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There's a difference between suggesting how someone might improve their performance (braking points, racing lines, throttle management, etc.) versus telling someone they should just change their preferred settings (camera, assists, peripherals, etc.).

While it may be true that some people are able to perform better using certain settings, that doesn't mean that everybody automatically always performs better with those same settings, nor does it mean that anyone using different settings can't make any performance improvements without changing their settings.


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Operator1 said:

There's a difference between suggesting how someone might improve their performance (braking points, racing lines, throttle management, etc.) versus telling someone they should just change their preferred settings (camera, assists, peripherals, etc.).

While it may be true that some people are able to perform better using certain settings, that doesn't mean that everybody automatically always performs better with those same settings, nor does it mean that anyone using different settings can't make any performance improvements without changing their settings.


Maybe if you read the actual thread instead of  just jumping on the band wagon, I never mentioned the view in my initial post just the OPs reaction to someone who did, after the OP called me a cunt I watched his video and found his line to be shithouse, probably caused by the mario cart cam view.
He asked for an opinion, people gave it, he abused them, I pointed this out, he abused me and now I'm arguing with a retard about something totally inconsequential.
What is wrong with you people?

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Operator1 said:

There's a difference between suggesting how someone might improve their performance (braking points, racing lines, throttle management, etc.) versus telling someone they should just change their preferred settings (camera, assists, peripherals, etc.).

While it may be true that some people are able to perform better using certain settings, that doesn't mean that everybody automatically always performs better with those same settings, nor does it mean that anyone using different settings can't make any performance improvements without changing their settings.


Maybe if you read the actual thread instead of  just jumping on the band wagon, I never mentioned the view in my initial post just the OPs reaction to someone who did, after the OP called me a **** I watched his video and found his line to be shithouse, probably caused by the mario cart cam view.
He asked for an opinion, people gave it, he abused them, I pointed this out, he abused me and now I'm arguing with a retard about something totally inconsequential.
What is wrong with you people?



I read every word of every post on this thread so far, and nobody but me has made any specific & actionable suggestions for improving OP's driving - I only see comments from others about OP's "awful" settings & "lack of skill."


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I gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help. I didn't do it out of elitism which is what the OP decided to talk about. Of all the quickest drivers in the world, who do you see using that view? 

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Odemdemz said:
I gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help. I didn't do it out of elitism which is what the OP decided to talk about. Of all the quickest drivers in the world, who do you see using that view? 

Not everybody is constantly striving to be among "the quickest drivers in the world." There is much room for improvement & personal enjoyment outside of the top fraction-of-1-percent of the player population.

Besides, even if OP changes settings, it's not likely to lead to much on-track performance improvement if OP doesn't know how to improve his actual driving. There are plenty of players who go "full sim" with their settings & peripherals yet they remain relatively slow (especially compared to "the quickest drivers in the world") because they don't have a better grasp on driving technique.

...And you only "gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help" after you first responded with nothing but a negative remark about the OP's preferred view. Your "legitimate reason" has nothing with OP's driving - only OP's settings.


(By the way, I am not in any way condoning OP's harsh reaction to what was perceived as elitism. I despise elitism myself, but OP's choice of words in reaction was inappropriate. It's unfortunate how unhelpful it can often be to reach out to gaming "communities" for help.)


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Operator1 said:

Odemdemz said:
I gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help. I didn't do it out of elitism which is what the OP decided to talk about. Of all the quickest drivers in the world, who do you see using that view? 

Not everybody is constantly striving to be among "the quickest drivers in the world." There is much room for improvement & personal enjoyment outside of the top fraction-of-1-percent of the player population.

Besides, even if OP changes settings, it's not likely to lead to much on-track performance improvement if OP doesn't know how to improve his actual driving. There are plenty of players who go "full sim" with their settings & peripherals yet they remain relatively slow (especially compared to "the quickest drivers in the world") because they don't have a better grasp on driving technique.

...And you only "gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help" after you first responded with nothing but a negative remark about the OP's preferred view. Your "legitimate reason" has nothing with OP's driving - only OP's settings.


(By the way, I am not in any way condoning OP's harsh reaction to what was perceived as elitism. I despise elitism myself, but OP's choice of words in reaction was inappropriate. It's unfortunate how unhelpful it can often be to reach out to gaming "communities" for help.)


"what are people more upset at critics, then they are the problems being criticised?"

Way to  engage in blatant hypocrisy.

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Finn said:
hiimdm said:
How is it elitism to state the obvious?
you come here asking for help, some one offers it and you throw it back in their face,
Maybe you can take your stupidly somewhere else, thanks?
They weren't offering help, they were taking an opportunity to belittle someone who doesn't play the game like they think I should. It's quite obvious that camera view has nothing to do with a sudden drop in track grip levels, but here we are, kids crawl out of the woodwork with their superior sneers because i don't play with a wheel and pedals in cockpit view with manual gears on a simulator rig. It's just not relevant to the discussion, its knobs like you looking for an excuse to wave your huge driving authenticity dicks around.

