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I got both of these games within 2 weeks of each other on the ps4. I got my wheel out and dirt 4 is for kids and dirt rally beats it in every department hands down. You just cannot beat dirt rally! Its got everything!. The graphics are better with much more surfaces and different texture types, the rain looks better, the cars look more real, the crowds are bigger, the snow looks better, the tracks are hand done and not generic, the feeling of rallying and actually thinking you are on a real rally on dirt rally, is completely unrivalled, it sounds better, has gravel hitting the car more, better water splashes, more detail and marshals, better handling, better physics, bigger lifespan which has a unbeatable atmosphere. I cannot begin to think why codemasters didnt make dirt rally expansions or dirt rally 2, before dirt 4, because dirt 4 just cannot compare to real rallying on dirt rally, its edge of the seat stuff and dirt 4 has none of it. I traded in dirt 4 the next day and kept dirt rally, and i am by no means an expert at it yet, but any fool can see its a STAR, whereas dirt 4 is the flop.

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Definitely seems like the dirt rally graphics are better in some aspects, don't know why that is though. It should be the opposite. Car handling seems much different even when using the same class of cars in each game. 

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The only thing DR has on D4 is those gorgeous dynamic shadows. I think the PBR (or might-as-well-be-PBR) in D4 makes up for it though, any stage in any state of wetness is just the most amazing looking track I've ever seen in a game.

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dsiOne said:
The only thing DR has on D4 is those gorgeous dynamic shadows. I think the PBR (or might-as-well-be-PBR) in D4 makes up for it though, any stage in any state of wetness is just the most amazing looking track I've ever seen in a game.

Dont agree with you, dirt 4 shadows are fake and not like a real car and track would look like. As for the tracks in dirt 4, boring, generic and gets old to easily. I have to say dirt 3 was a better game than dirt 4 in my view, dirt 4 reeks of budget titles. I just for the life of me cannot think of any reason why someone who loves rallying would choose dirt 4 over DR, its inferior in every regard.

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I agree with everything you said. After few hours of excitement, as normal when you play a new game, I got disappointed by almost everything. Starting with the graphics, the poor Rally content with 5 locations only, the quality of the stages, the car handling, the career mode etc...The only thing I like better in D4, is the sound, and the return of legendary Nick Grist. Wish they had made DiRT Rally 2 instead...

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I still think DiRT2 was the best game, then DiRT3. DiRT Rally/DiRT4 get a third place, they both are good but just not as good as DiRT2 and DiRT3. Keep in mind DiRT2 is from 2009 and the first (imo) in the DiRT series that looked and felt good.

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I have yet to see a screenshot comparison with comparable location, time/weather and car that points to what exactly makes DR looking superior to D4. (besides the missing dynamic shadows at night in D4)

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I think most people who loved Dirt Rally will be a little disappointed with Dirt 4. But it's easy to forget, me included, that Dirt 4 is in no way a direct sequel to Dirt Rally - that's what I had to shake off and remember that this title has to be more accessible to non rally nerds. Your Stage will surely improve with time and hopefully Codemasters can find a justification to release a Dirt Rally 2 with a similar handling model to the original and some new locations with real rally stages again.

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Jack4688 said:
I think most people who loved Dirt Rally will be a little disappointed with Dirt 4. But it's easy to forget, me included, that Dirt 4 is in no way a direct sequel to Dirt Rally - that's what I had to shake off and remember that this title has to be more accessible to non rally nerds. Your Stage will surely improve with time and hopefully Codemasters can find a justification to release a Dirt Rally 2 with a similar handling model to the original and some new locations with real rally stages again.

You know its odd, when i got dirt rally the handling was way to sim for me but all i did was turn on all assists and calibrate my wheel and the handling is much much better and more stable. I dont think dirt 4 has too bad handling and i am not one for sim extreme handling, but my point is the visuals of dirt rally and country settings are unbeatable. What i mean by that is its truly believeable in dirt rally that you are rallying in a real rally in rteal countries, whilst dirt 4 isnt. Surely thats what rallying is all about, atmosphere and reality and dirt rally beats dirt 4 hands down. On the other hand if you dont like real rallying too much and more of a generic track, arcade experience then dirt 4 may get you. I just cannot get over that feeling when your driving the subaru in that gorgeous blue livery, screaming down wales through water splashes, huge crowds watching you, not able to know if you will mess the stage up in the pouring rain or not, and how that is an amazing feeling to have. I feel let down by dirt 4 and thats why i got rid the next day. Dirt rally will be played for years to come, but will dirt 4? But as i said, each to there own. The biggest problem codies made was genric tracks on the editor and not hand made, was the biggest flaw for me as i got bored so fast. Luckily i was able to get my money back and keep dirt rally.

