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The weekly event Group B in Scotland: was the hardcore damage on? My car was permanently damaged. (Because in online events is always set to OFF, regardless of what I set for SP)

I think it's good to have it ON all the time. For everyone, of course, in fairness.

 

In Poland I had a night race R5 in heavy rain. It was much too dark there, the headlights are too weak. When I watched the replay and tried cockpit view, I couldn't see anything at all. The harsh darkness is not realistic (headlights) and the rain effect on the windshield is also slightly exaggerated.

Have a look at the side windows before the start, unrealistic, opaque like the glass of a shower cabin. Everyone can test this in his car in heavy rain, take a look through the side window, and he will certainly see more than in Dirt Rally 2

I like rainy day rides. At night, however, the clouds already make everything darker, and if it still rains, you can't see anything. But no Problem for the AI.

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4 hours ago, PJTierney said:

Being nominated is its own reward and a testament to the hard work and passion everybody at Codemasters put into creating and supporting the game. 🙂 

Let's not forget that hundreds of games are released by UK studios every year, and fewer than 10 were on the shortlist. Not even F1 2019 (which was in my opinion the best F1 game ever made) was on that.

Yeah, there is that I suppose. You guys do deserve props for that at least.

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From the Dirt club thread when users complained about the events being an entire month each

2 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

There are reasons for the length which I won't go into here, bear in mind the last event ran for 6 months.

Besides, there may be plenty of other things to keep you occupied in the intervening weeks 😉 

Let the gossip begin

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3 hours ago, PaulNbg said:

The weekly event Group B in Scotland: was the hardcore damage on? My car was permanently damaged. (Because in online events is always set to OFF, regardless of what I set for SP)

I think it's good to have it ON all the time. For everyone, of course, in fairness.

 

In Poland I had a night race R5 in heavy rain. It was much too dark there, the headlights are too weak. When I watched the replay and tried cockpit view, I couldn't see anything at all. The harsh darkness is not realistic (headlights) and the rain effect on the windshield is also slightly exaggerated.

Have a look at the side windows before the start, unrealistic, opaque like the glass of a shower cabin. Everyone can test this in his car in heavy rain, take a look through the side window, and he will certainly see more than in Dirt Rally 2

I like rainy day rides. At night, however, the clouds already make everything darker, and if it still rains, you can't see anything. But no Problem for the AI.

 
I am absolutely certain that hardcore damage is never activated at online events
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11 minutes ago, somethingthing said:

From the Dirt club thread when users complained about the events being an entire month each

Let the gossip begin

You're quick to catch on 😉 

 

Also, from yesterday's blog: http://blog.codemasters.com/community/04/codies-racing-line-april-2-2020/

 

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With FLAT OUT (and the Game of the Year Edition, which contains all of the game’s content in one single package) out in the wild, what’s next for DiRT Rally 2.0? 

The first thing to point out is that content-wise, the game is essentially complete, so if you get the Game of the Year Edition you’re all set.  

Our development team is now focusing on the future of rally, but that doesn’t mean we’re done with DiRT Rally 2.0 just yet, as we’ve got various activities planned to keep you busy throughout 2020.

 

And also the GOTY announce: https://www.codemasters.com/dr2_goty_announce/

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“After twelve months of working with our community and improving DiRT Rally 2.0, it’s great to have one complete package for both existing fans and new players to the franchise,” said Ross Gowing, DiRT Rally 2.0 Game Director at Codemasters.

“Adding the Colin McRae: FLAT OUT Pack is the icing on the cake and the perfect way for the team to close the DiRT Rally 2.0 chapter and focus on the future of rally.”

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, PJTierney said:

Not even F1 2019 (which was in my opinion the best F1 game ever made) was on that.

Really?
Bought the Legends Edition on release, played a few hours and was heavily disappointed about the sound bug on some of the classic cars and therefore stopped playing it enirely.
Can't really comment on the rest of the game, because I was mainly interested in the classic content, but that was a huge downer for me.

Maybe it got fixed since then, but I doubt it.

5 hours ago, PJTierney said:

You're quick to catch on 😉 

Also, from yesterday's blog: http://blog.codemasters.com/community/04/codies-racing-line-april-2-2020/

And also the GOTY announce: https://www.codemasters.com/dr2_goty_announce/

It's really let me think there is something happening in around a year.
Maybe the announcement of DiRT 5 or DiRT Rally 3.
Maybe even launch of one of them, because that would be more than 2 years after the launch of DR 2.0.
Hmmm...gossip, I can smell it 🤤

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16 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah, I was surprised as well. I daresay awards change very little, but it would have been nice to have seen a game I consider to be very good receive some recognition. 

