends can use VR we don't care for.
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2 rally sims. both support vr. apart from dirtrally 1 and rbr there is hardly anything "modern" out there that i would call a rally simulation.
So in other words DR2 has no competition (although SMS is rumored to work on something). Yet you still won't buy a rally sim that has no competition. Because it doesn't support VR. So you want everyone to get a worse sim, just so you and your two friends can put googles on your heads. If you don't get to do that, you won't be buying it. Because a priority for you is VR.

at some point you will understand that the difference between sitting in front of static 2d screen and literally sitting in a car is not just a gimmick. at some point you will understand.  and you are right. if it doesnt get vr i wont buy it, i have said it a 100times already. but i wont buy something i dont enjoy. and i simply dont enjoy simracing on a pancake screen when the other option is to sit in the car with proper sense of speed, proper sense of scale, proper sense of depth, proper sense of elevation and an all around better experience.

one thing were you are wrong though is that i want everybody to get a worse sim. i want everybody to have the same awesome sim. that why many of us are willing to wait some months and pay an hefty extra price that covers the developmentcosts. develop evertything else first and finsih the game and then at the end of the cycle maybe 6-12 month down the road build vr support as a dlc or special vr edition i dont care. i will pay the price and i will wait until all the other customers satisfied with the game first.


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Guys this is really a waste of time and this is a gossip thread, not argue about VR thread. CM are clearly aware about the desire for VR, whether this makes them want to go ahead with or not. All the people who are acting like spoilt children demanding VRORNOBUY need to back down and realise that they won't get there way by ranting and moaning. Go into the dedicated VR threads and discuss things there. People who don't care about VR need to stop winding them up as that will just make them worse.

I want VR in DR 2.0 without a doubt and yes I will be disappointed if VR isn't a feature on release but I am happy to wait and see what happens and if not including VR makes the overall game better for everyone then so be it. Make your points clearly to the dev team on the occasion that they take your feedback to the decision makers. Would they really want to pass on feedback which is entitled people moaning? No, they won't so help them give us what we want by being civil.
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IFrallying is your thing, its silly to discount buying something with so much content as DR 2.0 for just not having VR.Yes , I do own an Oculus.
that is totally fine. i am not telling anyone he isnt allowed to enjoy racing outside vr anymore. i can just talk for myself and i can tell you 100% that i dont enjoy any simracing title without vr - period. it is what it is, i cant change it. it is like that.
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Coming from outside VR perspective, how does adding VR support subtract form anything else? It's not like devs that work on handling ar going to switch to VR development. You get another sub-team to do it. I personally don't think believing companies is the way to go. They already comfortably sneaked into AAA territory by announcing DLC, season pass and deluxe edition alongside the main game announcement (don't even get me started on pre-order culture). Moreover, why should anyone buy something they don't enjoy based just on faith? It's not kickstarter. If games are "too expensive to make" then you're in the wrong business mate. At least DR 2.0 won't have microtransactions and loot boxes (as far as we know).

Don't get me wrong, I want this game to succeed because I love rallying but I can't help myself but laugh when they say VR support is so hard and that it needs tremendous amount of work. Two, adjustable, side-by-side renderers that move relative to the car's position, some UI tweaking and you have yourself a VR game. Is it child's play? No, but it's not rocket science either. There's one big exception though. Having shitty, complicated game engine but one would think, that CM taken it into account?
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So you want to spread the VR talk over multiple threads to make it difficult for Codies to follow all the feedback? I think you're not really helping your cause by dividing VR talk over 4 threads. Keep it in a single thread, rack up the posts and blow up the page count on that thread and Codies will see the clear demand. Now your VR posts will get buried below all the gossip and pizza's. That plus multiple small VR threads on the side is not as effective as one big fat VR thread. Besides, chocolate doesn't make me as sick as VR does, so, yeah.
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Hey, can we just come to a compromise. Just enable real good support for Nvidia 3D vision, lol.

