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2 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

Anyone else in Tomorrowland having this issue?

 

Steam DLC should be available for everyone now by the way.

 

I'm in the UK and have the same issue on Steam, they show as purchasable but aren't in my library 

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Nah, there isn't. 😥

The "official" livery of the 037 is the Wurth one shown in screenshots, which I think is the same car they sampled the audio from. Kinda odd that they decided to "hide" the Rothmans livery despite not having the branding, even the mere color scheme is considered politically incorrect now? 🤔

In moments like this I wish Codies made the DLC cars moddable. The Porsche needs the word Rothmans in it, and the 037 needs Martini colors. Still, this is the best pair of cars released yet IMHO.

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I do like the Rothmans-based livery on the 911 and the Würth one on the 037 but I still don't know why they can't add more authentic(-like) liveries. The other liveries in general are of poor quality when it comes to looking like a proper rally livery.

There was 037 with the Esso (camouflage) livery like the one on the Delta S4, an OliovsFiat-livery like the one on the 131 Abarth and several more.

The same goes for the 911 SC RS and there are still several running in historic rallying which look nice.

 

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24 minutes ago, SimVansevenant said:

I do like the Rothmans-based livery on the 911 and the Würth one on the 037 but I still don't know why they can't add more authentic(-like) liveries. The other liveries in general are of poor quality when it comes to looking like a proper rally livery.

There was 037 with the Esso (camouflage) livery like the one on the Delta S4, an OliovsFiat-livery like the one on the 131 Abarth and several more.

The same goes for the 911 SC RS and there are still several running in historic rallying which look nice.

 

I totally agree with you, there was a lot fictitious liveries in dirt rally 1 and they looked awesome, the mk 2 escorts ones spring to mind, I can’t understand why they couldn’t make up new liveries, even when the black and white liveries were added, they had the numbers in black on the doors, I have never in all my years watching and being involved in rallying seen numbers done that way🙈🤦🏻‍♂️🤔

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Well I guess some people like to race with plain textured cars.

What bothers me so much is this game's way of handling modded liveries. Back in DR1 it was a bit more difficult to install liveries, and you had to know which modded livery replaced each default livery since you couldn't replace the previews. But you could still replace everything and have every car full of the iconic skins you want. Here in DR2, they are easier to install with the folder method, but only one or two slots per car are moddable and the DLC cars are locked away. I would gladly go back to the way it was handled in DR1 if that means more variety of custom skins.

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Plain liveries are perfectly fine but iam talking about the black background with white numbers on the doors, it doesn’t look right on a plain white car, it should be the same as the plain black livery with a white background and black number on the door, it’s just some of the little things in this game at times really bug me

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Interesting to see the that white/blue classic livery on the Porsche. Could ofcourse do with Porsche licensing. Porsche also raced with a similar livery last year at the 24 hours of LeMans. So maybe they are a bit easier with approving this kind of liveries. 

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Maybe Martini or Ford or Lancia doesn't want to have that. Even the official Ford liveries weren't in DiRT 4, except for a McRae livery on the 2001 Focus. Could be that Ford doesn't want to promote to much their history. While Porsche really like to show their heritage. They also raced this year with Brumos and Champion racing classic designs with their North America team. Though Ford did kinda do retro Ford GT designs this year at LeMans. So it seems they are not completly against it.

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4 hours ago, Mike Dee said:

Honestly, if they just removed the giant "+" sign on them, they'd immediately start looking better. Not fixed, but better. the D2 is corny, but some of the liveries aren't terrible until you see the giant promo branding.

Yeah, 100% agree with this: I think several of the liveries would be vastly improved by this little tweak. 

Just tried the latest arrivals out. The 037 seems way more predictable than before: and an absolute missile on tarmac! 

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1 hour ago, tonzboher said:

Who the hell thought that black with white numbers on the plain white liveries looked well, just awful🤮

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I would rather just have a plain white car with the number in the rear window. I am still glad the plain liveries have been added though, they are my first choice for a number of cars now. 