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I have yet to see a screenshot comparison with comparable location, time/weather and car that points to what exactly makes DR looking superior to D4. (besides the missing dynamic shadows at night in D4)
I've done a few (Not great) comparisons, and yeah D4 is definitely miles better. I really don't understand why people say it looks worse, especially the rain! LOL :D
The rain in DR sucks.

Also, the physics in DR are ALL KINDS of funky. I still just love how throughout DR's lifespan everyone gave it flak for being funky (rightly so) and got all upset that it wasn't sim enough or whatever, but now apparently after making no changes whatsoever it's the pinnacle. It's great.

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JZStudios said:
I still just love how throughout DR's lifespan everyone gave it flak for being funky (rightly so) and got all upset that it wasn't sim enough or whatever, but now apparently after making no changes whatsoever it's the pinnacle.
QFT :lol:

Dirt 4 lets me put my name, flag, and number on the car, and I can drive to the marshal at time control. GOTY.

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dwkGravey said:
JZStudios said:
I still just love how throughout DR's lifespan everyone gave it flak for being funky (rightly so) and got all upset that it wasn't sim enough or whatever, but now apparently after making no changes whatsoever it's the pinnacle.
QFT :lol:

Dirt 4 lets me put my name, flag, and number on the car, and I can drive to the marshal at time control. GOTY.
Well said @JZStudios, well said. 

@dwkGravey not like that when you go through DR suggestion box history these are 65% of suggestions....but I've heard Codies are not listetning to feedback.  /s

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JZStudios said:
I've done a few (Not great) comparisons, and yeah D4 is definitely miles better. I really don't understand why people say it looks worse, especially the rain! LOL :D
The rain in DR sucks.

Also, the physics in DR are ALL KINDS of funky. I still just love how throughout DR's lifespan everyone gave it flak for being funky (rightly so) and got all upset that it wasn't sim enough or whatever, but now apparently after making no changes whatsoever it's the pinnacle. It's great.
I always quite liked the way cars handled in Dirt Rally - difficult, but worth trying to master. But the weather effects are definitely an improvement on Dirt 4.


You know its odd, when i got dirt rally the handling was way to sim for me but all i did was turn on all assists and calibrate my wheel and the handling is much much better and more stable. I dont think dirt 4 has too bad handling and i am not one for sim extreme handling, but my point is the visuals of dirt rally and country settings are unbeatable. What i mean by that is its truly believeable in dirt rally that you are rallying in a real rally in rteal countries, whilst dirt 4 isnt. Surely thats what rallying is all about, atmosphere and reality and dirt rally beats dirt 4 hands down. On the other hand if you dont like real rallying too much and more of a generic track, arcade experience then dirt 4 may get you. I just cannot get over that feeling when your driving the subaru in that gorgeous blue livery, screaming down wales through water splashes, huge crowds watching you, not able to know if you will mess the stage up in the pouring rain or not, and how that is an amazing feeling to have. I feel let down by dirt 4 and thats why i got rid the next day. Dirt rally will be played for years to come, but will dirt 4? But as i said, each to there own. The biggest problem codies made was genric tracks on the editor and not hand made, was the biggest flaw for me as i got bored so fast. Luckily i was able to get my money back and keep dirt rally.
As good as Dirt 4 is in all aspects that is the reason I've sold my copy - I'd much prefer driving on real stages (as per racing games where genuine Grand Prix tracks or slightly obscure circuits a la Project Cars are a big attraction to playing these games) with genuine character multiple times rather than something where you're always aware of the same corners coming up regularly. But having just those two options an unlikely scenario - we're likely to see an improvement on Your Stage over the years that will address the current flaws, but right now it's not for me.