But on a serious note, I just recently got up to set it up properly on a projector and it is really amazing in AC and Spin Tires, it worked well in Dirt Rally too.
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 LMAO its ok to **** about chocolate bars , but not VR ..........................excuse us
I understand that some of you are passionate about VR but, after 20+ pages of seeing the same posts cluttering up this (usually light-hearted) thread, it's getting a bit tiring to read. 

Chocolate bars are brilliant at any time though (for both discussion and for eating), so they are always welcome in the gossip thread. 
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Areyouben said:
So you want to spread the VR talk over multiple threads to make it difficult for Codies to follow all the feedback? I think you're not really helping your cause by dividing VR talk over 4 threads. Keep it in a single thread, rack up the posts and blow up the page count on that thread and Codies will see the clear demand. Now your VR posts will get buried below all the gossip and pizza's. That plus multiple small VR threads on the side is not as effective as one big fat VR thread.
Exactly.                                                                      
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Many complaining players couldn't help it with their VR claims to embed the feature within the game... I guess if you desire to be realistic with your life, why don't you just get a low-spec rally car and participate in one of the open events available in the region? It is idiotic the way a videogame may lose its point of being a videogame through such laments.

Well the game isn't out yet to satisfy your needs, why rushing towards such claim of including the VR? There are many thoughtful ways to avoid the disappointment or the dissatisfaction.

There is a commercial strategy being considered in order to elucidate the sales process and the queries to see if it is necessary to include the VR program after realising a considerable revenue.

Well, dear complaining player, if you were an underage, it is fine because you don't grasp the market, but if you were an overage, mature up.
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Darhour said:
why don't you just get a low-spec rally car and participate in one of the open events available in the region?
Eh, sorry, don't want to flame VR talk any further, but that's just not an option in many regions. Because it's not that simple.
I don't disagree with you by having chosen my words carefully. I mentioned "available" to describe its availability.

But the VR should come after the game is being sold at least not on its alpha stage.
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Darhour said:
Many complaining players couldn't help it with their VR claims to embed the feature within the game... I guess if you desire to be realistic with your life, why don't you just get a low-spec rally car and participate in one of the open events available in the region? It is idiotic the way a videogame may lose its point of being a videogame through such laments.

ohman, you cant even believe how much i would love to do that. of course its not the reality but i would love to be a real race and rally car driver.

but lets not get carried away, if you are not flushed with cash and blessed with a job that offers you a lot of off time you will not be able to make that plan happen. time and money constraints are the main factors why people who would love to do real racing in the end choose virtual racing as a replacement.

of course trying to convince the wife that you want to risk your own life for your enjoyment week in week out is another - but i am not even close to that point with my time and financial situation. while i have a proper and stable income its simply not realistic and it probably never will



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tbtstt said:
Subaru, chocolate AND cake? Excellent work @nbates66
Well i'd like to take credit but that goes to somebody else, i'm finding it WAAAAY harder than it needs to be to find out who did it! Source: https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/300615343859638090/

EDIT: Camo Wedding apparently hahaha
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MTOJay said:
nbates66 said:
EDIT whelp epic fail embed...
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I got engaged last week and I may now have to fight to have this as our cake.
grats. you can do it :D
He can definitely fight for it, there's no guarantee he'll win. Or that there will still be an engagement after so, you know, pick you battles VERY carefully ;)
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urgaffel said:
MTOJay said:
nbates66 said:
EDIT whelp epic fail embed...
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I got engaged last week and I may now have to fight to have this as our cake.
grats. you can do it :D
He can definitely fight for it, there's no guarantee he'll win. Or that there will still be an engagement after so, you know, pick you battles VERY carefully ;)
Oh there's every guarantee I'll loose, I already want a classic muscle car as the wedding car  :D
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Areyouben said:
I got engaged last week and I may now have to fight to have this as our cake.
Make sure you replace the strawberries with kebabs.
I assume you have already negotiated kebab pizza for the Wedding Breakfast @SirPhilMcKraken?
Of course, the reception will also be a DR 2.0 eSports event with a RX supercar just revving in the background instead of music.

