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The prospect of a title race turning into a whipping contest around mid-season doesn't become more appealing to me because it happened before, I can tell you that.

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Jiggy said:
The prospect of a title race turning into a whipping contest around mid-season doesn't become more appealing to me because it happened before, I can tell you that.
That wasn't my point.

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The prospect of a title race turning into a whipping contest around mid-season doesn't become more appealing to me because it happened before, I can tell you that.
That wasn't my point.
Then what was it?

Like, I get that "just accept it for what it is, this is also F1" is the healthy thing to do, but I want my ultimate title fight between two drivers from different teams dammit.

I hate it when championships ends in an anti-climatic manner. I need my final battle man. Still not over that one time where it looked like we could've had Ferrari vs. McLaren vs. Mercedes vs. Red Bull, which turned out to be 4 years of mostly VETTEL WINS LOL.

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Some of you guys are way too quick in writing Ferrari off. Also, F1 didn't need Vettel dominating the 2nd half of 2013, but he did. And guess what: The sport survived, even though many, many people had enough of seeing the same guy and the same team win over and over again. It happens, and if it happens to be a team/driver you don't support, you just have to grit your teeth and get through it. I had to, many others had to. That's life.
Considering how Ferrari dropped the ball for the past 8 seasons, I don't think I am. The thing is, they bring upgrade after upgrade and if anything, it looks like the Merc is looking better after every round so far, so not exactly encouraging signs there.

As for the 2013 domination of Seb, you can blame Pirelli for that, let's not forget that. They switched the tyre compounds and boom, Seb went on an almost disgusting win streak.

Another problem is, who is going to stop Mercedes if they walk away with it again? Red Bull was stopped by a regulation change, as was Ferrari, as was pretty much every dominating team. We already had a big regulation change, what's next then?
There isn't going to be one for some time, simply because it would ruin the smaller teams, and the soonest we could see a new engine is 2020. And yes, we got rid of the stupid token system, that was good, but Renault and Honda still seem to lag behind. And even Ferrari still seem to have a big deficit to Mercedes. In other words, we could see 3 more seasons of Merc domination.

Doesn't sound too sexy to me.

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Jiggy said:
Like, I get that "just accept it for what it is, this is also F1" is the healthy thing to do [...]

Now you got my point.
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Some of you guys are way too quick in writing Ferrari off. Also, F1 didn't need Vettel dominating the 2nd half of 2013, but he did. And guess what: The sport survived, even though many, many people had enough of seeing the same guy and the same team win over and over again. It happens, and if it happens to be a team/driver you don't support, you just have to grit your teeth and get through it. I had to, many others had to. That's life.
Considering how Ferrari dropped the ball for the past 8 seasons, I don't think I am. The thing is, they bring upgrade after upgrade and if anything, it looks like the Merc is looking better after every round so far, so not exactly encouraging signs there.

As for the 2013 domination of Seb, you can blame Pirelli for that, let's not forget that. They switched the tyre compounds and boom, Seb went on an almost disgusting win streak.

Another problem is, who is going to stop Mercedes if they walk away with it again? Red Bull was stopped by a regulation change, as was Ferrari, as was pretty much every dominating team. We already had a big regulation change, what's next then?
There isn't going to be one for some time, simply because it would ruin the smaller teams, and the soonest we could see a new engine is 2020. And yes, we got rid of the stupid token system, that was good, but Renault and Honda still seem to lag behind. And even Ferrari still seem to have a big deficit to Mercedes. In other words, we could see 3 more seasons of Merc domination.

Doesn't sound too sexy to me.
Then again, you can't penalize Mercedes for having done a better job yet again, despite new regulations. These new regulations were meant to give teams like RB a better chance of catching Mercedes. I remember how much they were looking forward to it, and now look at the gap to the silver arrows. Mercedes are just too damn good, whatever the rules are. And therefore it's no wonder they're winning so many races. It's not their fault Red Bull have been disappointing so far this season and it's not their fault Ferrari are once again losing out in the development race (although as I've said before, don't count them out just yet).

