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There are 3 people in the video, the style of the presentation, the cuts, the content and the 3 of them jabbering away is to me, dudebro style.

The larger guy got the HP wrong on the car though (rally car) i think he was remembering the number Audi tuned theirs down to for Ken to play in it.

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4 hours ago, JZStudios said:

I could've swore in an interview he said it was his favorite car. Though maybe that was before he tried really racing in it.

Yeah, he did... right up until he owned one! I think it was a pretty good case of "not meeting your heroes". That said, I think his ownership of that car might have been more enjoyable if he had better support for the car. 

3 hours ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

Slightly muddled comments because dudebro style and groupies, but he was saying it's not much fun to drive with the homologation horsepower.  They put in the evo engine or something but something about issues with it being worth so much and worried about putting it into a snow bank as he likes to drive his cars.

Yeah, the "base" car was only 250 BHP and that engine (1.8L) was run up to 450 BHP. The Evo engine (2.1L) is capable of way more power, but those blocks (BDT-E) are ultra rare. The few videos he did with that car show him looking really uncomfortable when driving it quickly; and say what you want about him, but he rarely looks concerned behind the wheel. 

Did make me chuckle that he mentioned about how much of a pig the E2 he drove (at Audi Heritage) was. You best get used to understeer, because your own car is going to do exactly the same! 

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1 hour ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

The larger guy got the HP wrong on the car though (rally car) i think he was remembering the number Audi tuned theirs down to for Ken to play in it.

Perhaps, though maybe he is just being realistic. There are a lot of pub figures when it comes to Group B (rally) power figures, the Group 4 quattro started with around 300 and it did rise from there, but some of the "claimed" figures for the period cars are ridiculous. 

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24 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Perhaps, though maybe he is just being realistic. There are a lot of pub figures when it comes to Group B (rally) power figures, the Group 4 quattro started with around 300 and it did rise from there, but some of the "claimed" figures for the period cars are ridiculous. 

I thought it was fairly well known that model was 500+ depending on tuning.

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Hello everyone!!! I have a hype for the future Dirt Rally 3.0 that is not normal.... I can't wait to see how it will be in the new generation. Regarding the simulation, watching DR.2 I am very calm. These guys know what they are doing. Improve asphalt, and a little more land and it is again the best rally simulator ever created. WRC 10 is very fun (for its realism) and enjoyable. I consider it a simulator too (as long as it is played as realistically as possible). But what CM has done with DR.2... is simply amazing. And of course looking forward to F1 2022. It would be nice to be able to have different tire combinations. Example: 

 

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There is certainly a lot of knowledge and passion in the team that develops DR. 

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18 hours ago, ricxxV2 said:

 

@JorritVD Not entirely sure how you touched the barrier. It looks like the car steered to the left by itself as if there were ruts in the mud. You clearly tried to steer away from the wall/barrier there. 

Basically there was just one line in that hairpin.
That time I got to wide and got in the mud.

With RX slicks you have basically zero grip.
Actually the tyres were the same that I used the previous time on my debut, and at that time they were already used.
So not much profile.

What I think happened is that I came in a bit to fast on wet gravel.
I went wide where there was a much more thicker layer of gravel (inside was more asphalt).
At that point I had no steering anymore, and as I was on throttle so the weight goes backwards.
When I hid the wall I bounched to the right.
Than I am still not sure what really happened (also not when I see the images back).
I think a combination on getting on a part with grip, a bit of to much throttle and maybe the rear bouncing back of the wall caused me to go into the wall again.
Can also be that the left front had much more resistance (layer of mud by the wall) and therefore pulled me into the wall.

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28 minutes ago, JorritVD said:


I think a combination on getting on a part with grip, a bit of to much throttle and maybe the rear bouncing back of the wall caused me to go into the wall again.
Can also be that the left front had much more resistance (layer of mud by the wall) and therefore pulled me into the wall.

Yeah, probably a combination of things. That hairpin with all that deep mud is definitely a nightmare with the BMW on old slicks. 

