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Codies would lose a serious purchaser base, DR-heads, if they get wind that Dirt 5 has dumbed down the handling in a fundamental way. 

No way I would buy it. If I want an arcade rally game, I'd go for Art of Rally or somesuch. Dirt 5 is going to have realistic visuals, car interiors, etc. It'd basically suck for players like me with any kind of arcadish handling, and I've no doubt I'm not alone. 

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1 minute ago, Jake Cushing said:

Codies would lose a serious purchaser base, DR-heads, if they get wind that Dirt 5 has dumbed down the handling in a fundamental way. 

No way I would buy it. If I want an arcade rally game, I'd go for Art of Rally or somesuch. Dirt 5 is going to have realistic visuals, car interiors, etc. It'd basically suck for players like me with any kind of arcadish handling, and I've no doubt I'm not alone. 

In the same way that dirt rally 2 sucks for those that want a fun, easy to play racing game? It’s quite simple, skip this game and wait for dirt rally 3

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1 minute ago, Jake Cushing said:

Codies would lose a serious purchaser base, DR-heads, if they get wind that Dirt 5 has dumbed down the handling in a fundamental way. 

No way I would buy it. If I want an arcade rally game, I'd go for Art of Rally or somesuch. Dirt 5 is going to have realistic visuals, car interiors, etc. It'd basically suck for players like me with any kind of arcadish handling, and I've no doubt I'm not alone. 

As far as I understand Rally is coming back eventually, it's just another studios' DiRT game that'll come first.

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Because I think I started all this mess by asking for the DR2 handling model to be available in the New game😬, I wanted to say that whatever the handling model is, as far as you can understand what the car is doing and have no problems adapting to the controls, the main thing is for the game to be fun and exciting like Colin Mcrae Dirt 2 and DiRT 3. If it is really good then handling will not be an issue.

Because anyway, I am expecting a thrilling rally simulation by Codies in the future by the name of DiRT Rally 3.

So yeah there is no point in arguing about certain things that we are going to find out very very soon. 

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Dirt 2.3 and GRID were absolutely brilliant games for pick up and play. I had loads of friends that were not at all interested in racing games that would play them all the time. We used to have a blast playing them, particularly the party modes on Dirt 3 and demolition derby on grid

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Btw the arcade/simulation option was in no way the reason Dirt 4 did not succeed. 

That had everything to do with the sim handling being nerfed and lifeless, and Mystage just not working well (and the consequent reduction in overall rally locations) 

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14 minutes ago, RallyDriven said:

Dirt 2.3 and GRID were absolutely brilliant games for pick up and play. I had loads of friends that were not at all interested in racing games that would play them all the time. We used to have a blast playing them, particularly the party modes on Dirt 3 and demolition derby on grid

Yeah. As much as people give the gymkhana element of that game grief, the party modes connected to it were brilliant. 

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5 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah. As much as people give the gymkhana element of that game grief, the party modes connected to it were brilliant. 

Probably controversial but I really enjoyed the free roam gymkhana on dirt 3. The actual career events sucked a bit. The biggest shame was gymkhana in dirt showdown (going to be really controversial here). The dockyard gymkhana arena was really good, and the career events were time attack based if I remember rightly, more like the real life Gymkhana grid events. They were actually pretty good, but the handling sucked and you couldn’t turn off the assists which tried to lock you into doughnuts.

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56 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

If you look back through recent titles, it is possible to have a more casual-friendly game with a decent handling model. GRID is a good example, cars are fun to drive and push hard in that, even with all the assists off.

Uhm, I just hope the new DIRT will NOT be an offroad version of GRID. I don't like GRID at all. It has a lack of vision and it misses depth.

Handling model is subjective, as I find a simulation handling model much more easier than an arcade model (as my mind have difficulties to understand unrealistic behaviour). 

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I still go back and play DiRT 2 a lot.  I like the locations and driving the trucks.  It reminds me a lot of why I like Forza Horizon, the handling is predictable and works, there is a atmosphere in both games that put you in a "world" that says lets have fun.  Both are great to play with friends online and in person.  D3 had its moments that I liked, KB was fine for me, just wasn't a fan of being forced to play all disciplines to complete, like many have commented.

