Dirt 4 / Logitech Driving Force GT

[TuliRally 0]

Hey everyone!
I wanted to make thread for wheel settings and for everyone to share their own.
First i suggest to try these settings that were found for Dirt Rally for a great starting point
http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/17307/logitech-driving-force-gt-recommended-ffb-settings/p1
*I would suggest to drop SAT to 55-65 with Dirt 4

My new settings are (Work in progress):
(Wheel feeling reminds of normal roadcar, for me it is really familiar and easy to drive)
LOGITECH PROFILER
OES = 100 % (little deadzone, but more stable and less clipping / ffb oscillations)
SES = 100 %
DES = 100 % (dampens / smoother ffb, gives static weight to wheel)
Centering spring = 37 % & On (ticked)
In-Game FFB
SAT = 35-37 
Wheel friction = 90 (5-100 / less is springy, more you have feels more dampened)
Tyre friction = 90 (same as above because still under research)
*Everything else is @ 100 %
Advanced wheel settings are default for this wheel
SOFT LOCK = Off (made wheel feel spongy, needs more testing)


Other setups...
☆You can also test using my prolifer settings and DR in-game settings (with SAT @ 37 % matching the centering spring percent)

☆Good feeling was also achied with using "Default" settigs and dropping SAT to 50%
Logitech profiler
Oes & Ses & Des = 100 %
Centering spring = On & 1 %
IN-GAME FFB
SAT 50
Everything else = 100 %

WORK IN PROGRESS

Edit: Quick reminder. It is important to have correct FOV values because it affects how you perceive FFB feel and wheel responsiveness. I suggest to use 1:1 correct or little bit more than mathematically correct FOV
For more info on FOV
http://www.projectimmersion.com/fov/perspective.php


Everyone is welcome to post your own settings here too!
(I would like to hear most realistic feeling setup / settings for this wheel that it can produce, if there is any IRL rally drivers out there using this wheel model, you are more than welcome to share your settings here :wink:?)

[l3g1oN 0]

i really struggle getting the driving wheel to work.
first of all i had some serious troubles like menu going crazy and pedals working as one - a fresh installation of profiler fixed that
can you turn your wheel the hole way ingame or only 90° left/right like me?

[TuliRally 0]

l3g1oN said:

i really struggle getting the driving wheel to work.
first of all i had some serious troubles like menu going crazy and pedals working as one - a fresh installation of profiler fixed that
can you turn your wheel the hole way ingame or only 90° left/right like me?

Sorry to hear that but good that it's fixed. In fact after updating profiler sometime ago, i've had only 180 degrees turn like you described. Everytime i start my computer i have to go to profiler wheel settings in Control Panel and press my pedals all the way then go to profiler settings where you set your Degrees of rotation to get my wheel to recognize 900 degrees.
Hope this helps.

[TuliRally 0]

@MarioVilas
Lets continue discussion here. Lets see if we can fix the problems you have

[MarioVilas 0]

@TuliRally
I'm here. Let's find a solution for this or should i instal again the Logitech drivers?

[TuliRally 0]

MarioVilas said:

@TuliRally
I'm here. Let's find a solution for this or should i instal again the Logitech drivers?

Could you describe couple things. Do you think overall that you can drive the car but it is too heavy, or does it feel way too heavy to even turn.
How did it feel with everything else default (Logitech profiler & in-game) except SAT turned to 50 %

With my latest setup i've looked several rally videos and try to match that look / feel. They see to be quite "heavyish" but not too heavy to turn. Before i get to drive real rally car i can only guess though how it should feel..

Ps. There is a problem i have only haad with DR and DiRT 4 and it is wheel oscillating by itself if i dont use centering spring a little and lowered SAT

[MarioVilas 0]

TuliRally said:

MarioVilas said:

@TuliRally
I'm here. Let's find a solution for this or should i instal again the Logitech drivers?

Could you describe couple things. Do you think overall that you can drive the car but it is too heavy, or does it feel way too heavy to even turn.
How did it feel with everything else default (Logitech profiler & in-game) except SAT turned to 50 %

With my latest setup i've looked several rally videos and try to match that look / feel. They see to be quite "heavyish" but not too heavy to turn. Before i get to drive real rally car i can only guess though how it should feel..

Ps. There is a problem i have only haad with DR and DiRT 4 and it is wheel oscillating by itself if i dont use centering spring a little and lowered SAT

1- I can drive the car with SAT at 30% with your settings but the FFB is not the same from country to country. In some places i feel it well and in others don't.

2- Default the FFB was very weak and the SAT very heavy.

With other games the wheel works fine. In Dirt Rally i have a great FFB.

