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[DiRT 4] Constructive feedback on the subject of car-feel and physics: The Ultimate Thread

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This isn't just working in DirtFish.  I'll try the evo now

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Yeah, works well on the Evo.  I drove it in 'normal' guise & it's awful 

Made my changes,
Mental car - It's actually making me smile!

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dgeesi0 said:
escort mk2 of course on wales.then scooby 2001 on wales.

I have the Mk2 feeling mad again, Evo is a mental car, I had to tone it down to get through a stage without ending up wrapped round a tree lol

I even prefer the R5 car with the tweak.  I'll try Impreza now

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Impreza ain't too bad out of the box.

i think Codies have made an improvement with their physics settings but haven't thought the consequences through and shipped the game with the old DiRT Rally tuning settings.  I believe these need altered to suit the new changes

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Ill leave this here. My take on EVO VI. Setup. Not 100% amazing but it feels good. https://youtu.be/MqStMQ8dNjk

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Here's a quick 2 mins fast upload.

Mk2 Wales:-
https://youtu.be/hhfjHLR6oyI

Yer mans swinging arms look a bit exaggerated but you can see when the car is on the power & opposite lock together.  No mid corner understeer wash-outs

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It also does not power understeer super bad. I couldnt even drive the evo with default. And i had plans to loosin the rear diff. I think it will help even more

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Mystx24 said:
It also does not power understeer super bad. I couldnt even drive the evo with default. And i had plans to loosin the rear diff. I think it will help
I see from your video that you decided to go -9 after all :smile:  I can't believe that more people haven't tried it as driving a car with a wheel in D4 and having a large DOR and not changing linearity feels like you are in control of a 100mph tub of jelly. 

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madwak said:
Mystx24 said:
It also does not power understeer super bad. I couldnt even drive the evo with default. And i had plans to loosin the rear diff. I think it will help
I see from your video that you decided to go -9 after all :smile:  I can't believe that more people haven't tried it as driving a car with a wheel in D4 and having a large DOR and not changing linearity feels like you are in control of a 100mph tub of jelly. 
Yep i agree once wheel feel is good game drastically changes

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I, on the other hand, can't believe people are messing with steering linearity at all!  Zero or nothing here :)

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KevM said:
I, on the other hand, can't believe people are messing with steering linearity at all!  Zero or nothing here :)
If i had not changed it i would of quit by now

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Mystx24 said:
KevM said:
I, on the other hand, can't believe people are messing with steering linearity at all!  Zero or nothing here :)
If i had not changed it i would of quit by now
Me too.

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KevM said:
I, on the other hand, can't believe people are messing with steering linearity at all!  Zero or nothing here :)
Have you ever seen kids bowling using bumper rails to guide the ball to the pins?  That's what it feels like for me on tarmac stages if I use Steering Linearity at Zero. :o

I 100% agree that it shouldn't be that way though - certainly not in Simulation mode. That in itself to me, says something is seriously wrong on a fundamental level.

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  My first post may have been missed so I'll sum it up. The issue on this game that everyone is having is that the lateral grip is way too high. Now games have an issue of balancing out how fast a car is taking a corner and how much the car is sliding. Like arcade games like ridge racer you can take a medium corner at really high speeds and drive through the corner like you aren't sliding but visually the car is sideways.
  Also we all need to agree that the issue has nothing to do with tires digging because tires don't dig but they do the opposite. They can produce a sink effect when a car is stopped on sand or mud because the car can't grip to get forward momentum instead tires spin and displace mud towards the rear of the car and in some cases if people push the car and get the car rocking the tires will finally climb out and continue forward until the driver slows down or tires start spinning too much.
  The issue could be that STM is still on and bogs the car down to straighten the car asap, but it does seem to be a deeper problem which isn't as simple as turning an assist off. Maybe too much grip on tires or a weight balance issue or more than one factor is causing the gripping issue.

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I'll try and get a few replays of the Mk2 & Evo later

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KevM said:
Here's a quick 2 mins fast upload.

Mk2 Wales:-
https://youtu.be/hhfjHLR6oyI

Yer mans swinging arms look a bit exaggerated but you can see when the car is on the power & opposite lock together.  No mid corner understeer wash-outs
Still not really the behaviour we want though. That is more yanking the steering so that the rear breaks loose for a brief period of time. Not so much on throttle oversteer.

It's so obvious as the front end of the car has the grip to change direction almost without any slip at all, making it behave extremely twitchy. You really shouldn't have to provoke the rear as much as you have do here.

Still think it's the stages themselves. I got the Ascona 400 feeling fckn fantastic on Dirtfish by just changing the final gear ratio to lowest possible. 160km/h is enough, why the hell would we need 240km/h?? But as usually, trying the same setup in Wales or Australia there is something just hampering the on throttle oversteer. It's a half ass powerslide or a insta spin. Nothing in between.

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Here's my run with the group b quattro today, winning the daily event at the moment even though i had a spin towards the end.. Car was feeling quite ok for dirt 4 standards, still have to be careful about the rear because you just cant really get a manageable oversteer, its either on rails or snapping oversteer. Setup thrown together in 5 shakedowns before the stage.

https://youtu.be/kRP5mpljUg8

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bogani said:
KevM said:
Here's a quick 2 mins fast upload.

Mk2 Wales:-
https://youtu.be/hhfjHLR6oyI

Yer mans swinging arms look a bit exaggerated but you can see when the car is on the power & opposite lock together.  No mid corner understeer wash-outs
Still not really the behaviour we want though. That is more yanking the steering so that the rear breaks loose for a brief period of time. Not so much on throttle oversteer.

It's so obvious as the front end of the car has the grip to change direction almost without any slip at all, making it behave extremely twitchy. You really shouldn't have to provoke the rear as much as you have do here.

Still think it's the stages themselves. I got the Ascona 400 feeling fckn fantastic on Dirtfish by just changing the final gear ratio to lowest possible. 160km/h is enough, why the hell would we need 240km/h?? But as usually, trying the same setup in Wales or Australia there is something just hampering the on throttle oversteer. It's a half ass powerslide or a insta spin. Nothing in between.
Like I say, the animation makes it look frantic, it's really nice in the hands tho.  Like DR with weight.  Y'no me, I'd like less grip, but I'm starting to understand what needs done 

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