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Some of you guys are way too quick in writing Ferrari off. Also, F1 didn't need Vettel dominating the 2nd half of 2013, but he did. And guess what: The sport survived, even though many, many people had enough of seeing the same guy and the same team win over and over again. It happens, and if it happens to be a team/driver you don't support, you just have to grit your teeth and get through it. I had to, many others had to. That's life.
Considering how Ferrari dropped the ball for the past 8 seasons, I don't think I am. The thing is, they bring upgrade after upgrade and if anything, it looks like the Merc is looking better after every round so far, so not exactly encouraging signs there.

As for the 2013 domination of Seb, you can blame Pirelli for that, let's not forget that. They switched the tyre compounds and boom, Seb went on an almost disgusting win streak.

Another problem is, who is going to stop Mercedes if they walk away with it again? Red Bull was stopped by a regulation change, as was Ferrari, as was pretty much every dominating team. We already had a big regulation change, what's next then?
There isn't going to be one for some time, simply because it would ruin the smaller teams, and the soonest we could see a new engine is 2020. And yes, we got rid of the stupid token system, that was good, but Renault and Honda still seem to lag behind. And even Ferrari still seem to have a big deficit to Mercedes. In other words, we could see 3 more seasons of Merc domination.

Doesn't sound too sexy to me.
Then again, you can't penalize Mercedes for having done a better job yet again, despite new regulations. These new regulations were meant to give teams like RB a better chance of catching Mercedes. I remember how much they were looking forward to it, and now look at the gap to the silver arrows. Mercedes are just too damn good, whatever the rules are. And therefore it's no wonder they're winning so many races. It's not their fault Red Bull have been disappointing so far this season and it's not their fault Ferrari are once again losing out in the development race (although as I've said before, don't count them out just yet).
Exactly. You can't, but probably not for a lack of trying. Let's take a look back.

Williams: Active suspension? Say goodbye to that.
Ferrari: Yo, we heard you dominate the sport, how about you are no longer allowed to change tyres after qualifying?
Red Bull: Double diffuser. That's cool. Guess what, it's banned! What's that? You now use a blown diffuser? No you're not!

But what could you take away from the Mercs? Nothing. The past few years the aero rules were too simple and now after changing them, there will probably be no significant change for years to come.


If anything it's the fault of the FIA. They reduced testing, they introduced cost cutting ideas, and they introduced one of the most complicated engines in motorsport history. In other words, a perfect mix for one team to dominate.
And if all that wasn't enough, they also introduced this moronic token system at the start of a completely new generation of engines, making it damn near impossible for anyone to catch up. Renault and Honda had to drastically alter their designs and even Ferrari are struggling, to no surprise though, since they lost about 3 years of free development.

To summarise: Barely any testing, barely any development, overly complicated PU. Taking all this into account, it was pretty clear that one team would get it right and that the rest simply can't keep up, no matter what.

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Jiggy said:
Like, I get that "just accept it for what it is, this is also F1" is the healthy thing to do [...]

Now you got my point.
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But I'm selfish. I want to eat my cake and my ice cream too.

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Williams: Active suspension? Say goodbye to that.
Ferrari: Yo, we heard you dominate the sport, how about you are no longer allowed to change tyres after qualifying?
Red Bull: Double diffuser. That's cool. Guess what, it's banned! What's that? You now use a blown diffuser? No you're not!

Williams remained a very strong team after the ban of active suspension. With a better pair of drivers (excluding Senna for obvious reasons) they could have won the 1994 and 1995 championships, which means we would have had Williams winning everything between 92 and 97.

In regards to Ferrari, the FIA reverted back to the previous set of rules regarding tyre changes during a race. By 2006 Ferrari were one of the two cars to beat and remained so until 2009.

In regards to Red Bull, they banned the double diffuser in what, 2010? We all know what happened between 2011 and 2013.

In none of your examples did the team arguably most affected by a massive change of rules suffer from long term disadvantages. Sooner or much sooner they came back to being either dominant or at the top.

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Williams: Active suspension? Say goodbye to that.
Ferrari: Yo, we heard you dominate the sport, how about you are no longer allowed to change tyres after qualifying?
Red Bull: Double diffuser. That's cool. Guess what, it's banned! What's that? You now use a blown diffuser? No you're not!

Williams remained a very strong team after the ban of active suspension. With a better pair of drivers (excluding Senna for obvious reasons) they could have won the 1994 and 1995 championships, which means we would have had Williams winning everything between 92 and 97.