[MarioVilas 0]

I'm gonna install the Logitech drivers again

[TuliRally 0]

MarioVilas said:

I'm gonna install the Logitech drivers again

MarioVilas said:

TuliRally said:

MarioVilas said:

@TuliRally
I'm here. Let's find a solution for this or should i instal again the Logitech drivers?

Could you describe couple things. Do you think overall that you can drive the car but it is too heavy, or does it feel way too heavy to even turn.
How did it feel with everything else default (Logitech profiler & in-game) except SAT turned to 50 %

With my latest setup i've looked several rally videos and try to match that look / feel. They see to be quite "heavyish" but not too heavy to turn. Before i get to drive real rally car i can only guess though how it should feel..

Ps. There is a problem i have only haad with DR and DiRT 4 and it is wheel oscillating by itself if i dont use centering spring a little and lowered SAT

1- I can drive the car with SAT at 30% with your settings but the FFB is not the same from country to country. In some places i feel it well and in others don't.

2- Default the FFB was very weak and the SAT very heavy.

With other games the wheel works fine. In Dirt Rally i have a great FFB.

What settings you use in DR. If i can match them in D4

Edit:
Use tuning also. Makes difference to the FFB in D4. Evo X really hard to drive without some tuning

[MarioVilas 0]

I don't understand nothing of tuning or car setup.

Dirt Rally:
Logitech Profiler:
OES: 100%
SES: 0%
DES: 0%
Centering Spring: 0%

In-Game:
SAT: 50%
Whell Friction: 57%
Tyer Fryction: 57%
Suspension: 150%
Tyre Slip: 70%
Collision: 100%
Soft Lock: 65% 
Steering Center: 100%

[TuliRally 0]

MarioVilas said:

I don't understand nothing of tuning or car setup.

Dirt Rally:
Logitech Profiler:
OES: 100%
SES: 0%
DES: 0%
Centering Spring: 0%

In-Game:
SAT: 50%
Whell Friction: 57%
Tyer Fryction: 57%
Suspension: 150%
Tyre Slip: 70%
Collision: 100%
Soft Lock: 65% 
Steering Center: 100%

Thx! I will try to match these tomorrow

For tuning, Read the physics discussion of d4, they have some nice setups there.
Generally put 
Dampers:
▪Front FAST BUMB: -2
▪Front rebound +1
▪Rear Fast bumb: -1
▪Rear rebound: +2
Or similarish differences in values. 

Camber -0.75
Front toe in 0.20 deg
Rear toe out -0.30
Differentials more rear biased
Soft front / firm rear spring
More open diffs...
Drop brake strength

I can check more tomorrow

EDIT: Btw does your wheel feel very light using your settings in DR when on straight? I feel i need to put atleast some resistance from centering spring or else it feels really plastic/light/toyish.. just wondering if the problem is in my wheel. I have 2x dfgt so will test these
Btw. Other games the FFB is generally better with DFGT than in DR or D4
Best games for good FFB are in my opinion:
RBR (NGP)
RACE07
RFACTOR 2
These felt most natural and similar to normal car which i'm used to. Also wheel behaviour looks similar to real onboard videos
Never had DR or D4 to feel similar to those

[MarioVilas 0]

TuliRally said:

MarioVilas said:

I don't understand nothing of tuning or car setup.

Dirt Rally:
Logitech Profiler:
OES: 100%
SES: 0%
DES: 0%
Centering Spring: 0%

In-Game:
SAT: 50%
Whell Friction: 57%
Tyer Fryction: 57%
Suspension: 150%
Tyre Slip: 70%
Collision: 100%
Soft Lock: 65% 
Steering Center: 100%

Thx! I will try to match these tomorrow

For tuning, Read the physics discussion of d4, they have some nice setups there.
Generally put 
Dampers:
▪Front FAST BUMB: -2
▪Front rebound +1
▪Rear Fast bumb: -1
▪Rear rebound: +2
Or similarish differences in values. 

Camber -0.75
Front toe in 0.20 deg
Rear toe out -0.30
Differentials more rear biased
Soft front / firm rear spring
More open diffs...
Drop brake strength

I can check more tomorrow

Thanks for your help :)

[TuliRally 0]

I Edited my previous post some more      

[MarioVilas 0]

TuliRally said:

I Edited my previous post some more      

Where can i find it?

[MarioVilas 0]

TuliRally said:

MarioVilas said:

I don't understand nothing of tuning or car setup.

Dirt Rally:
Logitech Profiler:
OES: 100%
SES: 0%
DES: 0%
Centering Spring: 0%

In-Game:
SAT: 50%
Whell Friction: 57%
Tyer Fryction: 57%
Suspension: 150%
Tyre Slip: 70%
Collision: 100%
Soft Lock: 65% 
Steering Center: 100%

Thx! I will try to match these tomorrow

For tuning, Read the physics discussion of d4, they have some nice setups there.
Generally put 
Dampers:
▪Front FAST BUMB: -2
▪Front rebound +1
▪Rear Fast bumb: -1
▪Rear rebound: +2
Or similarish differences in values. 