I hope DR2.0 appearing on PS Plus next month at least wins a few more fans over. 

Outer Wilds is fantastic though...

 

15 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

I'm not surprised. Outer Wilds has that annoying Portland Oregon beanie wearing eco hipster craft beer kind of vibe. Found it really annoying, hence it's not a surprise that arts bureacrats saw fit to give it an award.

They would have seen DR2.0 as 'just another racing game' without any appreciation of what a watershed moment it truly is in playable simulations.

Wow. Sounds like you didn't even play it.

It's really not though. All things considered, it's just an iteration upon the previous title. And holy ****, you guys expect a racing game to get "Best Game?" Are you nuts? You'll complain about Outer Wilds, an expansive space exploration game with unique physics based world and puzzles and a non-linear story with multiple endings over freaking "Untitled Goose Game?"

What's wrong in the world?

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On 4/4/2020 at 12:11 PM, JZStudios said:

Outer Wilds is fantastic though...

 

Wow. Sounds like you didn't even play it.

It's really not though. All things considered, it's just an iteration upon the previous title. And holy ****, you guys expect a racing game to get "Best Game?" Are you nuts? You'll complain about Outer Wilds, an expansive space exploration game with unique physics based world and puzzles and a non-linear story with multiple endings over freaking "Untitled Goose Game?"

What's wrong in the world?

😄😄

I didn't see the award winners tbh, and yes I played Untitled goose game. If that won an award then my cynicism is vindicated. Even if I was wrong about Outer Wilds! 

I did play Outer Wilds btw, but perhaps not for long enough. Tell me, what did Outer Wilds accomplish that No Man's Sky did not, such that the latter did not win any equivalent award? 

 

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On 4/4/2020 at 12:11 PM, JZStudios said:

And holy ****, you guys expect a racing game to get "Best Game?" Are you nuts?

And why not? Why the heck not? It's the same type of ideology that says a simulation game can never deserve 'best game', that also says a genre movie should never be 'Best Picture'. EG The Dark Knight, or 2001 A Space Odyssey.

I don't believe DR2.0 is merely 'another iteration'. It's a watershed. I really do stand by that. DR1 had floaty, finicky physics. DR2.0 nailed it all down, and unlike RBR which was the only other rally game to have believable physics, it is playable with a controller. This may not mean much to sim-heads with racing wheel set-ups, but for us plebs who only use a controller but love rally gaming, it's huge. And it's been done against the commercial tide that always said realistic rallying was commercially verboten.

 

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Time to upgrade to a wheel then. I've said this before, it'll be a game changer. Thrustmaster is discounting their stuff, Logitech is a good wheel too and not too expensive. You will not regret it, I promise. 

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quick question about Clubs from someone who's never done them before. the official Dirt club has several events with each class. If I pick a car to use in Scotland, am I stuck with it for every Group A event, or do you choose a car every event, regardless of which class it's being run with?

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23 minutes ago, ianism said:

quick question about Clubs from someone who's never done them before. the official Dirt club has several events with each class. If I pick a car to use in Scotland, am I stuck with it for every Group A event, or do you choose a car every event, regardless of which class it's being run with?

Some clubs have a rule that you should use the same car everytime but those are rare in my experience. Welcome to the world of clubs! Imo they are more fun than dailys and weeklies!

barrel rollers on Discord has a lot of clubs you can join with both really fast, average and slower drivers! Pretty good participation in most of them too!

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Nobody needs medium tires. And above all, nobody needs hard tires.

In the setup, medium tyres are always recommended and pre-selected by the game. What sense does that make?
Every time I have to select softest one again.
 

And why do some write "tires" and others "tyres" instead?

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3 hours ago, ianism said:

quick question about Clubs from someone who's never done them before. the official Dirt club has several events with each class. If I pick a car to use in Scotland, am I stuck with it for every Group A event, or do you choose a car every event, regardless of which class it's being run with?

No rule coded in that locks you to a car for a whole season.

Some clubs have "house rules" where they recommend you stay in the same car.

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22 hours ago, PaulNbg said:

And why do some write "tires" and others "tyres" instead?

tire is north american spelling

tyre is generally used in the rest of the English-speaking world

for virtually all other spellings and other differences between the two types of English, Canada follows UK English. it just follows the US in this case because tires are a product and it would be incredibly confusing if they had two spellings. ovens here are also in Farenheit even though the country uses Celsius.

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23 hours ago, PaulNbg said:

Nobody needs medium tires. And above all, nobody needs hard tires.