In regards to Ferrari, the FIA reverted back to the previous set of rules regarding tyre changes during a race. By 2006 Ferrari were one of the two cars to beat and remained so until 2009.

In regards to Red Bull, they banned the double diffuser in what, 2010? We all know what happened between 2011 and 2013.

In none of your examples did the team arguably most affected by a massive change of rules suffer from long term disadvantages. Sooner or much sooner they came back to being either dominant or at the top.
The point is, though, they did try to stop the teams from dominating. As for Red Bull, the 2014 regs were pretty much exactly that, and they were very successful in that manner.

And again, you couldn't even try that with Mercedes, 'cos what are you going to take away from them? Their biggest advantage is easily the engine. 2020 is the earliest we can expect to change that. And the other teams simply couldn't play catch up for the past few years. So if they run away with both titles again, who's to stop them?
Renault don't even think about titles at this stage. Honda sh*ts the bed every opportunity they get. Ferrari are able to do decent packages, but are lagging behind in development races. And every one else don't have the money.

As I said, the FIA ultimately is to blame for that. The Concorde Agreement, the ban on testing, cost cutting ideas that really didn't help the smaller teams anyway, and the restriction on development. The result? A team dominating in a way never seen before.

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So I spent the entirety of this weekend very drunk because I graduated last week, and as such have only just caught up with the race/weekend. 

I'm a big Vettel fan but I'm not deluded - unless Ferrari have a monster summer this title race is over. Anyone who thinks differently hasn't been watching since Catalunya.

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You're probably right. Ferrari have been historically awful at developing a car over a season.

Gwan Bottas!

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Hughesy said:
AMS97KRR said:
Love watching a good domination, great for the sport.

Edit: Can't believe Raikkonens luck either, he had even fresher tyres than Vettel and his went first... To be honest after that Ferrari should have just pitted Vettel, it was a massive risk to leave him out and it backfired. Shame Bottas had that penalty as I'd like to have seen an actual battle at the front, nobody to blame for that but Ferrari and the lack of pace and a gearbox. I just hope this isn't the end of the title battle, because if it is, F1 is just ******. No way can we have Mercedes running off with it again. 
So when Schumacher dominated the sport was F1 ******? Or when Williams, McLaren or Red Bull? It happens a lot more than people seem to remember. The only way you stop that is by having cars that are all the same. If they equalise the engines then one team will do better in the aero department. Ferrari have had a few poor races, but I have no doubt they will have good races.
Luckily I didn't have to experience the Schumi domination ;)

The Red Bull years were not as bad as the last 3 by a long shot. We had something like 7 races out of the last 3 years (Probably like 57-60 races) which were not won by a Merc. 

I don't know how you'd stop domination aside from a performance ballast and keep different cars. Is that good or not? It's sort of unfair on the team that builds the good car, but at the end of the day the sport has to entertain people.

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Some of you guys are way too quick in writing Ferrari off. Also, F1 didn't need Vettel dominating the 2nd half of 2013, but he did. And guess what: The sport survived, even though many, many people had enough of seeing the same guy and the same team win over and over again. It happens, and if it happens to be a team/driver you don't support, you just have to grit your teeth and get through it. I had to, many others had to. That's life.
Considering how Ferrari dropped the ball for the past 8 seasons, I don't think I am. The thing is, they bring upgrade after upgrade and if anything, it looks like the Merc is looking better after every round so far, so not exactly encouraging signs there.

As for the 2013 domination of Seb, you can blame Pirelli for that, let's not forget that. They switched the tyre compounds and boom, Seb went on an almost disgusting win streak.

Another problem is, who is going to stop Mercedes if they walk away with it again? Red Bull was stopped by a regulation change, as was Ferrari, as was pretty much every dominating team. We already had a big regulation change, what's next then?
There isn't going to be one for some time, simply because it would ruin the smaller teams, and the soonest we could see a new engine is 2020. And yes, we got rid of the stupid token system, that was good, but Renault and Honda still seem to lag behind. And even Ferrari still seem to have a big deficit to Mercedes. In other words, we could see 3 more seasons of Merc domination.