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6 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah, 100% agree with this: I think several of the liveries would be vastly improved by this little tweak. 

Just tried the latest arrivals out. The 037 seems way more predictable than before: and an absolute missile on tarmac! 

Gave them a quick run this morning and I have to say, I had to double check if my throttle pedal gave 100%, the 037 almost felt tame on gravel compared to before. 

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20 minutes ago, bogani said:

Gave them a quick run this morning and I have to say, I had to double check if my throttle pedal gave 100%, the 037 almost felt tame on gravel compared to before. 

It doesn't feel as lethal as before, but I broke my previous stage times on the first run with it. 

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And what also is a pity is on the official liveries for some cars that are in the game your name and your number does not appear on the car when using it, surely that’s only a little thing that can be tweaked, would be a nice addition as you would feel like a works driver with your name and number on the works liveries 😁

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48 minutes ago, tonzboher said:

And what also is a pity is on the official liveries for some cars that are in the game your name and your number does not appear on the car when using it, surely that’s only a little thing that can be tweaked, would be a nice addition as you would feel like a works driver with your name and number on the works liveries 😁

Hi!

Due to licensing issues we are unable to put the players names on the licensed/real liveries.

Thanks

Matt

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Hello!

Any chance to get future liveries like this? Same as Rothmans logic, censoring some stuff but keeping the color scheme.

Resultado de imagem para colin mcrae rally ios ford

 

I linked the 1999 Focus because that's the car you used in the iOS game. But the same thing would be applied to the upcoming Focus 2001 with the red/blue livery. Maybe Telefonica and Movistar would go easy on the licensing for the blue part. And just place the Ford logo where the Martini is, to keep consistency.

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And if you manage to get Martini's and Telefonica/Movistar approval, you can bring the 3/4 livery variants from 1999-2002, as they rely on the same sponsors. That would surely make for some good Deluxe liveries.

 

Imagem relacionadaResultado de imagem para focus 2002 wrc

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@Riggs If they introduce that 2002 focus livery then I will probably cry tears of joy and drive nothing else for the rest of my time on DR2.0

This car was the car of my childhood. Colin vs Carlos, the best days of WRC. I spent so much time on Colin McRae Rally 2.0 just because of this car. I had remote controlled models, model kits, posters, magazines... I may have been a little obsessed, upon reflection. (Funny that I was actually a Burns and Gronholm fan, though).

Please please please CM, make this happen.

 

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14 hours ago, tonzboher said:

Its doesn’t bother me that rothmans isn’t on the Porsche, the colours are enough 😁😁

My thoughts exactly! So pleased to see the Porsche in those colours, I thought the multi-colour livery (from the early shots) was going to be the "real" livery for that car. 

The Wurth livery isn't that great, but at least it is a genuine scheme for the 037.

And I fully agree with the comments concerning the Focus. Would be amazing if they could do something similar with the Martini livery!

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3 hours ago, Riggs said:

Hello!

Any chance to get future liveries like this? Same as Rothmans logic, censoring some stuff but keeping the color scheme.

Resultado de imagem para colin mcrae rally ios ford

 

I linked the 1999 Focus because that's the car you used in the iOS game. But the same thing would be applied to the upcoming Focus 2001 with the red/blue livery. Maybe Telefonica and Movistar would go easy on the licensing for the blue part. And just place the Ford logo where the Martini is, to keep consistency.

Resultado de imagem para ford focus 2001 wrcResultado de imagem para ford focus 2001 wrc

And if you manage to get Martini's and Telefonica/Movistar approval, you can bring the 3/4 livery variants from 1999-2002, as they rely on the same sponsors. That would surely make for some good Deluxe liveries.

 

Imagem relacionadaResultado de imagem para focus 2002 wrc

When the devs respond very quickly to the below post, but never respond to your suggestion it worries me that it’s a non starter.

it’s a bit like when ppl make requests for cars. Someone asked for the ibiza and 306 f2 cars from dirt rally 1, and they got a wink emoji back from Christina. But when people mention other cars (206, legacy, late 90’s impreza etc) there is never a response from codies.