Camber -0.75
Front toe in 0.20 deg
Rear toe out -0.30
Differentials more rear biased
Soft front / firm rear spring
More open diffs...
Drop brake strength

I can check more tomorrow

EDIT: Btw does your wheel feel very light using your settings in DR when on straight? I feel i need to put atleast some resistance from centering spring or else it feels really plastic/light/toyish.. just wondering if the problem is in my wheel. I have 2x dfgt so will test these
Btw. Other games the FFB is generally better with DFGT than in DR or D4
Best games for good FFB are in my opinion:
RBR (NGP)
RACE07
RFACTOR 2
These felt most natural and similar to normal car which i'm used to. Also wheel behaviour looks similar to real onboard videos
Never had DR or D4 to feel similar to those

Yes... in Dirt Rally when you go straight the wheel fell very light, but i like that way. But in Dirt 4 is worst

[MarioVilas 0]

Malyngo said:

MarioVilas said:

I'm gonna install the Logitech drivers again

You mentioned in another thread that your brother needs to reinstall the drivers every time when repuggling the wheel.
Is he on Windows 10? There is an issue with the DFGT on Windows 10, that it won't get recognized correctly (but mostly only happens after windows updates).
There is a workaround instead of reinstalling the whole Logitech profiler. Go to Device manager, choose your wheel (Should be an entry Logitech Driving Force GT), select "Update Driver", select "choose Driver myself". There should be 2 recommended drivers you can select. One is named like your wheel, the other one is "USB Input Device". Do NOT choose the name of your wheel, but choose the "USB Input device".

This fixed it for me every time I had the issue, and just takes a minute or so.

Here is a video where someone describes the steps for the G27 (which has the same issue on Win 10):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV0kYPRLboE

Hello! 
Yes... my brother use Windows 10 like me, but i don't have that problem and i have the same wheel.
Can you tell me if you have a good FFB with your wheel on Dirt 4?
Thanks for your help! :)

[MarioVilas 0]

Malyngo said:

I have a new wheel since a few weeks, but started out with the DFGT also in Dirt 4.

My settings were all standard in game, 107% force strength in the Logitech profiler, I think a bit lower values for Dampening and the other value (lower than 100%) and no centering force (this should be done by SAT in game, imo, as centering of the wheel to 0 position while in slides is just wrong).

Felt quite good to me, better than what I had in Dirt Rally.
Oscillation on the wheel is something I think can't be gone around, because it will also have to get feelings accross you would normally get from your bum. So to get bumps in the road or ABS braking across, the wheel has to "vibrate", and this is done by oscillation on most FFB wheels.

It's that i've tryed everything starting in the Logitech profiler ending in game sliders. I cannot get a good FFB like in Dirt Rally where i feel everything.

[MarioVilas 0]

Malyngo said:

Oh, and what I forgot to mention: full 900° of rotation. If you lower that down, you probably want to also reduce some of the ffb sliders.

Also, if your wheel in Windows 10 doesn't look in the Logitech profiler exactly as your hardware, but looks kinda blue, than you need to do what the guy says in the video I posted above.

Thanks for the post :) I Appreciate it.
My wheel works fine with Windows 10

[TuliRally 0]

MarioVilas said:

I don't understand nothing of tuning or car setup.

Dirt Rally:
Logitech Profiler:
OES: 100%
SES: 0%
DES: 0%
Centering Spring: 0%

In-Game:
SAT: 50%
Whell Friction: 57%
Tyer Fryction: 57%
Suspension: 150%
Tyre Slip: 70%
Collision: 100%
Soft Lock: 65% 
Steering Center: 100%

Okay, so today finally had time to test this. 
I drove with your setting in DR for an hour and then try to mimic that feeling with DiRT4. 
I used Dirtfish academy for this test.
First of D4 has stronger SAT from the box so i had to lower it to 40.
What i noticed right from the start was that the suspension "rumble" was missing and with your light settings i found it was almost a necessity to get the feeling of road surface.
Otherwise D4 felt (for me atleast) similar to DR, but "better"/"realistic". 
I used OES from profiler at 107% and it gave some more feeling about the road surface and car when coupled with suspension pumped up to 150%.

I'm still working on this..