Gonna be a lit bash.
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tbtstt said:
Areyouben said:
I got engaged last week and I may now have to fight to have this as our cake.
Make sure you replace the strawberries with kebabs.
I assume you have already negotiated kebab pizza for the Wedding Breakfast @SirPhilMcKraken?
Of course, the reception will also be a DR 2.0 eSports event with a RX supercar just revving in the background instead of music.

Gonna be a lit bash.

Congratulations! Even if you don't get the rally cake or the RX supercar it's going to be a great day ;D
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tbtstt said:
Areyouben said:
I got engaged last week and I may now have to fight to have this as our cake.
Make sure you replace the strawberries with kebabs.
I assume you have already negotiated kebab pizza for the Wedding Breakfast @SirPhilMcKraken?
Of course, the reception will also be a DR 2.0 eSports event with a RX supercar just revving in the background instead of music.

Gonna be a lit bash.
I like your style. Nothing says romantic first dance like a burst of anti-lag. 
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urgaffel said:
tbtstt said:
Areyouben said:
I got engaged last week and I may now have to fight to have this as our cake.
Make sure you replace the strawberries with kebabs.
I assume you have already negotiated kebab pizza for the Wedding Breakfast @SirPhilMcKraken?
Of course, the reception will also be a DR 2.0 eSports event with a RX supercar just revving in the background instead of music.

Gonna be a lit bash.

Congratulations! Even if you don't get the rally cake or the RX supercar it's going to be a great day ;D
Thanks man! Haha I hope so :)

First dance at 7000rpm! @tbtstt
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KevM said:
I genuinely think the team are cautious after DiRT 4.  They’ll see how well the customers support them with 2.0 and plan a future strategy based on demand.  Why invest time and resources into something that isn’t making profit targets.  That’s what it’s all about after all.

If you want to see the game get VR support, support the game.  By bad-mouthing it all over the Internet, you are effectively damaging your chances of ever having the very thing that you want!

Wish the guys well and be patient.  Some day, all your dreams will come true!  B
well, define what you mean with support. i personally never said that i dont want this game to succeed. i support its development. but i wont buy it until it offers the stuff it needs before i can enjoy it. for some of us vr is as important as wheel support. you have to see it like this. would you buy the game if it had only keyboard support without knowing if it would ever get wheel/gamepad support? thats how important vr is for me personally. i simply cant enjoy any racing sim without vr support anymore so it doesnt make sense to spend money on it. why would i buy something i simply woudlnt even be playing a single minute? every single minute i would spend with dr2 on a screen i could spend in any other sim of choice with vr and have a way more enjoyable time. you wouldnt drive dr2 with a keyboard when you had the choice of dr1, dirt4, iracing rallycross, rbr or whatever with proper wheelsupport and ffb right? thats how important it is for me.

saying that we dont buy it without vr is not badmouthing. its just giving our opinion.
You've already made that argument, and we've already said we don't mind playing it without a wheel.
Let's take a look at Dakar, the wheel support is pretty bad, and they've had 2 patches in the last week, and it's still terrible, but people will still play it with a controller. I also have a pretty good feeling that much like every CM title it doesn't really support multi-monitor.

How is saying "We're not buying this." supportive?


there are many different boxes that need to be ticked for me personally before i consider buying it. and one of those in my case its proper peripheral support. be it wheel, pedals, anaologue handbrake, clutch, hpattern shifter, vr headset. all these things are vital for me to enjoy it. (besides good physics, great stages etc)

i honestly dont undestand why i should support something financially that would be in a state that i simply wouldnt enjoy. where is the logic in that? i buy something if its worth my money. and without all the listed features it simply isnt worth my money in my opinion. i dont perorder anything and i dont buy on promises. i buy things that are worth my money.

and if codemasters specifically asks the community what they want them to work on after the release, and if they specifically ask how their potential customers think about vr support then we do exaclty what they asked as. tell them how we think about it. you guys are free to say you dont need it, we are free to say we need it.

we are not saying "we are not buying this" we are saying "we are not buying this if it doesnt support what we need in order to enjoy it". who the buys stuff he doesnt enjoy? we are consumers/customers and not a charity.