 

i’m just trying to read between the lines go figure out what future content is likely and what isn’t haha

4 hours ago, tonzboher said:

And what also is a pity is on the official liveries for some cars that are in the game your name and your number does not appear on the car when using it, surely that’s only a little thing that can be tweaked, would be a nice addition as you would feel like a works driver with your name and number on the works liveries 😁

 

3 hours ago, matthewhorsman said:

Hi!

Due to licensing issues we are unable to put the players names on the licensed/real liveries.

Thanks

Matt

 

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16 hours ago, NicoGTAF said:

Nah, there isn't. 😥

The "official" livery of the 037 is the Wurth one shown in screenshots, which I think is the same car they sampled the audio from. Kinda odd that they decided to "hide" the Rothmans livery despite not having the branding, even the mere color scheme is considered politically incorrect now? 🤔

In moments like this I wish Codies made the DLC cars moddable. The Porsche needs the word Rothmans in it, and the 037 needs Martini colors. Still, this is the best pair of cars released yet IMHO.

It's interesting that in the Forza games (Motorsport and Horizon) you can have any official livery there ever was using the editor or downloading someone else's. What happens with the licensing there? 

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39 minutes ago, cafe5150 said:

It's interesting that in the Forza games (Motorsport and Horizon) you can have any official livery there ever was using the editor or downloading someone else's. What happens with the licensing there? 

I imagine that falls under the same category as downloading a mod from RaceDepartment and adding it to your game files? Although it's slightly different as in Forza it's offered in game, but I don't think that's the intended use of the livery creator, I dunno

Interesting

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Btw the fake liveries can look ok or even cool in DiRT Rally 2.0 if they do some effort in it (and not look at the numberplates 😛 )

Ohlins Impreza (i think is also on a RX2) is one of the liveries i really.
Afbeeldingsresultaat voor Ohlins impreza DiRT Rally 2.0

Also this Focus 2007 lviery is quite ok (also the only normal livery, and was also already in D4):

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Also the Snap-On black/orange livery is quite cool. Same design as the Ohlins, but with a different touch:
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Also this Pug Rx livery is ok 
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Thrustmaster livery (I also think is on a few others)
Afbeeldingsresultaat voor DiRT Rally 2.0 thrustmaster livery

And some nice R5
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Overall there are some ok fictional liveries, but there are more crappy plain liveries compared to the few ok fictional liveries. 

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, JorritVD said:

Forza (or Gran Turismo) have a much bigger budget. They maybe pay a lot extra for the license to make it able to do complete different graphics on the car. 

It has nothing to do with licensing as tobacco and alcohol decals abound in GT Sport. I have scoured the documentation looking for clues as to how it's handled but all I can find is a warning that illegal and offensive decals will be removed. And from experience I know this to be true. PD is active in removing offensive content. However, real-world stuff like old liveries with tobacco and alcohol are never taken down. It must have something to do with the fact that they are user-made and falls into "Any depiction or recreation of real world locations, entities, businesses, or organizations is not intended to be or imply any sponsorship or endorsement of this game by such party or parties. " Just look at some of these examples. There's even some Codies-themed stuff there:

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Regarding liveries, I’m not going to talk fine detail about licensing here, but user-generated content and official content are two different things. Also, who knows what kind of agreements there are between Microsoft/Sony and the license-holders; they may very well be different to what we have at Codemasters and I’m not going to be the one to make a guess here.

 

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I honestly really don't mind fictional liveries but I do expect some quality designed liveries and not liveries that take half an hour each to create. Liveries are important for me personally and for quite a few others as well. I don't drive cars with poor quality liveries and only pick those with official liveries in one way or another which is usually the first one for most. Or I use one of my own creations or one of another content creator.

As is mentioned before, user generated liveries are unofficial so in a way allowed. However, game devs are not allowed to put those tobacco and liquor brands on the cars for legal reasons. That's legislation for you. I do wonder if there are exceptions such as the iconic liveries. You still see those brands on rally cars in historic rallying or liveries based on some of those brand's colour scheme.

