DiRT 4 Confirmed Car List

[zoliRX 3]

dani211212 said:

http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/253952#Comment_253952

but there is good chance for EKS S1 Rallycross future (as DLC or in next game)
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/253956#Comment_253956

How come it was in DiRT3 then? Different version of the Quattro, I assume?

I'll probably never wrap my head around this licensing circus :lol:

[bogani 756]

RodgerDavies said:

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Not sure the quatro is re recorded....
037 is obviously now a genuine recording along with the Fiesta R5, and there are a few others with new sounds.

It is a little disappointing we don't have a larger diversity added, but I can't complain, it's all wish list stuff.

One thing I will say is that Paul has mentioned the Skoda R5 wont be in at launch.....

Bearing in mind we heard last year that they visited Spencer Sport to check out the Mirage R5 last year, I'm guessing that has accurately recorded sounds too. 

From the sounds of this, my post above may have been made a bit hastily.

http://community.eu.playstation.com/t5/Driving-Racing/DiRT-4-Q-amp-A-with-Codemasters-The-Answers/m-p/25037317#M19193

There are quite a few of them "not at launch" comments. The only definite answer seems to be "there wont be any toyota in the game".

I'm quite positive DLC might come down the road this time though.

[SkyRex 417]

zoliRX said:

dani211212 said:

http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/253952#Comment_253952

but there is good chance for EKS S1 Rallycross future (as DLC or in next game)
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/253956#Comment_253956

How come it was in DiRT3 then? Different version of the Quattro, I assume?

I'll probably never wrap my head around this licensing circus :lol:

It wasn't in D3. He's talking about Ekströms S1 RX , S1 as in sport version of the small A1, not the 80's Quattro.

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SkyRex said:

zoliRX said:

dani211212 said:

http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/253952#Comment_253952

but there is good chance for EKS S1 Rallycross future (as DLC or in next game)
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/253956#Comment_253956

How come it was in DiRT3 then? Different version of the Quattro, I assume?

I'll probably never wrap my head around this licensing circus :lol:

It wasn't in D3. He's talking about Ekströms S1 RX , S1 as in sport version of the small A1, not the 80's Quattro.

He was talking about both the S1 RX and the old Quattro:

KickUp said:

Sadly because Audi did not officially support the Group B Rallycross as a factory team we couldn't licence it. Same reason we couldn't get the EKS RX car.

But yeah, just checked, there is no rallycross Quattro in DiRT3, just the regular Group B one and the Pikes Peak one for trailblazer. From Group B rallycross cars DiRT3 only has the Metro 6R4 and the RS200

EDIT: Played a bit of DiRT3 and got to a Rallycross event that has all the Group B cars, but those are just regular Group B cars on a rallycross track, so my previous point still stands - there is no dedicated rallycross Quattro in DiRT3

[zoliRX 3]

Didzis said:

But yeah, just checked, there is no rallycross Quattro in DiRT3, just the regular Group B one and the Pikes Peak one for trailblazer. From Group B rallycross cars DiRT3 only has the Metro 6R4 and the RS200

It was a long time ago I last played D3, but you could use it in RX races. No need to ponder over it though. The MG Metro and the  RS200 is where it's at anyway.

:tongue:

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zoliRX said:

Didzis said:

But yeah, just checked, there is no rallycross Quattro in DiRT3, just the regular Group B one and the Pikes Peak one for trailblazer. From Group B rallycross cars DiRT3 only has the Metro 6R4 and the RS200

It was a long time ago I last played D3, but you could use it in RX races. No need to ponder over it though. The MG Metro and the  RS200 is where it's at anyway.

:tongue:

I just started a new career in DiRT3, been playing for almost an hour now :D The RX class has modern RX cars mixed with some of the old ones (the 6R4 and RS200 to be specific), but those are the RX versions of those cars (no headlights, more power, etc). The rallycross race, where you can use the Quattro, uses regular group B rally cars

[RyuMakkuro 6]

bogani said:

That they won't feature liveries based on alcohol/tobaco is kinda obvious.