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On 11/10/2021 at 12:19 PM, tbtstt said:

I agree. Certainly not a dig at the staff members who regularly post here, but I agree that there seems to be a more business like feel to the way contributions are made now (and there has been for some time, so I am not blaming EA!). 

 

I think part of that has to do with what the original DiRT Rally was, an early-access project. The team at the time (this is only my assumption) needed that hands-on interaction to help build the kind of experience you were all after, as a "hardcore rally game" hadn't been done by anyone since Richard Burns Rally.

On top of that the environment changes a bit as people come and go. Lee, Coleman and Christina have all moved on (Lee's at EA now) and I joined a few years ago. I guess I'm more active here because I was "one of you lot" before getting hired whereas somebody coming in fresh may not be as hands-on here.

In addition, the social/community landscape has changed in the past few years, to the point where it can be a bit risky for a developer to freely post on the forums. Unless somebody is trained in or has experience with being a "face" of a brand, it's easy for comments to be taken the wrong way, things to be leaked etc.

I'm all for more developers being on the forums though, but even with my specialised role it can be a little tricky to interact with you all in a way that doesn't get me in trouble 😄 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, PJTierney said:

 

I think part of that has to do with what the original DiRT Rally was, an early-access project. The team at the time (this is only my assumption) needed that hands-on interaction to help build the kind of experience you were all after, as a "hardcore rally game" hadn't been done by anyone since Richard Burns Rally.

On top of that the environment changes a bit as people come and go. Lee, Coleman and Christina have all moved on (Lee's at EA now) and I joined a few years ago. I guess I'm more active here because I was "one of you lot" before getting hired whereas somebody coming in fresh may not be as hands-on here.

In addition, the social/community landscape has changed in the past few years, to the point where it can be a bit risky for a developer to freely post on the forums. Unless somebody is trained in or has experience with being a "face" of a brand, it's easy for comments to be taken the wrong way, things to be leaked etc.

I'm all for more developers being on the forums though, but even with my specialised role it can be a little tricky to interact with you all in a way that doesn't get me in trouble 😄 

 

 

 

Did you just confirm Dirt Rally 3.0?

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The few things that are known:
- There are now a DiRT and a DiRT Rally dev team.
- The DiRT Rally development team is working on a new project, already when DR2.0 post DLC content.
- It is not known what the new project is. Only that there was a kinda confirmation of Codies having the WRC license from '23 and the first game should be in '24 (but as fas as i know codemasters never confirmed this). But it is also not known that there will be a game before that. 

so 5 years ('19 - '24) between DR2 and the WRC just seems overly to much imo, especilly as D5 was released 1,5 year after the release of DR2.0 from an other dev team,
AND that DR dev team released 3 games within 4 years (DR1, D4, DR2.0) before that. So how can it be they now need 5 years to create a game? Or the new game is made completly from scratch, but that is both an huge investment and risk.

Also I can understand that some changes in Rallycross, and also with the influence of COVID, and also introduction of EA, resultated in strategic/tactical rethinking of the game and (re)organizing the team in certain ways. 

Also people should stop saying 3.0, because 2.0 was only a reference to CMR2.0.

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It has probably been in development for some time. I say this because usually developers when they finish a work, they are already working with the new one. It's pure DR.2 passion. The sounds, the physics... the details... The dirt is amazing how it looks on the cars. They were always ahead of their time. At my 39 years old (I'll be on December 8th) the hype and the illusion I have to see a new installment of this simulator are very big. 

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6 hours ago, PJTierney said:

 

I think part of that has to do with what the original DiRT Rally was, an early-access project. The team at the time (this is only my assumption) needed that hands-on interaction to help build the kind of experience you were all after, as a "hardcore rally game" hadn't been done by anyone since Richard Burns Rally.

On top of that the environment changes a bit as people come and go. Lee, Coleman and Christina have all moved on (Lee's at EA now) and I joined a few years ago. I guess I'm more active here because I was "one of you lot" before getting hired whereas somebody coming in fresh may not be as hands-on here.