Doesn't sound too sexy to me.
Then again, you can't penalize Mercedes for having done a better job yet again, despite new regulations. These new regulations were meant to give teams like RB a better chance of catching Mercedes. I remember how much they were looking forward to it, and now look at the gap to the silver arrows. Mercedes are just too damn good, whatever the rules are. And therefore it's no wonder they're winning so many races. It's not their fault Red Bull have been disappointing so far this season and it's not their fault Ferrari are once again losing out in the development race (although as I've said before, don't count them out just yet).
Unfair to punish them for sure. But I fear another 3 years of Merc domination will really hurt the sport, so I think something would have to be done, Hamilton will end up dominating every weekend, we wont even have Rosberg there to keep him honest.

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AMS97KRR said:
Hughesy said:
AMS97KRR said:
Love watching a good domination, great for the sport.

Edit: Can't believe Raikkonens luck either, he had even fresher tyres than Vettel and his went first... To be honest after that Ferrari should have just pitted Vettel, it was a massive risk to leave him out and it backfired. Shame Bottas had that penalty as I'd like to have seen an actual battle at the front, nobody to blame for that but Ferrari and the lack of pace and a gearbox. I just hope this isn't the end of the title battle, because if it is, F1 is just ******. No way can we have Mercedes running off with it again. 
So when Schumacher dominated the sport was F1 ******? Or when Williams, McLaren or Red Bull? It happens a lot more than people seem to remember. The only way you stop that is by having cars that are all the same. If they equalise the engines then one team will do better in the aero department. Ferrari have had a few poor races, but I have no doubt they will have good races.
Luckily I didn't have to experience the Schumi domination ;)

The Red Bull years were not as bad as the last 3 by a long shot. We had something like 7 races out of the last 3 years (Probably like 57-60 races) which were not won by a Merc. 

I don't know how you'd stop domination aside from a performance ballast and keep different cars. Is that good or not? It's sort of unfair on the team that builds the good car, but at the end of the day the sport has to entertain people.
It's 12 races ;) Also, if you weren't a Vettel fan, those Red Bull years were fucking excrutiating. It's nice for me to see my favourite driver winning more often than not, when during those 4 seasons a driver I didn't like won more often than not. You're now feeling what people who didn't like Red Bull felt during those 4 years mate, so suck it up. It won't last forever.

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People already talking about 3 years of further domination even though Vettel's still leading the WDC and there are 10 races to come. It's been two weeks since Vettel lost out on pole by fluffing the last corner and finished less than a second behind race leader Bottas. You folks remind me of this:
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Tone it down a notch, will you? Jeezus...


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AMS97KRR said:
Hughesy said:
AMS97KRR said:
Love watching a good domination, great for the sport.

Edit: Can't believe Raikkonens luck either, he had even fresher tyres than Vettel and his went first... To be honest after that Ferrari should have just pitted Vettel, it was a massive risk to leave him out and it backfired. Shame Bottas had that penalty as I'd like to have seen an actual battle at the front, nobody to blame for that but Ferrari and the lack of pace and a gearbox. I just hope this isn't the end of the title battle, because if it is, F1 is just ******. No way can we have Mercedes running off with it again. 
So when Schumacher dominated the sport was F1 ******? Or when Williams, McLaren or Red Bull? It happens a lot more than people seem to remember. The only way you stop that is by having cars that are all the same. If they equalise the engines then one team will do better in the aero department. Ferrari have had a few poor races, but I have no doubt they will have good races.
Luckily I didn't have to experience the Schumi domination ;)

The Red Bull years were not as bad as the last 3 by a long shot. We had something like 7 races out of the last 3 years (Probably like 57-60 races) which were not won by a Merc. 

I don't know how you'd stop domination aside from a performance ballast and keep different cars. Is that good or not? It's sort of unfair on the team that builds the good car, but at the end of the day the sport has to entertain people.
It's 12 races ;) Also, if you weren't a Vettel fan, those Red Bull years were **** excrutiating. It's nice for me to see my favourite driver winning more often than not, when during those 4 seasons a driver I didn't like won more often than not. You're now feeling what people who didn't like Red Bull felt during those 4 years mate, so suck it up. It won't last forever.
Still a bit unfair to compare the Merc to the Red Bull domination.