 

If what is next has good immersion and not forcing the game to be difficult just to take it serious, I will like it.  

 

Who has played the new GRID?  Do you like it?  I haven't tried it, watched some videos, and IDK not sure about it.

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what I'm excited about for this game is what new locations we'd get and whether they could be added to the next DR game

Malaysia, Kenya, Japan, Croatia, China, Utah & Morocco would all be v cool, to take examples from past Dirt games. less focus on Europe would be nice, (unless the licence for the European Rally Championship is possible)

52 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

I meant to check last night. Other than the Solberg and Christmas liveries, I assume there were no new liveries added to the game? 

depends whether you count the Gronholm/Heikkinen/Nitiss/Timurzyanov ones 

wink wink nudge nudge

16 minutes ago, Thierry97 said:

are you sure it's Dirt 5 ???:classic_sleep:

I would say we are like 85% sure. also, the person quoted below likely has more information than the rest of us 😉

1 hour ago, UP100 said:

As far as I understand Rally is coming back eventually, it's just another studios' DiRT game that'll come first.

 

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3 minutes ago, gfRally said:

Who has played the new GRID?  Do you like it?  I haven't tried it, watched some videos, and IDK not sure about it.

I like it as a casual game on a pad, but when I want to take my driving seriously it's either Rally or F1.

 

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9 minutes ago, Thierry97 said:

are you sure it's Dirt 5 ???:classic_sleep:

Look the dirt pics (Purple  pink...   Light color) with logo same like old dirt (1 , 2 , 3 ...) , dirt rally  have serious logo and dark  color for me is dirt 5 not dr 3.0

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25 minutes ago, PJTierney said:

I like it as a casual game on a pad, but when I want to take my driving seriously it's either Rally or F1.

Though the FFB feels really nice for a game that isn't aiming to be any kind of simulator!

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4 minutes ago, macebig said:

Is there any hope for a realistic livery on the 2007 Focus? 

None planned, sorry.

A Season livery was granted to that car (which is rare as all other Season liveries are for base game cars).

 

The '01 Focus got a new livery purely because it was being used in the Colin McRae Scenarios.

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On 4/7/2020 at 6:40 PM, Rogerbee said:

Could you try doing the same with the Valvoline livery for the Kadett?

Can you give access then to skin modders to do skins for the DLC. Then at least we get some great liverys and more

people will purchase the game. Everyone's a winner.

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3 hours ago, RallyDriven said:

Probably controversial but I really enjoyed the free roam gymkhana on dirt 3. The actual career events sucked a bit. The biggest shame was gymkhana in dirt showdown (going to be really controversial here). The dockyard gymkhana arena was really good, and the career events were time attack based if I remember rightly, more like the real life Gymkhana grid events. They were actually pretty good, but the handling sucked and you couldn’t turn off the assists which tried to lock you into doughnuts.

Praise for DiRT Showdown? Is that allowed on the forum?... :classic_laugh: 

3 hours ago, ianism said:

Depends whether you count the Gronholm/Heikkinen/Nitiss/Timurzyanov ones 

It was a plain blue WRC98 that I had in mind but, now you have mentioned it, I wondered if the driver allocation mentioned in the patch notes applied to any of the above drivers...

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25 minutes ago, Kenny1962 said:

Can you give access then to skin modders to do skins for the DLC.

DLC is going to remain encrypted for various reasons, sorry.

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2 hours ago, tbtstt said:

It was a plain blue WRC98 that I had in mind but, now you have mentioned it, I wondered if the driver allocation mentioned in the patch notes applied to any of the above drivers...

yeah, my assumption is that it's for those guys.

blue would be awesome but might create more 22B confusion

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7 hours ago, RallyDriven said:

Dirt 2.3 and GRID were absolutely brilliant games for pick up and play. I had loads of friends that were not at all interested in racing games that would play them all the time. We used to have a blast playing them, particularly the party modes on Dirt 3 and demolition derby on grid

Exactly. DiRT Rally 2.0 is by far the best rally game I've ever played, but it isn't exactly pick-up-and-play. On the other hand, older DiRT games like 2/3 are a lot of fun with friends because they're immensely easier to play (mainly due to the wider and easier stages I'd say) and everyone can have fun.