In addition, the social/community landscape has changed in the past few years, to the point where it can be a bit risky for a developer to freely post on the forums. Unless somebody is trained in or has experience with being a "face" of a brand, it's easy for comments to be taken the wrong way, things to be leaked etc.

I'm all for more developers being on the forums though, but even with my specialised role it can be a little tricky to interact with you all in a way that doesn't get me in trouble 😄 

Sounds like a bad higher up thing. DR had really good community feedback and interaction, would've thought CM would find value in that. Not having communication leads to things like Ghost Recon Frontlines and Battlefield 2042 where the community they're trying to sell the game to would've immediately said HELL NO.

There's also old time forum members that stopped visiting years ago at this point because there's no interaction. The forum is dead and it's not really any fun  anymore. It's actually been happening in BeamNG too, I joined the forum to keep up with their update posts, but then they started only doing it on Twitter for some reason, then they kind of stopped doing it at all. That game's still early access.

 

2 hours ago, PJTierney said:

I never confirm anything, you should know that by now.

Then quite literally, what is the point? "EA announces GRID Legends, community manager assures it's just a rumor"

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24 minutes ago, JorritVD said:

The few things that are known.......
- It is not known what the new project is. Only that there was a kinda confirmation of Codies having the WRC license from '23 and the first game should be in '24 .....

The agreement contains a stipulation for the latest the game can release, that's where the '24 date comes from.

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7 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Sounds like a bad higher up thing. DR had really good community feedback and interaction, would've thought CM would find value in that. Not having communication leads to things like Ghost Recon Frontlines and Battlefield 2042 where the community they're trying to sell the game to would've immediately said HELL NO.

There's also old time forum members that stopped visiting years ago at this point because there's no interaction. The forum is dead and it's not really any fun  anymore. It's actually been happening in BeamNG too, I joined the forum to keep up with their update posts, but then they started only doing it on Twitter for some reason, then they kind of stopped doing it at all. That game's still early access.

Other than people moving on and new people being around, I think it's also a sign of the times in that forums aren't as popular/active as they used to be (although I feel they're still much better than Discord etc. for certain things, like bug reports and long-form discussion).

I try and communicate where I can, but you all know things are quiet in terms of rally news so no need for me to go over that again here. I can't forcibly drag developers in here to talk about things, especially when there's not much to talk about.

 

9 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Then quite literally, what is the point? "EA announces GRID Legends, community manager assures it's just a rumor"

I forgot the winking emoji to imply I was poking fun as his attempt to read between two lines that didn't exist.

I'm fairly certain GRID Legends exists though 🙂 

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37 minutes ago, F2CMaDMaXX said:

"fairly certain" - so you're saying there's a chance it might not?.... 😄

"According to the people (who asked not to be identified), GRID Legends is probably not under development"

Yeah I can see some news outlets having a dig at that 🤣

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8 hours ago, PJTierney said:

Other than people moving on and new people being around, I think it's also a sign of the times in that forums aren't as popular/active as they used to be (although I feel they're still much better than Discord etc. for certain things, like bug reports and long-form discussion).

I try and communicate where I can, but you all know things are quiet in terms of rally news so no need for me to go over that again here. I can't forcibly drag developers in here to talk about things, especially when there's not much to talk about.

Nah, even the old devs stopped poking around the forums after DR1 was out, then they all announced they were leaving.

1 hour ago, urgaffel said:

Wait, grid legends is not under development? No one told me that! What am I going to do with all these lasers and things? 😄

Case in point, when's the last time he even posted on the forum?

And what lasers?

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7 hours ago, JZStudios said:

Nah, even the old devs stopped poking around the forums after DR1 was out

Fair enough.

 

I was active on these forums from 2010-2012 and I think I didn't come back regularly until just before DiRT Rally 2.0 was released.

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14 hours ago, urgaffel said:

Sorry Jz, I’ve been busy with non Dirt things so haven’t had anything to share. Plus (for me) it’s easier to pop in to the discord channel every now and then compared to the forum.

