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I've been playing some old classic games the last few weeks. Just beat kotor on the xbox. Started playing again the last few days and have to get back into it as I'm definitely lacking speed after the break but I still enjoy the game.

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Scyy said:
I've been playing some old classic games the last few weeks.
Yeah, I decided to play all the Need for Speed games I skipped after giving up on the series after Underground 2 (I liked the original games and wasn't big on the tuner direction). So I bought Most Wanted, Carbon, ProStreet, Undercover, The Run, and Rivals (I played Hot Pursuit 2010 when it came out, and had tried Most Wanted 2012 and Shift 2). And Most Wanted is pretty good! I should have played it 12 years ago!

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dwkGravey said:
Scyy said:
I've been playing some old classic games the last few weeks.
Yeah, I decided to play all the Need for Speed games I skipped after giving up on the series after Underground 2 (I liked the original games and wasn't big on the tuner direction). So I bought Most Wanted, Carbon, ProStreet, Undercover, The Run, and Rivals (I played Hot Pursuit 2010 when it came out, and had tried Most Wanted 2012 and Shift 2). And Most Wanted is pretty good! I should have played it 12 years ago!
I remember absolutely loving NFS 3, which has since almost disappeared entirely, which makes me sad. I had Carbon on the Xbox and wasn't very impressed with it, but the tuning was kind of neat.

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mesa said:
I left it after only 2 weeks of gamplay because the game is boring.
Now i've just pressed the start button again since we're able to make mods (skins at least), to check my creations . That's all
Game was bad and it died a quick death

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After having lost the triple crown rally part with a mere 1 point difference on my first attempt thanks to the, well, slightly unbalanced AI, which manages to set absolutely mental times on the 'highway' stages in Sweden, I'm on my second try right now, tackling the Michigan forest with a Subi N4 this time round.

Having used an R5 Fiesta for the first attempt and not driven an N4 car for a while, I'm now however facing quite severe levels of damage after each stage despite driving absolutely flawless and not even pushing it to the max. Back in the service area, I always find myself surprised by the amount of damage that occurred apparently out of nowhere, suffering from a broken suspension, a critically damaged clutch, worn-out brakes and an overheated engine yet after three stages, which, as said before, were all driven cleanly. Sthg tells me that can't be normal?

The Subi is of course all fitted with A parts, everything has been upgraded in the team facility section, and all four engineers are also A grade with appropriate specialisation depending on the car. Engineer repairing capability thus is through the roof, yet fixing the car takes ages as most parts are severly or even critically damaged...

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My brothers dog whom was visiting decided to chew my wheels usb wire.. So looks like im out of action for a fair while sadly :(. Not going to rush to buy a new wheel unless i see something really special popup on sim racing or Dirt 4 got double content from DLC.

Miss dirt 4 but this game badly needs atleast 3 more new locations/surface types. Aswell as a few new sections for hairpins on existing locations.

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Cut the cable open on both sides of the chewed part and remove the damaged section, remove some of the coating on both intact sides, do the same for the colored wires inside, then connect colors accordingly. There, I just saved you some money (;
Unfortunately you can't fix the rest of the problems yourself :D

EDIT: unless I didn't get the sarcasm and this was a "my dog ate my homework"-type of excuse ;)

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Well I have done all the career events and got all my cars to "A". I am just working through the joyride challenges, then I will start playing with the stage generator properly. 

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Just stepped by to look if Codemasters has given some feedback to the community,  but... 
So Dirt 4 was at the current state for me a mistaken investment in money and time.

I'm back in Dirt Rally but more time nowadays in Project Cars 2 and RaceRoom. 

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Uninstalled the game yesterday. Played about 70h and really tried to like the game but I guess in the end it just wasn't for me. It was more frustrating than it was fun for me, and that's what counts. Wasn't really fan of that extra nonsense they did put in the game as well, all that pointless managing, buying this and that and whatnots. Not my thing, I just want to get in the car, tune it and rally. Simple as that.

D4 not being what I expected it to be is no biggie though, I'm grateful to Codies for making Dirt Rally. But I did hope that D4 would be continuation of Dirt Rally even though the name kinda indicates that it's not. Hopefully they will make Dirt Rally 2 someday.

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I still plan to finish the career and hope clubs will arrive soon. Maybe this will rekindle some kind of enthusiasm.