2010:  Red Bull had the best qualifying pace, but were unable to convert their great pace into victories. 4 drivers from 3 different teams had the chance to take it home.
2011: Yeeeah, OK. That was a one-man show. Cars were pretty, though.
2012: Exciting first half of the season. Stunning title fight between Fernando and Seb. McLaren could/should have taken this. But, unfortunately, that was right around the time they started to sh*t the bed. Also, the Red Bull's only started to dominate around Singapore.
2013: First half was ok-ish. Red Bull looked strong, but definitely not unbeatable. That is until Pirelli changed the tyre compounds. Smooth sailing for Seb. If anything blame Pirelli. Also, McLaren could have capitalised on their strong package from 2012, but guess what they did. Exactly. They sh*t the bed.

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Yea, I did watch those season, don't need a reminder bud ;) Fact is, Red Bull still won far more races than any other teams during those years, and for a non-Red Bull fan it was painful.

The way I kinda prefer to look at it though in terms of Red Bull's races is this.

2010: 9 wins out of 19 races. 12 races which had a Red Bull car anywhere on the podium, 7 of which were 2 cars on the podium, and 4 of those were a 1-2.

2011: 12 wins out of 19 races. At least 1 Car on the podium in 18 of 19 races. 9 times they had 2 cars on the podium, and 3 of those were 1-2's.

2012: 7 wins out of 20 races. 11 podiums of 20 with a Red Bull car on it. only 3 double car podiums, and only a single 1-2. Definitely a weaker year, but heart-braking how Toro Rosso and Schumi gifted Vettel places at the end.

2013: 13 wins of 19 races. 16 podiums with at least 1 Red Bull car. 7 double podiums, 4 of which were a 1-2.

So while Red Bull were less dominant than Merc have been, they were still dominant, and saying that 2010-13 were more entertaining because of that isn't true for people who weren't Red Bull fans. And don't forget, Vettel often just disappeared off and won with a massive margin. At least Merc have had 2 drivers who were capable of fighting for the win quite often.

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2010 and 2012 were most definitely more entertaining than any of the years from 2014 until now. We had a title fight between multiple drivers from multiple teams. '11 and '13 were boring, I'll grant you that.

And thank god we Lewis had a strong driver in the second car, otherwise I would have gone mad already. But I can't help but feel like Bottas isn't cut out to challenge him like Rosberg. He's decent. Not more than that, though, I'm afraid.


Ultimately, I'm just annoyed at the prospect of another year for the silver arrows. I wasn't keen on Red Bull dominating, and I'm not on Mercedes keeping up their form. Funnily enough, my two least favourite teams have dominated the sport for the past 7 years. In other words: kill me. Or at least buy me a beer.

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Looking back, I honestly didn't mind the Red Bull winning period that much. 2010, and in particular 2012, are two of my favourite seasons ever. And even 2011 wasn't that bad, with some brilliant races dotted in throughout the Vettel domination (China, Canada, Hungary, Germany, Suzuka).  The only bits I didn't really enjoy were the start of 2011 and the end of 2013. Seriously, I can't remember anything exciting about those final 9 races.

But despite being even more dominant than Red Bull, I preferred the Mercedes years of 2014-2016. I think RevolvingPrawn said it all really. In 2011 and 2013, Vettel was in a class of his own and had zero challenges from his team mate or anyone else, so it got boring. At least Hamilton and Rosberg were pretty much neck and neck for their time together, minus perhaps mid-late 2015 when Rosberg just disappeared.

I do think Mercedes will walk away with this championship though, with Hamilton and Bottas finishing ahead of Vettel. I just hope Valtteri can keep up his great form and actually challenge Lewis for good. What a nice surprise it would be if Valtteri can actually have a proper crack at the title at the end of the year. No one would've expected that after the first few races.

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AMS97KRR said:
Hughesy said:
AMS97KRR said:
Love watching a good domination, great for the sport.