Most of these examples are from the Ypres Historic Rally 2019:

1. Bastos-livery where the Bastos-logo isn't altered.

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2. Bastos-livery where the O is changed to a Q.

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3. Belga-livery where Belga is replaced by Markey.rba_233.thumb.jpg.50568691daed93b16efc3cd89beb4ab4.jpg

Livery based on the Martini colour scheme.

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I just don't get the livery thing. How can you get all official liverys ect in Asseto Corsa official or mods when the company

was very small. If we are allowed mod ones then let the modders do their stuff like in Dirt Rally. This could kill the game

for a lot of people. The game is brilliant but this livery thing is spoiling it. Fingers crossed this gets sorted soon.

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Well, what can I say? Codies, you've outdone yourselves once again. Amazing job on the Porsche and the Lancia, I was really looking forward to these cars finally coming to the game, and what an amazing class the Group B RWD has become. One of my favorites for sure. So much fun, bravo! 👏 😍

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Il 1/7/2019 alle 19:52, l'ianismo ha detto:

Quando ho comprato il Deluxe ho letteralmente pensato che stavo ottenendo livree con licenza extra.

quello di Armstrong è bello. così è quello verde (# 3).

il blu e il bianco (4) è ok.

il resto è terribile

PS, la 911 e la 037 sono in gioco ora. 911 suona AMAAAAAZING

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really a great job, fabulous sound. as the real counterpart. I follow the historic European championship a lot. it's a beautiful new entry, I was also looking forward to the Lancia 037

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10 hours ago, SimVansevenant said:

Sinceramente non mi importa delle livree inventate, ma mi aspetto delle livree dal design di qualità e non delle livree che impiegano mezz'ora ciascuna per creare. Livree sono importanti per me personalmente e per molti altri. Non guido le auto con livree di scarsa qualità e scelgo quelle con le livree ufficiali in un modo o nell'altro che di solito è il primo per la maggior parte. Oppure uso una delle mie creazioni o un'altra persona che crea contenuti.

Vieni accennato in precedenza, le livree generate dagli utenti non sono ufficiali, quindi in un modo consentito. Tuttavia, gli sviluppatori di giochi non sono autorizzati a vendere le marche di tabacco e liquori sulle auto legali. Questo è la sicurezza per te. Mi chiedo se ci sono eccezioni come le livree iconiche. Si vedono ancora quei marchi sulle auto da rally nei rally storici o nelle case su alcuni dei colori della marca.

La maggior parte di questi esempi proviene da Ypres Historic Rally 2019:

1. Livrea Bastos in cui il logo Bastos non è alterato.

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2. Livrea Bastos dove si è cambiata in una Q.

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3. Livrea Belga in cui Belga viene sostituita da Markey.rba_233.thumb.jpg.50568691daed93b16efc3cd89beb4ab4.jpg

Livrea riguarda sulla combinazione di colori Martini.

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'2019 037 livery by Batistolli junior (son of Lucky)

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11 hours ago, SimVansevenant said:

I honestly really don't mind fictional liveries but I do expect some quality designed liveries and not liveries that take half an hour each to create. Liveries are important for me personally and for quite a few others as well. I don't drive cars with poor quality liveries and only pick those with official liveries in one way or another which is usually the first one for most. Or I use one of my own creations or one of another content creator.

As is mentioned before, user generated liveries are unofficial so in a way allowed. However, game devs are not allowed to put those tobacco and liquor brands on the cars for legal reasons. That's legislation for you. I do wonder if there are exceptions such as the iconic liveries. You still see those brands on rally cars in historic rallying or liveries based on some of those brand's colour scheme.

Most of these examples are from the Ypres Historic Rally 2019:

1. Bastos-livery where the Bastos-logo isn't altered.

RL_120190604134727.thumb.jpg.5a73f77b473d86bac3ec6deb64449676.jpg

2. Bastos-livery where the O is changed to a Q.

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3. Belga-livery where Belga is replaced by Markey.rba_233.thumb.jpg.50568691daed93b16efc3cd89beb4ab4.jpg

Livery based on the Martini colour scheme.