But right now I'm into Grand Prix Legends - after some 18-year-break. Out of curiosity I looked for mods and then tried to install it, as I still own the CD. Guess what, it works! It's still terribly difficult, but after umpteen blown engines and crashes I finally finished a race with the '67 sports cars in 4th place - on three wheels after losing first place in a last lap accident. Feels just like 1999.

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Damn, Grand Prix Legends, there is a blast from the past! Sort of related, I picked up one of those Raspberry Pi based retro gaming consoles a couple of weeks ago: best thing I have bought in a long time. It's not quite as good as having the proper cartridges (but I am running out of space for more of them!), but there are so many great games I had forgotten about on it! 

Played a bit more D4 at the weekend. I have posted a time in all of the joyride challenges now: some of the latter ones are so tricky to get a gold in though! 

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50 hours in Steam, playing F1 2017 at the moment and if I want some rallying I'll start up DiRT Rally. After playing DiRT Rally again, I realised how bad the force feedback is in DiRT 4 (many other things too). Not playing it in the near future unless Codemasters give us some information about upcoming changes.

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15 hours played in D4 so far. Somehow, I didn't get warm with the game. May give it a chance later on. What I really do appreciate in D4 is the effort of providing infinite stages. Actually, the courses within one country still bear high resemblance to each other. But in the bigger picture, Codies are pursuing a great strategy (as one of the most innovative studios in the racing genre). Guess the next rally games will be huge with more natural stages. What I cannot comment ist the car behaviour, as I'm no expert in this field.

However, for now, I just prefer to stick with DR. Major reason are the brilliant stages. I would never want to miss the Monte-Carlo tracks. It is still so much fun to do online challenges. The only thing what annoys me is a bug which makes me start challenges way behind the official starting line occasionally..

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15 hours played in D4 so far. Somehow, I didn't get warm with the game. May give it a chance later on. What I really do appreciate in D4 is the effort of providing infinite stages. Actually, the courses within one country still bear high resemblance to each other. But in the bigger picture, Codies are pursuing a great strategy (as one of the most innovative studios in the racing genre). Guess the next rally games will be huge with more natural stages. What I cannot comment ist the car behaviour, as I'm no expert in this field.

However, for now, I just prefer to stick with DR. Major reason are the brilliant stages. I would never want to miss the Monte-Carlo tracks. It is still so much fun to do online challenges. The only thing what annoys me is a bug which makes me start challenges way behind the official starting line occasionally..
the problem is you havent played it enough to notice the same corner on some events like 5 time in a row.the idea is a brilliant one but its not like the idea.it currently doesnt really work.after playing probably 50 hrs plus you will notice endless same corners and same layouts.so it ends up being even more repetive that rinsing and repeating a well known event track/course.this is what stung me.

Dirt rally is the better game.most people say this because its true.

only thing thats really good about Dirt 4 is the weight of the cars that you can feel and improved tarmac handling.the rest is pretty dire.im hoping that the team takes the feedback in good heart and learns from it.none of us want a bad game or to be negative.

what is more annoying that almost anything and saddening is the literal silence since launch.

ever since DiRT rally we all be on cloud nine constant chat and great dev feedback and talking across all platforms.then to go to Dirt 4 launch it then basically nothing but silence.its very dissapointing.it also speaks volumes.

whats worse is because F1 is launched gets pretty good reviews we rally fans just have to sit with fingers twiddling and all media focus goes into the product well recieved.silence on top of that makes it almost rant worthy of wtf is going on ?

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@dgeesi0 I haven't really felt the need to post here because I share opinions with a lot of folks and didn't want to repeat them, but you just posted an exact summation of how I feel about the game. Here's hoping we get some news soon, I feel bad having the game installed but not playing it.

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I held off with no VR support, having loved DiRT Rally. I went back to using monitors for something else so decided to take the plunge this week even though the reviews about handling weren't great.

Took a while to get the controllers sorted (I have an OSW wheel and a FREX shifter wired into a button box) as the menus kept scrolling. Finally sorted it.

My enjoyment with DiRT Rally was almost exclusively the Welsh stages and older cars. So I was pleased to see more gravel events and the Your Stage option initially looks great.

My initial feel with the handling is a pleasant surprise, the additional feel of weight improving the overall sensation.

Overall at this early stage it feels like an extension of DiRT Rally rather than a throwback to DiRT3, which is what I was hoping for. I guess the test will be as I drive it more whether the repeating corners will limit the value of random "blind" stages I was hoping for over the DiRT Rally stages that become more like race circuit laps through familiarity. We shall see.

