Rally content on DiRT 4 !

[Pinowrc 2]

Australia, Michigan and Spain in, Finland, Greece and Monte out. How can they leave these legendary events off the game ? Very disappointed  :/

[shadow118 18]

Don't forget Germany, that's out too

Body is 4 countries too short.

[Operator1 4]

DLC?

                                        

[Pinowrc 2]

They could've added a DLC to DiRT Rally, why the need to bring in a new game and leave these great events out ???

[karik134 5]

Why not put Dirt Rally stages to Dirt 4 because we haven't had proper online lobby experience with those yet (and never might have).

Maybe remaster older stages little bit so they are more realistic. Like jumps in Finland are way too big compared to real life unless it's due to bad aero simulation in DR(+correct time of year to early august+more vegetation to ditches), make stages be full length instead of halfs (20-30km stages) and put additional real stages to those locations.

[fitbrit 3]

I'm assuming that Dirt4 is using a new engine, which opens up many more possibilities than DR's, since that was stretched to the limit.

[Janneman60 154]

karik134 said:

Why not put Dirt Rally stages to Dirt 4 because we haven't had proper online lobby experience with those yet (and never might have).

Maybe remaster older stages little bit so they are more realistic. Like jumps in Finland are way too big compared to real life unless it's due to bad aero simulation in DR(+correct time of year to early august+more vegetation to ditches), make stages be full length instead of halfs (20-30km stages) and put additional real stages to those locations.

Probably because another crappy game has the license for those countries...

[couger1981 89]

Pinowrc said:

They could've added a DLC to DiRT Rally, why the need to bring in a new game and leave these great events out ???

Not everyone is a hardcore rally fan and they need to cater for a wider audience, DiRT, DiRT 2 & DiRT 3 were very successful for the company so why not bring DiRT 4 out? it's guaranteed to make them a heap of money.

[karik134 5]

Janneman60 said:

karik134 said:

Why not put Dirt Rally stages to Dirt 4 because we haven't had proper online lobby experience with those yet (and never might have).

Maybe remaster older stages little bit so they are more realistic. Like jumps in Finland are way too big compared to real life unless it's due to bad aero simulation in DR(+correct time of year to early august+more vegetation to ditches), make stages be full length instead of halfs (20-30km stages) and put additional real stages to those locations.

Probably because another crappy game has the license for those countries...

But Sweden and Wales are still in.

Can a game license a country?

[versedi 39]

It was answered in the Gossip Thread, so from what I understand and remember:

- there's an issue with licensing of real stages, probably thanks to competitor italian game studio and WRC promoter,
- MC and Greece would be impossible to fit with Your Stage (stage generator) due to massive mountains. 

[bogani 756]

versedi said:

It was answered in the Gossip Thread, so from what I understand and remember:

- there's an issue with licensing of real stages, probably thanks to competitor italian game studio and WRC promoter,
- MC and Greece would be impossible to fit with Your Stage (stage generator) due to massive mountains. 

If I speculate based on Paul's statement it's not really licensing. It's more due to the risk of legal action in the future if the roads are used under the WRC brand. I guess the legal department at Codies adviced against using real roads this time due to that.

[wfwr26 51]

Codies need to go after the WRC license from milestone...those games are garbage!

[AdrianJSClark 0]

bogani said:

versedi said:

It was answered in the Gossip Thread, so from what I understand and remember:

- there's an issue with licensing of real stages, probably thanks to competitor italian game studio and WRC promoter,
- MC and Greece would be impossible to fit with Your Stage (stage generator) due to massive mountains. 

If I speculate based on Paul's statement it's not really licensing. It's more due to the risk of legal action in the future if the roads are used under the WRC brand. I guess the legal department at Codies adviced against using real roads this time due to that.

I'd speculate it may not even be the motorsport bodies (WRC/FIA) that the Codies Legal Eagles may have seen as possible sources for legal issues. Many governments have strict rules regarding even depicting speed on public roads.

Two examples I have for you from Australia:
 - Mark Webber in an F1 car filming on a closed Great Ocean Road, Victoria, was strictly limited to the speed limit of 80 km/h
 - Local auto store, SuperCheap Auto, had an ad featuring stadium trucks banned from TV because it depicted dangerous and illegal driving (source, including the ad: https://mumbrella.com.au/supercheap-auto-race-brisbane-banned-ad-watchdog-417811)

Being able to drive the actual roads that feature in real life rallies was one of the things I liked best about DiRT Rally. Especially as, even if I was to start driving a real life rally car, I doubt I'd be able to get a start on Rallye Monte-Carlo or Rally Germany. So not having real-life roads will be one of my bigger disappointments with DiRT 4. I can understand why pulling them out may have been necessary though.