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True, but difficult ≠ realistic. Yeah, sure it's fun, but physics were still funky. Cars shouldn't curve through the air and a pile of mud/loose rocks and dirt shouldn't pop tires and make your car do a full frontflip before driving off. Not to mention the completely different physics/ffb for each discipline. D4 doesn't have those problems.

So, again our irritation is that there's now like 4 or 5 people that don't own the game still cruising the forum talking about how terrible it is. Sure you guys can be disappointed, but at the point where I've returned a game and gotten my money back, that's the exact point where I forget about that game.
The your stage is a bit repetitive for including the same corners 2 or 3 times in a rally... but if you can memorize those I just can't figure how you can't memorize DRs... sure, the stages are better made, but that distinctness also makes them memorable. Not to mention there's really only two stages per location, and most people stick to two or three locations since the others just aren't very good or have terrible physics.
I just don't get it, after months of not playing DR, with a low total hours played, I can still go in and play through Greece from memory. I've only got like 70 hours in the game.

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Wanted to love Dirt 4, a lot. But it's inferior in every department to dirt rally - I was hoping the two games would complement each other but D4 actually is just a very expensive, lower quality and poorer value for money imitation.

and that's why I sold it and went back to dirt rally which feels better than ever now

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JZStudios said:
True, but difficult ≠ realistic. Yeah, sure it's fun, but physics were still funky. Cars shouldn't curve through the air and a pile of mud/loose rocks and dirt shouldn't pop tires and make your car do a full frontflip before driving off. Not to mention the completely different physics/ffb for each discipline. D4 doesn't have those problems.

So, again our irritation is that there's now like 4 or 5 people that don't own the game still cruising the forum talking about how terrible it is. Sure you guys can be disappointed, but at the point where I've returned a game and gotten my money back, that's the exact point where I forget about that game.
The your stage is a bit repetitive for including the same corners 2 or 3 times in a rally... but if you can memorize those I just can't figure how you can't memorize DRs... sure, the stages are better made, but that distinctness also makes them memorable. Not to mention there's really only two stages per location, and most people stick to two or three locations since the others just aren't very good or have terrible physics.
I just don't get it, after months of not playing DR, with a low total hours played, I can still go in and play through Greece from memory. I've only got like 70 hours in the game.
By no means am I saying Dirt Rally was a sim because if how difficult I found it, but my point was I just liked the difficulty of it and the challenge of each car's handling nuances.

I think there's a difference between people who no longer own the game and are trashing it on these forums and people who no longer own the game but hope to provide constructive feedback. Whether someone still had the game in their possession when they voice an opinion is neither here nor there.

Also I'm not aware of anyone stating that the Dirt Rally stages are unmemorisable and that the Your Stage creations are, rather some people are expressing frustration that a string of corners appear often in one stage. It's simply a preference for either a different total route from point A to point B, when comparing stage A to stage B, or for stages that give a perception of greater variety between point A to point B - but it's all relative to each gamer.

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I like both of them. I put DR in slot last night and took the Alpine down the twisty hairpins in Greece. Man was that fun . Before that I finished the Monthly event in D4. Honestly if I start noticing the same corner too many times I just put the fog on, that changes everything  :) 

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I love the fact they're totally different. They're both tremendous games and i feel quite privileged to have two very good titles to swap between, we didnt have a single decent rally title on this gen of console untill SLRE came out so it was a long wait 

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Dirt 4 big title one big crash especially on Xbox One and PC platforms... on XB1 you mast pay for not finished with technical problems game like low FPS, water effects, small cars any from the modern WRC, stage creator is the best because you can generate a thousand times with different options your stage and you will be get same looking corners, hills, gates just like copy and paste low quality job. Physics are not great like in Dirt Rally behind on the corner coming WRC 7 and Project Cars 2 with RX and looks fantastic so how you can solve this Codemasters when you already had a sell broken game who destroy rallying fun and you ask for this 40£. On my opinion this game is a joke. I Don't care about many new age kids here who like arcade rally without real physics. For me only properly sim just the same how seriously and challenging this rally sport is. This is my opinion and coming from the my long experience withe the rally last 20 years.

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JZStudios said:
True, but difficult ≠ realistic. Yeah, sure it's fun, but physics were still funky. Cars shouldn't curve through the air and a pile of mud/loose rocks and dirt shouldn't pop tires and make your car do a full frontflip before driving off. Not to mention the completely different physics/ffb for each discipline. D4 doesn't have those problems.