Edit: Can't believe Raikkonens luck either, he had even fresher tyres than Vettel and his went first... To be honest after that Ferrari should have just pitted Vettel, it was a massive risk to leave him out and it backfired. Shame Bottas had that penalty as I'd like to have seen an actual battle at the front, nobody to blame for that but Ferrari and the lack of pace and a gearbox. I just hope this isn't the end of the title battle, because if it is, F1 is just ******. No way can we have Mercedes running off with it again. 
So when Schumacher dominated the sport was F1 ******? Or when Williams, McLaren or Red Bull? It happens a lot more than people seem to remember. The only way you stop that is by having cars that are all the same. If they equalise the engines then one team will do better in the aero department. Ferrari have had a few poor races, but I have no doubt they will have good races.
Luckily I didn't have to experience the Schumi domination ;)

The Red Bull years were not as bad as the last 3 by a long shot. We had something like 7 races out of the last 3 years (Probably like 57-60 races) which were not won by a Merc. 

I don't know how you'd stop domination aside from a performance ballast and keep different cars. Is that good or not? It's sort of unfair on the team that builds the good car, but at the end of the day the sport has to entertain people.
It's 12 races ;) Also, if you weren't a Vettel fan, those Red Bull years were **** excrutiating. It's nice for me to see my favourite driver winning more often than not, when during those 4 seasons a driver I didn't like won more often than not. You're now feeling what people who didn't like Red Bull felt during those 4 years mate, so suck it up. It won't last forever.
Speaking to not just you prawn but others in the thread too:
 
The last 3 years (2014-2016) saw 8 non Mercedes wins, 3 for Vettel, 4 for Ricciardo and 1 for Verstappen. That in total means that 51 of 59 Grand Prix's were won by Mercedes. Out of those 51, Lewis Hamilton won 31 races. Nico Rosberg won 20. Mercedes won 86% of the races, Hamilton with 52.5% of the wins in that time and Nico with 33.8%. 

Now, lets look at 2010-2013. In that period, 77 races took place. Red Bull won 41 of those races (53%), which is obviously a massive difference to the 86% Mercedes achieved. In those 4 years, 2 of them were considered some of the best years in the entire history of the sport, especially 2012. I think the key difference that makes people think it is worse than it really was is that Vettel took all but 6 of the RBR race wins, which is 85%. So every time a RBR won, you can bet your money that it was Vettel who took it. But in reality, there is little room to complain about the period like it was a horrible domination because it really wasn't. I'd wager it was one of the most openly contested 4 years of the sport compared to other periods of "domination". And even as a Vettel fan I can admit that the second half of 2013 was a write off in terms of actual excitement and 2011 whilst it had some very fun races and lots of exciting goings on at times, it was on the whole a fairly boring season title fight wise. But the stats show us that actually there was a lot of other good moments where others won in those years. In the last 3 years you're mainly looking back at battles for 3rd downwards, which whilst fun to watch, doesn't mean as much as winning.

I think a lot of it stems from the fact that, as I said, Vettel just dominated his team mate and ended up winning 45% of the races (Statistically, it was in fact not "more often than not") in 4 years - that is a lower percentage than Hamilton in the last 3. You were more sick of seeing Vettel win rather than Red Bull. In the case of the last 3 years, people were just sick of Mercedes winning every race, I didn't become happier when Rosberg ran away with it, and I don't even dislike Nico. It's just boring to watch 59 races and have 51 be won by the same two people. in 2014 we had only 3 race winners, in 2015 it was 3 and in 2016 it was 4. In 2010 we had 5 winners (And Massa really should have been added to that list but whatever), 2011 we had 5, 2012 we had 8 winners and 2013 saw 5 victors. And even in 2011 3 of the 5 winners won 3 or more races each, so it wasn't just luck. 

The stats don't lie for me, 2010-2013 was just far better than 2014-2016 and I believe if most people were asked as a neutral which one they'd rather sit through again, it would be 2010-2013. Because the 2010 and 2012 seasons alone are worth it, and that's missing some great races from 2011.

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Dude, you liked RBR and Vettel, so of course you'll see it differently. For those of us who didn't, it felt like he won every other race. Which if he won 45% of the races is damn close to being true.

And if RBR won 53% of the races during that time, that is still domination. Less so than Merc, but still domination. Do you know what the percentage for the other teams are? Like what percentage did Ferrari and McLaren win during those seasons?

And personally, I'd rather watch 14-16 again over 10-13. 2012 was a very good season, but seeing Vettel just erode Alonso's (who was in the 3rd best car) points lead in the last part of the season was depressing. And then being gifted positions in the final race after the collision he caused at the start sucked complete ass. I'll never watch Brazil 2012 ever again.