[karik134 5]

Aren't those roads state owned public roads?

I can understand racetracks that are privetly owned has to be licensed but never heard that public roads need to be. I don't think wrc organisation/promoter or rally arranger owns those roads unless they have papers to show it. Maybe the stage names can be under some sort of trademark idk but u can always use made up names.

Can we players sue them if official wrc game doesn't live up to the name having stage Ouninpohja only as 10km length stage when it should be 30km , stages don't look anywhere close to real life counterparts or something like that.

Why not add rally locations that are not currently in the wrc calender like Ireland, New Zealand, Turkey, Japan, China etc (and Greece hasn't been in wrc calender since 2013).

[versedi 39]

bogani said:

versedi said:

...

If I speculate based on Paul's statement it's not really licensing. It's more due to the risk of legal action in the future if the roads are used under the WRC brand. I guess the legal department at Codies adviced against using real roads this time due to that.

This is pretty much what I've meant, maybe I've miscommunicated :) 
Only thing I'd change is the future. It's happening already. 

[KingOfCoins 286]

I think it has something to do with the WRC guys don't want people to confuse their game with Dirt rally. For both games had the latest WRC cars like the polo and the i20 and they both run in similar locations. The problem was that Dirt rally was much better than WRC 5/6 And people might have considered it the real wrc game due to the similar elements. So instead of improving themselves in making a better game. The WRC guys instead threathen codemasters with legal actions if they continue to minic the wrc.

That's just my take on it.

[enginebuild 0]

wfwr26 said:

Codies need to go after the WRC license from milestone...those games are garbage!

I think licensing is overrated, all it does is take away money which could otherwise be spent developing a game better. I wonder how much Milestone paid for the license?

[karik134 5]

enginebuild said:

wfwr26 said:

Codies need to go after the WRC license from milestone...those games are garbage!

I think licensing is overrated, all it does is take away money which could otherwise be spent developing a game better. I wonder how much Milestone paid for the license?

WRC license isn't owned by Milestone anymore. Milestone did the Loeb rally game.

It's Kylotonn (and BigBen Interactive was the publisher) that owns wrc license now.

[m260602 56]

Well I think they can at least create fictional stages for Greece and Monte-Carlo so that they dont have a problem with the real ones.Furthermore,cause of the difficulty of  the stage generator to create the mountainous landscape,these fictional rally stages(Greece and Monte-Carlo)can just exist in all the single player modes apart from 'Your stage'.That way,there will be 7 rallies in total rather than just 5.

[couger1981 89]

m260602 said:

Well I think they can at least create fictional stages for Greece and Monte-Carlo so that they dont have a problem with the real ones.Furthermore,cause of the difficulty of  the stage generator to create the mountainous landscape,these fictional rally stages(Greece and Monte-Carlo)can just exist in all the single player modes apart from 'Your stage'.That way,there will be 7 rallies in total rather than just 5.

That's probably why they added a track creator/editor so you could add your own stages like Monte Carlo for example.

[m260602 56]

Well,maybe.But i still hope we can drive some rallies of DIRT RALLY in DiRT 4

[Ruben Correa Alves 28]

Problem is that Monte is not present as location.

[m260602 56]

Gameplay still looks great though.I wish they added Greek Language in game :'( .Its easy,just take a Greek to translate everything in the game..........  :D

[SirPhilMcKraken 279]

Yes Monte Carlo would be too complex for the Your Stage algorithm and would need far more detail than is possible at the moment to be convincing which makes sense.

[wfwr26 51]

couger1981 said:

m260602 said:

Well I think they can at least create fictional stages for Greece and Monte-Carlo so that they dont have a problem with the real ones.Furthermore,cause of the difficulty of  the stage generator to create the mountainous landscape,these fictional rally stages(Greece and Monte-Carlo)can just exist in all the single player modes apart from 'Your stage'.That way,there will be 7 rallies in total rather than just 5.

That's probably why they added a track creator/editor so you could add your own stages like Monte Carlo for example.

No, the problem with Monte and Greece are the mountians....the generator cant work around them yet.  Hard to get the "stiching" correct when you have to snake around a mountain.  Would be nice to see them as stand alone rally's without the availability in the "your rally" feature or whatever its called.