So, again our irritation is that there's now like 4 or 5 people that don't own the game still cruising the forum talking about how terrible it is. Sure you guys can be disappointed, but at the point where I've returned a game and gotten my money back, that's the exact point where I forget about that game.
The your stage is a bit repetitive for including the same corners 2 or 3 times in a rally... but if you can memorize those I just can't figure how you can't memorize DRs... sure, the stages are better made, but that distinctness also makes them memorable. Not to mention there's really only two stages per location, and most people stick to two or three locations since the others just aren't very good or have terrible physics.
I just don't get it, after months of not playing DR, with a low total hours played, I can still go in and play through Greece from memory. I've only got like 70 hours in the game.
Memorable stages in DR or not but it's giving much much more fun and fantastic technically corners, jumps, scenery, track realistic not like in Dirt 4 where yoy feel like in world of creation copy and paste it's tragedy crushed, jumps, coners totally low quality job. I can drive 100 times any stage in DR and always give me a smile on my face but in Dirt 4 I don't find any WOW. I stay with rallying in games and my private life form the early 90s when many of the gamers here had a couple years old and 3 games ColinMc Rae Rally 97, RBR and Dirt Rally and over. Dirt 4 should be easy pure arcade category easy fast cheap game for... 20£

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 Dirt 4 is for the average driver! Dirt rally is for the more advanced driver! I'll guarantee they sell more dirt 4 copies than Dirt rally! 

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Jack4688 said:
JZStudios said:
True, but difficult ≠ realistic. Yeah, sure it's fun, but physics were still funky. Cars shouldn't curve through the air and a pile of mud/loose rocks and dirt shouldn't pop tires and make your car do a full frontflip before driving off. Not to mention the completely different physics/ffb for each discipline. D4 doesn't have those problems.

So, again our irritation is that there's now like 4 or 5 people that don't own the game still cruising the forum talking about how terrible it is. Sure you guys can be disappointed, but at the point where I've returned a game and gotten my money back, that's the exact point where I forget about that game.
The your stage is a bit repetitive for including the same corners 2 or 3 times in a rally... but if you can memorize those I just can't figure how you can't memorize DRs... sure, the stages are better made, but that distinctness also makes them memorable. Not to mention there's really only two stages per location, and most people stick to two or three locations since the others just aren't very good or have terrible physics.
I just don't get it, after months of not playing DR, with a low total hours played, I can still go in and play through Greece from memory. I've only got like 70 hours in the game.
By no means am I saying Dirt Rally was a sim because if how difficult I found it, but my point was I just liked the difficulty of it and the challenge of each car's handling nuances.

I think there's a difference between people who no longer own the game and are trashing it on these forums and people who no longer own the game but hope to provide constructive feedback. Whether someone still had the game in their possession when they voice an opinion is neither here nor there.

Also I'm not aware of anyone stating that the Dirt Rally stages are unmemorisable and that the Your Stage creations are, rather some people are expressing frustration that a string of corners appear often in one stage. It's simply a preference for either a different total route from point A to point B, when comparing stage A to stage B, or for stages that give a perception of greater variety between point A to point B - but it's all relative to each gamer.
Sure, but a lot of the stages in DR run through the same junctions as well. Again, sure, they could just add in some code that prevents your stage from making corners appear twice in a single rally, but if you do more than 2 events (on the longer stages) of DR then your also guaranteed to see the same corners again, but always in the same order. It just doesn't make sense to me. No one even really says that the stage dynamics were better in DR or anything along those lines, just that somehow those same 2 routes are less repeated. You can run the Nurburgring a million times, but it's still always the same track.

I think giving opinions on something you don't own in a thread named (whatever product) is garbage is pretty relevant. It's frankly hard for us to honestly care, much less take it seriously. It's a line of thought I don't understand. It's literally just a thread full of people who don't own it saying how much it sucks. It's not room for improvement or anything useful. It's just fun to come rile em up.

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New here.  I picked up both games at the same time with little information about them and assumed D4 would be the superior game since it's newer.  I've only started DR and absolutely love it. I'm sure I'll enjoy D4 when I get around to it, but how about if CM develops a sequel to DR?  Like DR2?  

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