Still doesn't change the fact they aren't included ;)
Besides, the livery for the 2001 Impreza came in a version with "555" and yet it is included, so nothing stopping from including the versions of those liveries without the alcohol/tobaco manufacturers names. You know, replace Marlboro and Martini logo's with a name or manufacturer logo or something else, as they did IRL ;) Martini may be more of a pain since the stripes are a part of their branding, but the Marlboro one? Nothing stopping that one.

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Im quite disappointed that theres only 3 cars in the 2000cc. You could include the Lancer VI in there since it competed with the 2001 Focus and Impreza, but still it's just 3 cars of the same era.
They need to invest in the Peugeot 206 and the Citroen Xsara. Those 2 cars are enough to join the other 3 so we can have a proper class fight. I'm still disappointed that theres only 5 rallies, which is less than DiRT Rally. Ok there's infinite stages, but 5 rally locations are not enough to make a proper WRC-like championship. I really hope they push DLC after game release because the content at launch won't be enough for the game to survive beyond 6 months and I'm being generous.

It's time to make some money and keep this rally game alive until they finally get the WRC license to make a game without any licensing barriers. I'm still waiting for the day we see a full 2000cc class from the late 90s/early 2000s and the 14 rally locations to make an awesome championship. Say what you want but those 2000cc cars will always be the top 1 favourites of the general community and most asked, so it's really a shame they are not investing in that class. The recent WRC cars are faster and aren't as ugly as the previous generation but still they can't match the size and beauty of the pre-2000s.

[bogani 756]

RyuMakkuro said:

bogani said:

That they won't feature liveries based on alcohol/tobaco is kinda obvious.

Still doesn't change the fact they aren't included ;)
Besides, the livery for the 2001 Impreza came in a version with "555" and yet it is included, so nothing stopping from including the versions of those liveries without the alcohol/tobaco manufacturers names. You know, replace Marlboro and Martini logo's with a name or manufacturer logo or something else, as they did IRL ;) Martini may be more of a pain since the stripes are a part of their branding, but the Marlboro one? Nothing stopping that one.

Wat? I wouldn't call the SWRT livery a version of the 555 livery. The SWRT livery was the main livery of the cars since the 1999 season.

[zoliRX 3]

Didzis said:
I just started a new career in DiRT3, been playing for almost an hour now :D The RX class has modern RX cars mixed with some of the old ones (the 6R4 and RS200 to be specific), but those are the RX versions of those cars (no headlights, more power, etc). The rallycross race, where you can use the Quattro, uses regular group B rally cars

Ah, thanks for clearing that up!

AIPacino said:

Im quite disappointed that theres only 3 cars in the 2000cc. You could include the Lancer VI in there since it competed with the 2001 Focus and Impreza, but still it's just 3 cars of the same era.
They need to invest in the Peugeot 206 and the Citroen Xsara. Those 2 cars are enough to join the other 3 so we can have a proper class fight. I'm still disappointed that theres only 5 rallies, which is less than DiRT Rally. Ok there's infinite stages, but 5 rally locations are not enough to make a proper WRC-like championship. I really hope they push DLC after game release because the content at launch won't be enough for the game to survive beyond 6 months and I'm being generous.

It's time to make some money and keep this rally game alive until they finally get the WRC license to make a game without any licensing barriers. I'm still waiting for the day we see a full 2000cc class from the late 90s/early 2000s and the 14 rally locations to make an awesome championship. Say what you want but those 2000cc cars will always be the top 1 favourites of the general community and most asked, so it's really a shame they are not investing in that class. The recent WRC cars are faster and aren't as ugly as the previous generation but still they can't match the size and beauty of the pre-2000s.

I don't entirely disagree as I think it would be fantastic to see all those things in a DiRT game. You do however have to realize that there's only so much time and money to make a game. Not to mention the licenses and its headaches. I'd rather CM prioritizing quality over quantity - make the best game possible with what they've got while keep building on the foundations of DR & D4.