Oh, good excuse.

DR3 confirmed not happening.

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On 11/15/2021 at 10:17 AM, PJTierney said:

I think part of that has to do with what the original DiRT Rally was, an early-access project. The team at the time (this is only my assumption) needed that hands-on interaction to help build the kind of experience you were all after, as a "hardcore rally game" hadn't been done by anyone since Richard Burns Rally.

On top of that the environment changes a bit as people come and go. Lee, Coleman and Christina have all moved on (Lee's at EA now) and I joined a few years ago. I guess I'm more active here because I was "one of you lot" before getting hired whereas somebody coming in fresh may not be as hands-on here.

In addition, the social/community landscape has changed in the past few years, to the point where it can be a bit risky for a developer to freely post on the forums. Unless somebody is trained in or has experience with being a "face" of a brand, it's easy for comments to be taken the wrong way, things to be leaked etc.

I'm all for more developers being on the forums though, but even with my specialised role it can be a little tricky to interact with you all in a way that doesn't get me in trouble 😄 

Yeah, can understand your position now. To just reiterate my point wasn't a dig at either you or the other staff members who post on here. Times change and with new faces and new management I think it is only natural that the environment changes as well. 

From the visits I have made to Southam I would say there has been a noticeable difference. I would say that the original DR was almost a bit of a guerrilla effort (at least in the early days) and the conversations about it at the time felt like it was being led by individuals rather than a company; subsequent titles (both Dirt and Dirt Rally) seemed to have a much clearer direction - and management - from the outset.   

On 11/15/2021 at 4:52 PM, PJTierney said:

Other than people moving on and new people being around, I think it's also a sign of the times in that forums aren't as popular/active as they used to be (although I feel they're still much better than Discord etc. for certain things, like bug reports and long-form discussion).

Definitely agree with this. I am a member of a number of car forums and the vast majority of them have a fraction of the traffic they used to have (and some have disappeared completely). I have long thought it is quite funny that Facebook, despite having "real" personal data on display, never seems as personal to me as a good forum (or even Discord, which I find the closest thing to a good forum at the moment).

On 11/15/2021 at 5:40 PM, F2CMaDMaXX said:

It seems highly unlikely there won't be something between now and the official WRC licensed game.

That is what I think at this point as well. I thought an intermediate DR rally game would either be imminent or actually in our hands at this stage. 

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You might have mis-read my double negative post.

I'm saying that there should be something very soon, something before the official game, just because the team have been working on it for ages and i'm fairly certain i saw they'd produce something before the licensed game.

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I too wat to think there'll be something DR related to the WRC game. But I'm not quite sure to what extent that DirtFish article was speculating when they noted that the DR team was working on something. I might be wrong, but AFAIK there is no official news from the team that they are in fact working on something.

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Well, also an other scenario can happen. 

As WRC always have been a standalone game, so the next DiRT Rally game will be the actual WRC game in 2023/2024. So basically DiRT Rally + WRC - Rallycross.

Then we will get another DiRT game, but with maybe a bigger/realistic implementation of Rallycross (and less boom-boom over the top action). 
 

An other option is that there will be an standalone Rallycross. A bit currently the problem is that WRX isn’t the most interesting roster of entries to get in a game (with just 7 permanent entries). So it might be more interesting to not go with a licensing model like DiRT5, so you can also implement real and fictional (NRX lookalike) tracks and a track editor. And cars can be from real and mix of different championships. And then liveries a mix of real, fictional and a livery editor. So basically DiRT Rally - Rally + editors.

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12 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Well, also an other scenario can happen. 

As WRC always have been a standalone game, so the next DiRT Rally game will be the actual WRC game in 2023/2024. So basically DiRT Rally + WRC - Rallycross.

Then we will get another DiRT game, but with maybe a bigger/realistic implementation of Rallycross (and less boom-boom over the top action). 
 