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Half an hour is an overkill, with D4's livery editor it would take a lot less to make them... In half an hour I could manage to do better liveries back then, and I remember someone created a whole three-pages PDF with awesome liveries for the Fiesta R5 all created with the same editor

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1 hour ago, carpa said:

Half an hour is an overkill, with D4's livery editor it would take a lot less to make them... In half an hour I could manage to do better liveries back then, and I remember someone created a whole three-pages PDF with awesome liveries for the Fiesta R5 all created with the same editor

I'd suggest that it probably took them a long time to get the liveries set up in the Dirt 4 livery editor - could be wrong, but that probably took more work than designing the liveries flat for Codemasters.

 

That said, having realised how ACC is doing the same 'templated' livery editor, I could be wrong on that front. Starting to get to the point where I add 'Dirt 4 style livery editor' to my DR2 wishlist...

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2 hours ago, RodgerDavies said:

I'd suggest that it probably took them a long time to get the liveries set up in the Dirt 4 livery editor - could be wrong, but that probably took more work than designing the liveries flat for Codemasters.

That said, having realised how ACC is doing the same 'templated' livery editor, I could be wrong on that front. Starting to get to the point where I add 'Dirt 4 style livery editor' to my DR2 wishlist...

The DiRT 4 style editor was pretty ok. Though it was very limited. 

Although i don't have F1 2019, it seems a step forward from (although it is all on one and the same car).

Hoonigan / Bakkerud ?
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I think DiRT 4 lacked of variations in patterns. But if you make the combination of DiRT 4 and the F1 2019 editor, i think you have quite a good editor (although completly free like in Gran Turismo, Forza, iRacing, rFactor, etc will still be better)

But I think if go for the D4/F12019 editor, than need:
- a lot of different variations of design lay-outs/patters
- can choose for different color style/patterns, but also type of color style like chrome, flat, matte, standard, etc.
- can choose for real and fake logos

Ofcourse this is also all free play / online / my team.

For career i would do it different, because as in real the colors depends on your sponsor contract. That's why i also think Career should have been totally different. But for how the concept of how DR2.0 now is, i think a D4/F12019 stule of editor would be a good addition.

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53 minutes ago, Riggs said:

Or avoid wasting more time on that and just unlock the liveries. Work on rallies, stages and cars instead.

I dunno, I would like a livery editor like D4's (but with more patterns) – I don't have the artistic skills to make nice custom liveries from scratch, so a template-based system like D4's suits me much better.

That said, I still would like it if they allowed us to use custom liveries on DLC cars like they do for base ones.

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2 minutes ago, caerphoto said:

I dunno, I would like a livery editor like D4's (but with more patterns) – I don't have the artistic skills to make nice custom liveries from scratch, so a template-based system like D4's suits me much better.

That said, I still would like it if they allowed us to use custom liveries on DLC cars like they do for base ones.

Well like on other platforms you can use others their paints if your skills are not good enough.
F.e. for iRacing there is a full community/platform for it:
https://www.tradingpaints.com/showroom/filter/from=everyone,sort=popular,ad=DESC,search=subaru,pos=0
https://www.tradingpaints.com/showroom/filter/from=everyone,sort=popular,ad=DESC,search=Beetle,pos=48

Even interesting is that the iRacing put the numberplates/numbers automatically on it. So the GRC numberplates and numbers have been put automatically on it. So everyone races with the same numberplate, which makes it more realistic looking. Next to that I can understand that if somethings is organised or sponsored by a partner from Codemasters, you could use part of the numberplate for promotional material. So if f.e. Thrustmaster is the sponsor of a official DiRT rally championship, it could come automatically on the numberplate. But maybe also the sindscreen banner can be used for this. In WRC maybe the name of the driver will be put on, but maybe on a rallycar the Thrustmaster name will be showen. So a nice way for giving the sponsor promotion. 

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