[P308R 28]

I think it is very good Codemasters has chosen a different route with Yourstage. It helps to create a unique gameplay experience rather than running the same stages over and over again. Also I prefer Codemasters to focus on getting licenses for certain cars rather than a complete official series. The WRC is to expensive and I find it hard to believe that with a license like that you can create a better game. With a license comes a loss in creative freedom and I think these days it is better to keep that creative freedom.

The cars could need some extras but it comes down to the preference of the players and rally petrol heads. The list that is out there has something for everyone and it is a good start :)

 Looking forward to the final list and if Dirt4 does well there will probably be DLC over which of course we can all complain...again.... :p ;)

[RyuMakkuro 6]

bogani said:

RyuMakkuro said:
came in a version with "555"

Wat? I wouldn't call the SWRT livery a version of the 555 livery. The SWRT livery was the main livery of the cars since the 1999 season.

Read what I wrote there again. I didn't said it was a version of 555 livery, but that it had a version of it that had the 555 branding. Small thing, makes a huge difference ;)


PS. I hate the formatting that is going on here currently. You need to edit the post after posting it to make it look doable and even then it still gets screwed over...

zoliRX said:
You do however have to realize that there's only so much time and money to make a game.

And this is the bit that is problematic, because they stopped supporting DiRT Rally just over a year ago. Even if the development on DiRT 4 started before that (and we know for a fact that the stage generator bit did along with the physics), it's still just over a year of actual full force development on the game.
Whatever anyone says, it reeks from a mile that the higher ups wanted to capitalize on the rally sim hype as much possible. So instead of releasing the game in 2018, at which point the game would probably be the game we all wanted with everything in it we asked for (ok, maybe lacking the helicopters xD) we get the quite common line of "we had to choose what to add to the game based on priority".

So the problem here is not that it takes time and money, but that the accountants figured out that they had to release the game while the hype is still there to have as big of a "guarantee" as possible that the game will sell really well.

[bogani 756]

RyuMakkuro said:

bogani said:

RyuMakkuro said:
came in a version with "555"

Wat? I wouldn't call the SWRT livery a version of the 555 livery. The SWRT livery was the main livery of the cars since the 1999 season.

Read what I wrote there again. I didn't said it was a version of 555 livery, but that it had a version of it that had the 555 branding. Small thing, makes a huge difference ;)


PS. I hate the formatting that is going on here currently. You need to edit the post after posting it to make it look doable and even then it still gets screwed over...

zoliRX said:
You do however have to realize that there's only so much time and money to make a game.

And this is the bit that is problematic, because they stopped supporting DiRT Rally just over a year ago. Even if the development on DiRT 4 started before that (and we know for a fact that the stage generator bit did along with the physics), it's still just over a year of actual full force development on the game.
Whatever anyone says, it reeks from a mile that the higher ups wanted to capitalize on the rally sim hype as much possible. So instead of releasing the game in 2018, at which point the game would probably be the game we all wanted with everything in it we asked for (ok, maybe lacking the helicopters xD) we get the quite common line of "we had to choose what to add to the game based on priority".

So the problem here is not that it takes time and money, but that the accountants figured out that they had to release the game while the hype is still there to have as big of a "guarantee" as possible that the game will sell really well.

And I only stated that it's obvious we wont get any tobacco/alcohol based liveries. Still stands ;)

On the latter part with getting the game we all wanted with everything in it, there is no such game. We always want more than we get. The developers always want to put more things in the game. It all comes down to what is viable economically. There are always going to be compromises.

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RyuMakkuro said:

And this is the bit that is problematic, because they stopped supporting DiRT Rally just over a year ago. Even if the development on DiRT 4 started before that (and we know for a fact that the stage generator bit did along with the physics), it's still just over a year of actual full force development on the game.
Whatever anyone says, it reeks from a mile that the higher ups wanted to capitalize on the rally sim hype as much possible. So instead of releasing the game in 2018, at which point the game would probably be the game we all wanted with everything in it we asked for (ok, maybe lacking the helicopters xD) we get the quite common line of "we had to choose what to add to the game based on priority".