An other option is that there will be an standalone Rallycross. A bit currently the problem is that WRX isn’t the most interesting roster of entries to get in a game (with just 7 permanent entries). So it might be more interesting to not go with a licensing model like DiRT5, so you can also implement real and fictional (NRX lookalike) tracks and a track editor. And cars can be from real and mix of different championships. And then liveries a mix of real, fictional and a livery editor. So basically DiRT Rally - Rally + editors.

You know for which kinda game I would vote. :classic_ninja:

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18 hours ago, JorritVD said:

Well, also an other scenario can happen. 

As WRC always have been a standalone game, so the next DiRT Rally game will be the actual WRC game in 2023/2024. So basically DiRT Rally + WRC - Rallycross.

Then we will get another DiRT game, but with maybe a bigger/realistic implementation of Rallycross (and less boom-boom over the top action). 
 

An other option is that there will be an standalone Rallycross. A bit currently the problem is that WRX isn’t the most interesting roster of entries to get in a game (with just 7 permanent entries). So it might be more interesting to not go with a licensing model like DiRT5, so you can also implement real and fictional (NRX lookalike) tracks and a track editor. And cars can be from real and mix of different championships. And then liveries a mix of real, fictional and a livery editor. So basically DiRT Rally - Rally + editors.

Would there be any reason for WRC to say hell no we don't want WRX in our game? WRX doesn't seem too concerned about being the title considering they weren't for DR or DR2.

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WRC and WRX are both promoted by the same parent company now, so in theory they're more open to things in terms of the sport(s) and how they go about promoting it.

Before 2020 happened there were plans to have a joint WRC-WRX weekend at Spa for example.

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1 hour ago, urgaffel said:

Ok, I’ll go back to not posting since I’m obviously not saying the right things. I’ll let the work speak for itself 🙂

I never said you could win.

 

9 hours ago, PJTierney said:

WRC and WRX are both promoted by the same parent company now, so in theory they're more open to things in terms of the sport(s) and how they go about promoting it.

Before 2020 happened there were plans to have a joint WRC-WRX weekend at Spa for example.

WRC confirmed to have WRX.

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On 11/16/2021 at 8:49 PM, F2CMaDMaXX said:

You might have mis-read my double negative post.

I'm saying that there should be something very soon, something before the official game, just because the team have been working on it for ages and i'm fairly certain i saw they'd produce something before the licensed game.

Yeah, I did misread your post! 🤦‍♂️

I was of the same opinion as you, as the gap between titles seemed too big to me, but I would have expected an interim game (or at least news of an interim game) to have come by now. 

18 hours ago, PJTierney said:

WRC and WRX are both promoted by the same parent company now, so in theory they're more open to things in terms of the sport(s) and how they go about promoting it.

Hoping that WRC Promoter retain the European Championship rights for next year (and onwards) so both the electric World and petrol Euro Supercars could all be included in an official title. 

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52 minutes ago, tbtstt said:

Hoping that WRC Promoter retain the European Championship rights for next year (and onwards) so both the electric World and petrol Euro Supercars could all be included in an official title. 

Yeah, but that might also be very conflicting.

WRX and RX2e are both electric.
WRC Rally 1 will be hybrid
All others are petrol. I wonder if that has influence on a potential strategy regarding a game. 

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2 hours ago, ricxxV2 said:

Nice driving man! You seem to really like the Baumholder location ^^

Thanks, mate! Appreciate the compliment. 

I like driving on tarmac and it's especially ideal to show off new designs. You wouldn't be able to see half of it after a few metres on gravel or snow. 😅

The tarmac/concrete of the Baumholder area allows me to show off my skills as well with the many junctions and hairpins.

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22 minutes ago, SRD_SimVansevenant said:

I like driving on tarmac and it's especially ideal to show off new designs. You wouldn't be able to see half of it after a few metres on gravel or snow. 😅

 

True, didn't think of that at all. 🤦‍♂️

 

2 hours ago, Rogerbee said:

Who doesn't? 

I must say it's among my least favourate locations. The uphill stage through the forest (Waldaufstieg) is awesome, though. 

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