In the setup, medium tyres are always recommended and pre-selected by the game. What sense does that make?
Every time I have to select softest one again.

To drive you crazy.
It's a passion for developers, to get their customers as crazy as they can do.

Really, it is not a big deal to put softs/no spare on the car.
It literally takes seconds and it's part of the game to select your preferences (in my point of view).

And there are situations, were mediums and a spare (or even 2) are a good option.
Never used hard tyres/tires/reifen/these black things though, but you could create a loooong club event without service areas. Or a championship in custom championship. 12 stages in a row without service area. Their must be a tyre/tire/reifen/these black thing for that.

46 minutes ago, ianism said:

tire is north american spelling

tyre is generally used in the rest of the English-speaking world

for virtually all other spellings and other differences between the two types of English, Canada follows UK English. it just follows the US in this case because tires are a product and it would be incredibly confusing if they had two spellings. ovens here are also in Farenheit even though the country uses Celsius.

Both are just wrong.
The correct spelling is teier 😀

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1 hour ago, ianism said:

tire is north american spelling

tyre is generally used in the rest of the English-speaking world

for virtually all other spellings and other differences between the two types of English, Canada follows UK English. it just follows the US in this case because tires are a product and it would be incredibly confusing if they had two spellings. ovens here are also in Farenheit even though the country uses Celsius.

Tyre is British English

Tire is wrong 😄 

 

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On 4/5/2020 at 2:38 AM, Jake Cushing said:

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I didn't see the award winners tbh, and yes I played Untitled goose game. If that won an award then my cynicism is vindicated. Even if I was wrong about Outer Wilds! 

I did play Outer Wilds btw, but perhaps not for long enough. Tell me, what did Outer Wilds accomplish that No Man's Sky did not, such that the latter did not win any equivalent award? 

Outer Wilds has an expansive non-linear story that you discover on your own at your own pace for one. No Man's Sky has no point, and also has far fewer physical properties or puzzles. No Man's Sky is more akin to a "survival" game like Minecraft, especially with the more "recent" building additions.

Outer Wilds is more like Kerbal Space Program if it had a deep story and interesting planetary mechanics.

On 4/5/2020 at 5:27 AM, Jake Cushing said:

And why not? Why the heck not? It's the same type of ideology that says a simulation game can never deserve 'best game', that also says a genre movie should never be 'Best Picture'. EG The Dark Knight, or 2001 A Space Odyssey.

I don't believe DR2.0 is merely 'another iteration'. It's a watershed. I really do stand by that. DR1 had floaty, finicky physics. DR2.0 nailed it all down, and unlike RBR which was the only other rally game to have believable physics, it is playable with a controller. This may not mean much to sim-heads with racing wheel set-ups, but for us plebs who only use a controller but love rally gaming, it's huge. And it's been done against the commercial tide that always said realistic rallying was commercially verboten.

Yeah, a slasher/teen horror flick should never win "Best Picture." You quote an overly awarded action blockbuster and an at the time marvel of film making and special effects, though it's incredibly boring by today's standards, but it's still big in cultural influence.

 

Great. It's not a life-changing experience nor a must play though. How has the game actually impacted you, made you think about certain choices, question ideologies or morals, or have any semblance of something you'd actively remember after the next in the series comes out? How does Untitled Goose game do any of that?

I also disagree about the physics. It's not particularly realistic and I've uninstalled the game months ago. It's also far from the only game to have decent controller support, and RBR came out on PS2, so...

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8 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Outer Wilds has an expansive non-linear story that you discover on your own at your own pace for one. No Man's Sky has no point, and also has far fewer physical properties or puzzles. No Man's Sky is more akin to a "survival" game like Minecraft, especially with the more "recent" building additions.

NMS had a non-linear story that you discover at your own pace. But anyhow, NMS missing nominations (unjustly in my opinion) does not render a different game unworthy.

8 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Yeah, a slasher/teen horror flick should never win "Best Picture." You quote an overly awarded action blockbuster and an at the time marvel of film making and special effects, though it's incredibly boring by today's standards, but it's still big in cultural influence.

Citizen Kane and Vertigo were overly awarded melodramas. Chinatown was an overly awarded mystery-noir. And they're incredibly boring by today's standards. (sarc)

The idea that a simulator can not by default win a 'best game' award is seriously misguided. Cinema has no player agency, so art takes precedence for its merit. Games on the other hand feature player agency. Art is one measure of a games' success, but has no relevance to a game that strives to give the player an out-of-body experience. The latter can still make for a truly great game, whereas a movie that is merely a camera placed in a rally car does not make a great film.