So the problem here is not that it takes time and money, but that the accountants figured out that they had to release the game while the hype is still there to have as big of a "guarantee" as possible that the game will sell really well.

As is the way with pretty much any digital product. And if this continues to prove that people enjoy realistic rally sims, guess what, they'll likely be given more resources and time to make another with additional features.

Project CARS' development was eye opening for me. They effectively went through this process in the public eye, deciding what to cut from things they had started and trialled. People got angry with them for doing so, but personally I don't think it was justified, just a more transparent process (I was disappointed by the final product, but could understand how it was arrived at better).

Same issue with the furore about PC2. It was a normal development cycle, but announced earlier due to their business model and they received all sorts of criticism for it.

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RodgerDavies said:
As is the way with pretty much any digital product. And if this continues to prove that people enjoy realistic rally sims, guess what, they'll likely be given more resources and time to make another with additional features.

Not really. There are moments where a certain thing is trending.  People are not going to want a rally sim all the time, there will be a point where they'll want a racing sim, an arcade racer or a completely different genre altogether and any form of a game with cars in it won't be very popular. Them jumping on the hype train so quickly is a sure way to burn people a lot quicker on the rally sims. History proves me right in this instance.

As to SMS and pCARS... I'm glad they have such a business model and an open way of doing things. Them announcing pCARS 2 due to their business model so early made me reconsider buying pCARS and I'm glad it did, because pCARS 2 seems to be what pCARS was supposed to be in the first place.

bogani said:
On the latter part with getting the game we all wanted with everything in it, there is no such game. We always want more than we get. The developers always want to put more things in the game. It all comes down to what is viable economically. There are always going to be compromises.

Ok, bad choice of words there from me. What I meant is that we would get all the most highly requested features from the DiRT Rally Early Access. If they had that extra year to work, we would undoubtedly get an option to choose tires, the mythical replay save, longer stages (and I mean seriously longer, not just 1km more) etc.

Naturally the tech that is available now is the main limiting factor, which is why the next DiRT title after 4 will have some other stuff that they couldn't add here even when having more time. And that's probably why I'm getting a slight feeling from DiRT 4 that it's something that could easily be called a "2.0 update for DiRT Rally" rather than a completely new game, since it doesn't feel like they are pushing in with new tech (I don't mean stage generator, I mean the engine and what it allows), but more like using what they had with DR more efficiently.
It's not to say DiRT 4 ain't shaping to be a great game, just that it ain't as beautiful as some would like to believe. Compromises will indeed always happen, just that here they are... a bit too much for the resources they seem to have.

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RyuMakkuro said:

 I mean the engine and what it allows.

Aren't the ex-Evolution members working with a new engine for the new IP? They have been brought in last year and I can imagine it takes more work to smoothen out the engine and make it work with Codies racing games? It could explain why Dirt is still using the EGO engine (does it?) and the new racing IP is focussing on the use of the new engine. @KickUp also mentioned he would be visiting the other Codies team over de comming months a lot more. This "could" indicate that both teams are talking about the use of the new engine, development proces and how to implement features in their upcomming titles.

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P308R said:
Aren't the ex-Evolution members working with a new engine for the new IP? They have been brought in last year and I can imagine it takes more work to smoothen out the engine and make it work with Codies racing games?

That's exactly why I was hoping the game would be released in late 2018 on a new engine rather than what we have here. Oh well, for the next game I suppose.

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The thing is, they didn't really have to spend much time on development because according to the car list, 95% of the cars were already modeled from DR (and it's very likely that list is the final one), as most of the textures and leveling from rally stages that were imported from DR (Wales and Sweden), while they dropped 4 rally locations that were already modeled in DR (Monte Carlo, Germany, Finland and Greece).


All in all, they could've just taken the chunks of those rallies and incorporate them into Your Stage so we would have 9 rally locations instead of only 5, that means 3 new rally locations in total.