Profiler 
OES 107%
*SES 0% 
*DES 0%

*these are needed to feel more wheel weight and tyre friction. Still experimenting with these

IN-Game
-SAT 40% (30-40%)
-Wheel weight 100 (gives some feeling for wheel on straights)
-Tyre friction 100 (seems to give better feeling when sliding etc. "Rumble" and better resistance when forcing wheels to turn)
-Suspension 100
-Tire spin 100 (gives feedback (rumble) when backtires are sliding
-others at 100

I would like to hear what you feel is missing with D4 compared to DR to help you better. Is it the suspension rumble missing or something else etc..

EDIT: Next i will try to match these without suspensiom rumble..
I don't think these setrings for D4 can be matched 1:1 compared to DR, but the important forces probably can be. I Think the FFB is that much different
 *Reason why i use different settings to yours (with centering spring etc.) is that i have found out that i can get similar feeling from almost every game when using my settings because sims usually have same basic forces and rest depends on my settings. This might be something i will change though but usually games give me similar FFB feeling which i really like.

[TuliRally 0]

@MarioVilas
One more thing that came to mind was that check you have not accidentally put dirt4.exe to compatibility mode and you have same FOV settings in both. Dirt 4 has bigger fov when on max than DR.
And check that you don't havemodded FFB for DR installed
What else.. 

I'm now testing more. Now without suspension effects

[MarioVilas 0]

@TuliRally
Thanks for your help. I will test it soon when i have everything installed. I just isntalled a fresh copy from Windows 10. I will keep you posted. :)

[TuliRally 0]

MarioVilas said:

@TuliRally
Thanks for your help. I will test it soon when i have everything installed. I just isntalled a fresh copy from Windows 10. I will keep you posted. :)

After couple of hours playing with your setup and then in D4 i think that ingnoring *EDIT:(Lowering it to 0%)* suspension setting might help you to get them as similar as possible and then adding suspension setting as last.

I used same settings as you have in DR and it for me felt same as in DR (basic forces atleast), but it had more stronger SAT and no suspension rumble.
Try it with 30-40% and tes with OES 107%
You should also test lowering OES on profiler because sometimes that might make FFB more clear (because of clipping might happen when ser too high),i didn't have time today to test it.

You could try to leave everything else @ 100 and lower SAT 30% and center spring to 30% 
It is not the same you have in DR put should be nice to drive. 
Then if you want more feeling from your wheel and lighter in the middle drop Wheel weight and tyre friction to 25%
Oh, and try to put SES 50% & DES 35% or both 100%. It feels different. I think DFGT needs those compared to other stronger wheels

[MarioVilas 0]

@TuliRally
Can you tell me what are your settings for Richard Burns Rally, please? Thanks.

[TuliRally 0]

MarioVilas said:

@TuliRally
Can you tell me what are your settings for Richard Burns Rally, please? Thanks.

First i want to mention that after you talked about need to be using 30% SAT with my settings, i tried it my self. Then i went to watch some more onboards to see examples. While using 30% SAT My wheel felt light at first but it drove quite nicely so i tested some more.. and had to put some more higher values. 55 % SAT etc..

Well today i had time to see what settings i had in RBR, because have not played it for 9 months. 
My Logitech Profiler settings were
▪OES / SES / DES @ 110%
▪Centering spring @ 35
▪Rotation was 635°

▪Ingame FFB was at middle (10 steps), but felt good in up or down a little.
I think you should try it with 5 steps if you like it lighter.
It felt really nice and i also use
▪792° from the in game tuning, springs>steering> steerinc lock but probably will work better with 635°

Then i tested D4. Wow... i dont know if something has been awol with my profiler but it felt heavier than before (even yesterday). I started to wonder if my earlier setup was too heavy for you because my wheel was not somehow working peoperly.. need to test his more tomorrow.

Then i put similarly settings as i had in RBR to D4:
▪Profiler same as in rbr
▪In-game D4:
▪SAT 30
▪Tyre feiction 30
▪Everything else 100

It felt almost similar to RBR and really nice (not so raw but that might be achievable, by lowering wheel friction etc..)


Conclusion:
RBR has really nice raw FFB and it acts really similarly to RL onboards..

D4 was really good too now with same settings.
No soft lock and set  rotation from profiler to 635° (important changes for me.)
Keep SAT and tyre friction same amount and those +-5% to centering spring.

I suggest you to try these settings and also to test changing SAT & tyre friction & centering spring to a lower value (20% etc) for a lighter feel

I'm happy with these new settings for now!

Sorry for any misspellings.. too tired to write

[MarioVilas 0]

@TuliRally
Thanks for everything you are doing with me. Trying to help. Thank you for your patience ;) But i left Dirt 4 aside. Now i am playing Richard Burns Rally. After the latest D4 update my prefererences on Dirt 4 and Dirt Rally won't save. So, for now, i will not play those tittles till they fix it.
Thanks a lot for everything ;)