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16 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

There's a point being missed here:

Why deprive ourselves of entire new rally stages with DR2.0 handling?

You'd really want that, just to have a new arcade game? I seriously doubt that sentiment would last after a few days' play. If arcade driving was what you wanted, there are a ton of those games around.

O Rly? such as? I'm very keen, I've been looking for good arcade racers for ages. I've played all the 90's and early 2000's to death.

Besides, the main line dirt games are criticized for having the roads be too wide and not "hardcore" enough, so what difference would it make to have DR handling? I'd take something arcadey that feels good on all surfaces over the bizarre transitions that DR2 has any day. In fact I explicitly remember playing the early build and we were all very pleased with how tarmac felt, only to be flabbergasted by how awkward Spain is on final release.

16 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

Have a look at the reviews for DR2.0

The handling is universally acclaimed. Yes, there are people on this forum who have issues with tarmac - and that is mostly with one track, Spain.

There is no question Codies have struck gold with 2.0's handling. None of the preceding arguments are to say it couldn't be refined further.

Why would I look at reviews when I have first hand experience with the early builds through to the final release and I've seen the other testers reactions along with community thoughts on the forum. But if that's you're standard, I could also say that the Forza Horizon and Driver handling models are universally acclaimed.

10 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

How well did V-Rally 4 do? Arcade game, arcade handling, arcade stages. 

I thought there was loads of arcade games though?

 

9 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Not really sure. I think a DIRT 2/3 kinda game can work. But those games were also a success due to Ken Block. 

They also had far more content and variety than just rally. Helped keep it from getting stale. As much as people hate it, having something like Battersea or Dirtfish to mess around in was a good way to kill time and get to grips with car control. Or it would be, in D4's case, if it actually behaved like the real game. I still want something with Baja, trucks and buggies, trailblazers. They were fun to drive, and limiting them to 2 tiny oval tracks is very boring.

 

9 hours ago, PJTierney said:

If you look back through recent titles, it is possible to have a more casual-friendly game with a decent handling model. GRID is a good example, cars are fun to drive and push hard in that, even with all the assists off.

A La Driver and Forza Horizon. The're semi-realistic and a blast to play. All the other modern arcade models feel terrible. I just recently replayed Midnight Club 3, and that game is arcade as can be, but still felt good to drive and race in.

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9 hours ago, Jake Cushing said:

No way I would buy it. If I want an arcade rally game, I'd go for Art of Rally or somesuch.

Because a top down arcade racer and a "simcade" are on the same level or something. It's very easy to just not purchase the next title if it doesn't interest you.

For me personally, I was real excited about D4, and after 8 hours I uninstalled it from boredom. I'll not make that mistake again. If D5 has a similarly limited amount of content, then I'm perfectly content with not buying it.

8 hours ago, RallyDriven said:

Dirt 2.3 and GRID were absolutely brilliant games for pick up and play. I had loads of friends that were not at all interested in racing games that would play them all the time. We used to have a blast playing them, particularly the party modes on Dirt 3 and demolition derby on grid

I hated Grid. Never felt right, I honestly thought Grid 2 was way better. Autosport was okay, but I never finished it.

 

8 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Yeah. As much as people give the gymkhana element of that game grief, the party modes connected to it were brilliant. 

I still think it would be fun if you could Halo Forge it and make your own little courses and time them, or share them online. Then to an extent you'd have a limitless supply of special stages to test your car control. The biggest issue with Gymkhana was that they forced it in the career mode, but it seems like they have different "motorsport careers" you can follow now, so if it made a return you could just not do it.

 

4 hours ago, tbtstt said:

Praise for DiRT Showdown? Is that allowed on the forum?... :classic_laugh: 

Myeh, Iunno. I actually completed it, unlike D4.

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