As for the missing 2000s 2000cc cars: the 206, Xsara and Evo VI(which is in), makes it 3 cars to develop.


I'm sure there was enough time and money to develop these and if we are to take Paul's ambition and determination into account, I'm really just believing this is a licensing issue in which case I blame FIA for it's stupidness and at the same time blame Codemasters for being afraid to take a step forward and get the licenses. It's frustrating when there's so much quality in the developers (like seen in DiRT Rally) but due to paperwork they can't finish their artwork. We had real stages with real cars and liveries and close to real physics, the game was perfect all it needed was more of it... and if DiRT 4 is going to follow the same path (with no DLC after launch, I'm not even going to call it DLC, I'd rather call it Expansion Packs) I'm afraid all the hype will be destroyed and people will get a bitter taste when DiRT 5 or whatever else gets announced.

At this point in order to have a proper championship we have to start playing DiRT Rally and then switch to DiRT 4 for Spain and Australia, since the cars are mostly the same except for the 2010s.

[SkyRex 417]

The fact you only mention Australia and Spain and not Michigan for a 'proper' Championship, together with the overlooking of improved physics (Aero especially), leads me to the suspicion, that what you really want is an official WRC game that isn't crap. But DiRT isn't that, it covers Rally as a whole sport, not just (actually not at all) the WRC. 

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Don't forget the different physics modelling on the cars.
Your understanding of how complex stage creation is, and of how your stage works Vs DRs stages, cause an issue with what you think should happen.

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SkyRex said:

The fact you only mention Australia and Spain and not Michigan for a 'proper' Championship, together with the overlooking of improved physics (Aero especially), leads me to the suspicion, that what you really want is an official WRC game that isn't crap. But DiRT isn't that, it covers Rally as a whole sport, not just (actually not at all) the WRC. 

All I wanted is resumed and portrayed in this video (don't focus on the video title, but on the video as a whole):



Something that Codemasters and Evolution Studios could do before, which by coincidence are part of the same team now. I'm not questioning their ability to do it, but the whole licensing and marketing bullshit preventing this game from being what it could be.
I'm sure Paul wants to have a rally game that fully covers the WRC golden times, but FIA licensing is butchering this game with its paperwork.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxUm5AFCORA


Don't take me for ungrateful, I'm still going to pre-order DiRT 4 and enjoy it to the max in pair with DiRT Rally for the most complete experience ;)

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The FIA has nothing to do with licensing the cars.

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dwkGravey said:

The FIA has nothing to do with licensing the cars.

It does with the WRC ones, as well as the real stages. That's why DR stages were not brought to D4 to join the Your Stage.

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AIPacino said:

dwkGravey said:

The FIA has nothing to do with licensing the cars.

It does with the WRC ones, as well as the real stages. That's why DR stages were not brought to D4 to join the Your Stage.

The manufacturers and/or WRC Promoter are responsible for licensing the cars. Codemasters' legal advised against bringing DR's stages to D4, again probably because it would cause issues with WRC Promoter, not the FIA.

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AIPacino said:

SkyRex said:

The fact you only mention Australia and Spain and not Michigan for a 'proper' Championship, together with the overlooking of improved physics (Aero especially), leads me to the suspicion, that what you really want is an official WRC game that isn't crap. But DiRT isn't that, it covers Rally as a whole sport, not just (actually not at all) the WRC. 

All I wanted is resumed and portrayed in this video (don't focus on the video title, but on the video as a whole):




Something that Codemasters and Evolution Studios could do before, which by coincidence are part of the same team now. I'm not questioning their ability to do it, but the whole licensing and marketing bullshit preventing this game from being what it could be.
I'm sure Paul wants to have a rally game that fully covers the WRC golden times, but FIA licensing is butchering this game with its paperwork.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxUm5AFCORA


Don't take me for ungrateful, I'm still going to pre-order DiRT 4 and enjoy it to the max in pair with DiRT Rally for the most complete experience ;)

I think this year is from the Golden Era Four Rallys four Winners, Four different manufacturers, and mmmm DiRT4