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6 hours ago, gleylancer571 said:

In the vehicle description of the Fiat 131 is missing that Walter Röhrl became world champion

the game is not licensed to use his name. if you notice in the Colin McRae section, it says things like "Swedish teammate" and "Finnish/Spanish rival" to mean Kenneth Eriksson, Carlos Sainz and Tommi Mäkinen.

2 hours ago, gleylancer571 said:
I hope that as many people as possible buy the DLCs, maybe there will be more DLCs events Anyway, you should keep 16

I'm planning on getting it for PS4, along with several friends of mine (who are German). I'll probably get the Year Pass too, it's only C$27 and I can play online with them.

I probably can't download it though, as the monthly limit in the place I am staying for the lockdown is just 125GB 😂😭

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3 hours ago, PJTierney said:

With many new players coming in thanks to PlayStation, the dev team have added a bunch of Bonus Events so that everybody can sample the DLC content 🙂 

What about the Hyundai @PJTierney? Will everyone get to sample that? 

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1 hour ago, ianism said:

the game is not licensed to use his name. if you notice in the Colin McRae section, it says things like "Swedish teammate" and "Finnish/Spanish rival" to mean Kenneth Eriksson, Carlos Sainz and Tommi Mäkinen. 

 

 
That is not completly correct
In the text by Opel Ascona, Röhrl's second World Cup title with the Ascona is mentioned
And on Audi Group B there is also W. Roehrl and the right co-driver
The Fiat is his only car where his name is not mentioned
the Liverie and the start number are those of Röhrls Auto
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4 hours ago, PJTierney said:

With many new players coming in thanks to PlayStation, the dev team have added a bunch of Bonus Events so that everybody can sample the DLC content 🙂 

Yes,thats we want! More game from the best game! 

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yeah it took me 45 mins just to upload a daily challenge result. ugh.

maybe it's dealing with overload because DR2 is now free for PS Plus members, so there's probably thousands of people downloading and playing the game right now. I don't know if or how that would affect the racenet servers: it's just a guess because this has been happening for the last hour, which is about exactly when it became free

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14 minutes ago, ianism said:

yeah it took me 45 mins just to upload a daily challenge result. ugh.

maybe it's dealing with overload because DR2 is now free for PS Plus members, so there's probably thousands of people downloading and playing the game right now. I don't know if or how that would affect the racenet servers: it's just a guess because this has been happening for the last hour, which is about exactly when it became free

Im pretty sure the download goes trough Sonys servers and people downloading has nothing to do with the issues right now. Just imagine patch days otherwise. Servers have been slow for the last 2-3 hours aswell  🙂

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12 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

NMS had a non-linear story that you discover at your own pace. But anyhow, NMS missing nominations (unjustly in my opinion) does not render a different game unworthy.

No Mans Sky has a nomination for "Continued support" or something. And maybe they changed it at some point, but it absolutely did not have a non-linear story. There was barely anything and no reasoning behind anything. You don't learn any mysteries, don't gain a deeper understanding of anything, there was no mechanics or world building or anything. You just get to the center of the galaxy and reset and that was it.

12 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

Citizen Kane and Vertigo were overly awarded melodramas. Chinatown was an overly awarded mystery-noir. And they're incredibly boring by today's standards. (sarc)

The idea that a simulator can not by default win a 'best game' award is seriously misguided. Cinema has no player agency, so art takes precedence for its merit. Games on the other hand feature player agency. Art is one measure of a games' success, but has no relevance to a game that strives to give the player an out-of-body experience. The latter can still make for a truly great game, whereas a movie that is merely a camera placed in a rally car does not make a great film.

Haven't seen them.

The point has flown completely over your head. A simulator is not, will not, should not ever be game of the year. It will never challenge anything about anything or have any relevance or meaningful impact, or move the industry forward, or anything. You want it to win because you enjoyed it, fine. It's your game of the year, fine. The community and global reception at large really couldn't give less of a **** about it. Why didn't Until Dawn win Game of the Year?

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7 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Haven't seen them.

You may wish to, before making sweeping statements about great films, as they are generally recognised as the three greatest of all time (give or take) 

7 hours ago, JZStudios said:

A simulator is not, will not, should not ever be game of the year. It will never challenge anything about anything or have any relevance or meaningful impact, or move the industry forward, or anything. You want it to win because you enjoyed it, fine. It's your game of the year, fine. The community and global reception at large really couldn't give less of a **** about it.

An utterly absurd statement with zero argument as its basis. I'll let it speak for itself. 