I was looking for suggestions for set-up or if someone else had a similar issue and if they rectified it, but nope, cunts like you just have to swagger in trumpeting how great they are due to the aforementioned. Maybe I will take my "stupidly" somewhere else, where kids like you don't feel the need to barge in and offer irrelevant opinions about how they're superior drivers in a video game.

Wow, that's a lot of salt.
First of all, your line through most of the lap is atrocious, probably not helped by the mario kart view your using, also all your corner entries and apex gear selections are way off, probably due to your using gear assists.
All your salt won't change the fact youre just bad at the game, and there is no magic set up to solve your lack of skill.
Reading one of your previous posts baffles me why you'd lace your general replies with insults to the OP. You've said yourself in past posts that you are no racing god but put the effort in, of which the OP is doing the exact same. So his line isn't perfect in your view suggest how it can be improved to counter his over / under steer don't just keep falling back on the camera angle. The same comment can be applied to your other suggestion, in no way have you provided any constructive info for him to build on. 

If you had actually read my previous post in full, instead of cherry picking segments to suit your argument I went on to state that "I can understand when people who love this game and have supported the concept from the start get a bit short with people coming on to the forums and complaining that the game needs to change to suit their lack of skill." which despite being about a totaly dfferent game (Dirt Rally), is exactly what the OP is doing.
Youre welcome to disagree, but he asked for an opinion and people gave it, he then got salty and abused me because he didn't like the fact it was his lack of skill and not the game at fault for his problems.
That's the thing he never asked for Codemasters or anyone to change the game. He wanted the community to suggest ways they might have found to combat the understeer and oversteer at a particular track. The insults back and forth as others have said is unfortunate by both parties. But the fact that you won't suggest any sort of helpful tips or lessons for the OP hurts your credibility here. Perhaps the view is his problem and as it is so far removed from the front his car he may be braking, accelerating and turning in too late for the tricky sector 3 of the track soninstead of changing his viewpoint he could focus on executing those points earlier.  

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Operator1 said:

Odemdemz said:
I gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help. I didn't do it out of elitism which is what the OP decided to talk about. Of all the quickest drivers in the world, who do you see using that view? 

Not everybody is constantly striving to be among "the quickest drivers in the world." There is much room for improvement & personal enjoyment outside of the top fraction-of-1-percent of the player population.

Besides, even if OP changes settings, it's not likely to lead to much on-track performance improvement if OP doesn't know how to improve his actual driving. There are plenty of players who go "full sim" with their settings & peripherals yet they remain relatively slow (especially compared to "the quickest drivers in the world") because they don't have a better grasp on driving technique.

...And you only "gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help" after you first responded with nothing but a negative remark about the OP's preferred view. Your "legitimate reason" has nothing with OP's driving - only OP's settings.


(By the way, I am not in any way condoning OP's harsh reaction to what was perceived as elitism. I despise elitism myself, but OP's choice of words in reaction was inappropriate. It's unfortunate how unhelpful it can often be to reach out to gaming "communities" for help.)


"what are people more upset at critics, then they are the problems being criticised?"

Way to  engage in blatant hypocrisy.


Way to stretch a quote ridiculously far out of context. The problem is the driving, not the camera.

I'm not going to participate in petty bickering. A moderator will probably be along soon to close this thread now that it's gone so far off course, and I don't want to get caught in the crossfire of warnings/bans for my involvement despite my civility.


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Operator1 said:

Operator1 said:

Odemdemz said:
I gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help. I didn't do it out of elitism which is what the OP decided to talk about. Of all the quickest drivers in the world, who do you see using that view? 

Not everybody is constantly striving to be among "the quickest drivers in the world." There is much room for improvement & personal enjoyment outside of the top fraction-of-1-percent of the player population.

Besides, even if OP changes settings, it's not likely to lead to much on-track performance improvement if OP doesn't know how to improve his actual driving. There are plenty of players who go "full sim" with their settings & peripherals yet they remain relatively slow (especially compared to "the quickest drivers in the world") because they don't have a better grasp on driving technique.

...And you only "gave a legitimate reason as to how changing the view might help" after you first responded with nothing but a negative remark about the OP's preferred view. Your "legitimate reason" has nothing with OP's driving - only OP's settings.


(By the way, I am not in any way condoning OP's harsh reaction to what was perceived as elitism. I despise elitism myself, but OP's choice of words in reaction was inappropriate. It's unfortunate how unhelpful it can often be to reach out to gaming "communities" for help.)


"what are people more upset at critics, then they are the problems being criticised?"

Way to  engage in blatant hypocrisy.


Way to stretch a quote ridiculously far out of context. The problem is the driving, not the camera.

I'm not going to participate in petty bickering. A moderator will probably be along soon to close this thread now that it's gone so far off course, and I don't want to get caught in the crossfire of warnings/bans for my involvement despite my civility.



I'll allow you your tactical retreat.

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