Suit yourself then. I buy games because they're fun, not to justify my $600 peripheries. Sure, I've got a wheel, pedals, h-pattern, analog handbrake, surround sound, and triple screens, but I'll still play Burnout Paradise on a single monitor, in stereo, with a controller, because it's fun. Game doesn't even have FOV or an interior view. Same with countless other titles, I asked on the Firewatch Reddit how to lower the FOV so I can play on triple screens without throwing up and a dev just said "We never thought anybody would do that." So I played in single screen.
Conversely, I don't play games even if they support all that if I don't find them fun. What does your game list consist of? Because the only thing I can think of that matches that ludicrous list of demands is AC, the separate DR VR thing, Pcars and... uh... iRacing and LFS maybe? Does Raceroom do VR?

Do you like... not play anything other than racing sims? Or... not use your PC for anything other than VR and racing sims? I'm just kind of curious. I'm envisioning trying to use Microsoft Word and just being like "****! This crappy software doesn't support my analog handbrake!"

As an aside, you clearly just stated you're not buying the productwhich also makes you not a consumer nor a customer. You're perfectly within your rights to not purchase something, but don't pretend that you're a customer if you... didn't buy the thing... That's like... going to a restaurant and being upset that I got served the wrong thing when I didn't pay for anything.... and it's the wrong type of restaurant... I just don't understand the "logic."
I’m just imagining you sat at in your rig typing on a keyboard and trying to pull the handbrake to put in a comma and getting angry that it’s not supported
Yeah, the internet browsers are also SUPER not optimized for triple screens, what is this? 1996?
I mean, come on, using a handbrake for commas is scientifically the fastest method of typing.  Once I get the go faster stripes painted I'll be able to do 1,000 words per minute.

Actually I'm really kind of butthurt that Win7 supports multiple monitors so poorly. XD There's the snapping thing, which works for full screening on each monitor, but going to the edges to do the side by side split, it actually just does 1 split on the left side for half of that monitor, and 1 split on the right side for half of that monitor, so there's a full 2 monitors of empty space in the middle I can't actually utilize. XD It's super dumb.
Win10 supports multi-monitors, but I still don't think I like it.
MTOJay said:
i enjoy the occasional arcade game on a monitor myself. trackmania for example. i dont see dirt rally as an arcade title though.  and yeah i agree, of course a title needs to be fun and encouraging. thats the thing though, thats where dirt rally expelled. it was a pleasure to drive. but only in vr for me. i think most agree that after so many hours of dirt rally the stages get pale. there is difference between trackracing against other cars and always driving the same stages over and over again on your own. after a few hundred hours it gets boring. thats why i had high hopes and was immensly hyped when dirt rally 2 was announced.
Well then maybe DR2.0 isn't for you either. Other than physics and locale it's pretty much the same game, and if that isn't enough to excite you like it has all of us, and you just "Don't enjoy the game otherwise" then there's nothing "new" here for you. Personally I find most of those other games boring and lifeless, other than maybe R3E which has a appalling payment scheme that people have been saying they've needed to sort out for years. My biggest problem with PC sim games is twofold, 1. The AI usually sucks or is nonexistent, 2. I don't much care about GT, F1, or even hyper/supercars. I've always been more interested in road cars, which is apparently an incredibly small market on PC. I could go off the rails and talk about how I don't scream about it all over the internet, make reddit posts, flood comment sections, set up a change.org poll, or threaten anything... but I won't.

I also find it odd that you bought a handbrake for DR when... all of those other games support them.

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