 

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2 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

You may wish to, before making sweeping statements about great films, as they are generally recognised as the three greatest of all time (give or take) 

Where did I make a sweeping statement about great films? I specifically mentioned the two that you did, and that slasher movies should never be film of the year or whatever.

2 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

An utterly absurd statement with zero argument as its basis. I'll let it speak for itself. 

No, it's entirely an argument, one that you fail to properly counter-argue. Why should it be game of the year? Because the physics are more stable than the prior entry? Okay, great. So what? You literally give zero reason as to why it should be outside of "There's no reason it couldn't be."

This has dragged on far too long and you don't give any reasoning for anything.

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4 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Where did I make a sweeping statement about great films? I specifically mentioned the two that you did, and that slasher movies should never be film of the year or whatever.

No, it's entirely an argument, one that you fail to properly counter-argue. Why should it be game of the year? Because the physics are more stable than the prior entry? Okay, great. So what? You literally give zero reason as to why it should be outside of "There's no reason it couldn't be."

This has dragged on far too long and you don't give any reasoning for anything.

Sigh... JZ you're actually completely ignoring the arguments I've already given, eg player agency in games vs film, simulators consequently not being inherently disqualified, reasons why 2.0 is a watershed, etc etc. I do agree this has dragged on for too long. I'm just not finding any of your comments to be intellectually stimulating, sorry. They basically amount to 'I don't agree because I feel differently'.

You've also shifted your own goalposts. You've gone from "a simulator (like DR2.0) should inherently never win an award as best game" to now "explain specifically why DR2.0 should win over all other games this year". The former was an interesting point to debate, but as I've said, you seem unable to engage with the arguments.

As for movies, you've loftily proclaimed 2001 unworthy of a best picture nomination because you consider it 'boring' (and ignored the point about it being a genre picture, in this case science fiction). But you've never seen the three films that are most widely regarded as the greatest of all time. Again, what's the point?

Here, I tell you what. Let me put it this way:

"Hey everyone, JZ believes one game must always be better than another because it has a storyline and the other doesn't"

 

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20 hours ago, somethingthing said:

Im pretty sure the download goes trough Sonys servers and people downloading has nothing to do with the issues right now. Just imagine patch days otherwise. Servers have been slow for the last 2-3 hours aswell  🙂

oh that's for sure, but I was thinking that maybe this had some sort of knock-on effect on racenet. maybe with many people signing up or something. 

just a hypothesis of course, because it's a weird coincidence.

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14 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

Sigh... JZ you're actually completely ignoring the arguments I've already given, eg player agency in games vs film, simulators consequently not being inherently disqualified, reasons why 2.0 is a watershed, etc etc. I do agree this has dragged on for too long. I'm just not finding any of your comments to be intellectually stimulating, sorry. They basically amount to 'I don't agree because I feel differently'.

You've also shifted your own goalposts. You've gone from "a simulator (like DR2.0) should inherently never win an award as best game" to now "explain specifically why DR2.0 should win over all other games this year". The former was an interesting point to debate, but as I've said, you seem unable to engage with the arguments.

As for movies, you've loftily proclaimed 2001 unworthy of a best picture nomination because you consider it 'boring' (and ignored the point about it being a genre picture, in this case science fiction). But you've never seen the three films that are most widely regarded as the greatest of all time. Again, what's the point?

Here, I tell you what. Let me put it this way:

"Hey everyone, JZ believes one game must always be better than another because it has a storyline and the other doesn't"

 

You suck at arguing or making a cohesive point. Player agency applies to literally almost every game. Why would that be a qualification solely for simulators when it's also required in Animal Crossing or Doom? Bad point, it serves your argument no meaning. You have done literally nothing to argue as to why DR2, or any racing game, would win GOTY compared to the entirety of games released.

You're completely misrepresenting what I said. I said Batman was overhyped and 2001 was a technical marvel. What in the actual ****? The genre? Mention to me a horror/slasher flick that won Oscars, I never said SciFi couldn't win one. So you tried to prove me wrong by sideskirting my argument. You suck at argument. Then you mention 3 movies that also sideskirt anything relevant. And after looking it up, I have watched Chinatown actually. Jack Nicholson films are hard to find.

Then you make a straw man argument.

 

Here, I tell you what. Let me put it this way:

"Hey everyone, Jake believes one game must always be better because of reasons he can't argue that don't apply to the entire medium at large, and then he'll make straw man arguments, sideskirt the actual argument, misrepresent what you said entirely, completely miss the point, say you've shifted the goal posts for bringing it back to the original topic, and then tell you that you're stupid."

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