Really trhough man, this is all just a matter of perspective, which I guess we've already established. People who like Vettel and RBR enjoyed 10-13. People who like Hamilton and Merc have enjoyed 14-16. Simple as that really, stats or no stats.

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We had a championship going down to the wire in both 2014 and 2016, I'd say that alone makes 2011 and 2013 look worse. There was no designated #2 driver at Mercedes during their era of domination, which meant the other guy had a fair shot at winning the title. Sure, the fact that Rosberg has been much more competitive against Lewis than Webber has ever been against Vettel helped this matter.

But we'll have to agree to disagree at this point.

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Dude, you liked RBR and Vettel, so of course you'll see it differently. For those of us who didn't, it felt like he won every other race. Which if he won 45% of the races is damn close to being true.

And if RBR won 53% of the races during that time, that is still domination. Less so than Merc, but still domination. Do you know what the percentage for the other teams are? Like what percentage did Ferrari and McLaren win during those seasons?

And personally, I'd rather watch 14-16 again over 10-13. 2012 was a very good season, but seeing Vettel just erode Alonso's (who was in the 3rd best car) points lead in the last part of the season was depressing. And then being gifted positions in the final race after the collision he caused at the start sucked complete ass. I'll never watch Brazil 2012 ever again.

Really trhough man, this is all just a matter of perspective, which I guess we've already established. People who like Vettel and RBR enjoyed 10-13. People who like Hamilton and Merc have enjoyed 14-16. Simple as that really, stats or no stats.
Sure, but equally Hamilton has won over half the races in the last 3 years so it is also understandable that most people are sick of that. Vettel won 45% yeah, I think its important to remember that the end of 2013 contributes a lot to that figure. If you take that spell out it and decide not to watch it again, it would only be 24 wins for Vettel from 68 races (He won 9 on the trot at the end), so only 35% if you just wanted to enjoy the rest of the years in that period. Alonso won 10 times in that period, Hamilton 10 as well, so you could find something to cheer about! Point being, up until Hungary 2013 nobody could really say Vettel won every other race, it might have felt like it, but it wasn't the case. With the last 3 years and Lewis, it really is reality.

Stats wise, McLaren won 18 races in 2010-2013.  Ferrari won 11, Mercedes won 4, Lotus got 3, Williams got 1. Individually it looks bad, but that is still 47% of the races, an I'm sure you didn't mind those races that RBR didn't win, heck I'd even say you and others didn't mind Webber winning.
Most people would say Brazil 2012 was one of the best races in history :p I understand why you don't like watching it completely however. He did only get gifted one position tbf, and he'd already climbed into the WDC position anyway.

Yeah of course we are all going to have preferences. I just think neutrals would prefer to watch 2010-2013 because of the variety. I bet there are some races in 2010-2013 you could watch again and think "Who won this race?" where as the last 3 years you can just know it was a Mercedes. I can remember the races they didn't win off by heart, but I couldn't tell you all the races Seb didn't win. 

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But the 9 wins is part of 10-13, so you can't take those out of the equation :p Try as you might to prove otherwise, Vettel winning so frequently got boring for people who didn't like him. And that's just that dude. It's the same for people who don't like Hamilton, it's the same for people who didn't like Schumi, it was the same for people who didn't like Mansell, Senna, Prost, Etc...

And that's reality to you. To a Lewis fan, it feels like Rosberg took a fair few victories from him, and like Hamilton hasn't won enough yet ;) I'm sure you feel the same way about Vettel.

I thought Canada 2011 was the best race in history? Brazil was pretty decent, for the most part, and I could understand why Vettel fans would think it's one of the best. Personally I think Brazil 2008 was better ;) Also Vergne and Schumi moved out of his way. Gifted 2 places mate. Before that he was 9th and Alonso would have been WDC. Or maybe 4 if you consider that Hulk took himself and Hamilton out of 1st and 2nd lol.

I think neutrals would prefer to watch 2006-2009, cos those 4 seasons had 4 different champions and really were a variety. Your favourite driver won 10-13 so you naturally have a preference for those seasons. And you underestimate my useless power of remembering who won at which race to your peril, good sir! :p

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