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Overall at this early stage it feels like an extension of DiRT Rally rather than a throwback to DiRT3, which is what I was hoping for. I guess the test will be as I drive it more whether the repeating corners will limit the value of random "blind" stages I was hoping for over the DiRT Rally stages that become more like race circuit laps through familiarity. We shall see.
It gets repetitive very fast. In DR you learn stages and in this one you learn tiles and there are very few of those. Also, the pace notes are often too late even when you have them set to early as possible. So you really need to know the tile you're driving on.

When they first announced that they were working on this Your Stage feature I was really excited about it, because I think it would make rallying  even more interesting and possibly more challenging as well. But at the same time I was afraid that it's going to be a gimmick and all hype. What they said and what they actually delivered isn't even close. "Almost infinite-number of unique stages" Yeah, right... That was a big disappointment for me.

I think the idea behind Your Stage is solid, but with the current set of tiles it's just very repetitive and boring. After completing an event which was in Wales and it had 10 stages. I felt that I had driven the same stage ten times over. After every stage the only difference I felt was that the corners were in different order and the weather was different. I think it's because you can't really remember the stage you just drove. Everything looks the same and the next stage is going to look the same as well, so it's really hard to separate the stages from one to another.

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I really hope they will expand the Your Stage system in the DLC or the next game, it is an idea worth pursuing. There are many other elements in Dirt 4 that I hope won't get abandoned in the future: the cool service area, management options and an ocean of small details for immersion that make you feel like a real rally driver. Today I noticed that weather is actually changeable- on a stage in Wales, I started without the need for wipers and finished in rain showers. 

I know the game isn't perfect, the AI goes from pretty easy to crazy difficult for no reason, some cars and classes are undriveable..

but goddamn it when I drive my Fiesta R5 or Subaru N4 I actually like it more than Dirt Rally. It feels so good with the wheel. 

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I finally got the game and tried it, but the physics just don't feel right and the game isn't fun as a result. Dirt 3 wasn't realistic, but it still managed to feel 'right enough' to be fun. This game though, its like every car has snap understeer and far too much grip on the rear wheels. I have asked for a steam refund after playing it just shy of 2 hours. Once I reached the point where I bought my first 4wd car, and it still just drove like a stone I just lost interest.

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I dont think the problem is snap understeer, more of the cars in default snap oversteer and if over corrected it feels like understeer, iv sorted out handling issues with setup, if anyone needs car setup assistance, message me on here or check out Mystx24 on youtube iv got tuneing vids up.

This game does deserve more praise than it's given.

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Mystx24 said:
I dont think the problem is snap understeer, more of the cars in default snap oversteer and if over corrected it feels like understeer, iv sorted out handling issues with setup, if anyone needs car setup assistance, message me on here or check out Mystx24 on youtube iv got tuneing vids up.

This game does deserve more praise than it's given.
I'm 100% certain its a snap understeer issue. Maybe its something in the setup but most cars I tried snap into understeer without you counter-steering. I've gone into a left hander, and turned in, ebraked to get the tail out, and got on the throttle when the car was facing the way I wanted, at nearly full lock left, and still the car snapped back to the right. 

Front wheel drive cars are useless because it's really bad with them. They understeer under throttle even if you have the E-brake pulled the whole time lol. The cars simply do not handle realistically. Dirt Rally was FAR more  accurate, even though the cars would bounce like a basketball.

If you like it thats fine, but the handling model is too arcade for my tastes.

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I respect your outlook on it, we will have to agree to disagree, i think its harsh to say it is arcade though.

Try this if you ever play again put torque bias to 40% and front lsd lock anywhere from 20% to 35% set both cambers all the way left.front end will not push hardly at all underpower. 

Like it to be known i am super dissapointed that this could be great game has basically tanked. Iv got 180 hrs now so i am enjoying it alot. 

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I'm not playing D4 anymore, I went back to the old CMR and WRC games which are miles better. There's no point in playing the game after you beat the triple crown series anyway.

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I'm not playing D4 anymore, I went back to the old CMR and WRC games which are miles better. There's no point in playing the game after you beat the triple crown series anyway.
You could have a go at completing all the events in 'fearless' mode and gaining a full set of gold star trophies. I'm 11 short (4x silver and 7x 4th or worse) in all disciplines and getting to that stage can easilly another 30 hours of gameplay.

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