F1 2014 Singapore Grand Prix

[RevolvingPrawn]

No one cares about the Kimi fans.

[KRTheIceman]

Or the Bottas fans?

[Tommig1995]

That raced seemed to suck, yet had it been last year it would have been race of the season. Just goes to show you how enjoyable F1 is this year.

Guted for Alonso & Kimi, both could have done better if not for the safety car. Also, Massa out doing Bottas cleanly now, which is a change. Also more what I expected at the start of the year. Hope he keeps up his 'traditional' end of season form.

[MBKF1]

I've just done some basic statistics workings out and here's what I've found.
- Mercedes should probably wrap up the constructors' title next time out at Suzuka
- Only Red Bull can take that constructors' title away from Mercedes
- Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vettel and Bottas are the only drivers who can mathematically still win the title
- Marcus Ericsson could win the next five races and finish 4th in the drivers' championship
- Caterham could acheive 1-2's at the next five races and finish 3rd in the constructors' championship

[buttonfan]

PeteTheDuck said:

I've just done some basic statistics workings out and here's what I've found.
- Mercedes should probably wrap up the constructors' title next time out at Suzuka
- Only Red Bull can take that constructors' title away from Mercedes
- Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vettel and Bottas are the only drivers who can mathematically still win the title
- Marcus Ericsson could win the next five races and finish 4th in the drivers' championship
- Caterham could acheive 1-2's at the next five races and finish 3rd in the constructors' championship

What the hell are you on? :p 

Also here are some title scenarios (From F1technical)

Hamilton wins the next four races, Rosberg comes home 2nd. 
Rosberg wins Abu Dhabi and Hamilton only needs to take a 5th place in the race to win by 1 point. 

Hamilton wins the next three races, Rosberg wins the 4th. 
Rosberg wins Abu Dhabi and Hamilton needs to come home in 2nd to win by 3 points. 

Hamilton wins the next two races, Rosberg the two after that, both come second in their teammates wins. 
Whoever wins Abu Dhabi is champion.

I don't know about you, but I prefer the 3rd one :D

[AMSKRR]

Vettels monkey seat was broken during the race (I didn't even realise, but it gives extra downforce).

http://imgur.com/YSukYtB

[buttonfan]

Ricciardo didn/t have the cleanest race as well
Battery glitch hindered Ricciardo

[MBKF1]

Oh my god, Andrew Benson is the worst F1 writer I've ever seen.

So this article on BBC F1 that he wrote is called 'Magnussen treated for heat injuries'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29303579

Well Magnussen actually tweeted that the reports that he had had burns and had medical treatment "were a bit exaggerated - I was just hot and sweaty". 

So you'd expect Benson to maybe delete the article after this as the story is false. But hang, on HE REFERS TO THE TWEET IN THE BLEEDING ARTICLE. So still the headline is that he was treated for heat injuries, even though he fully knows that he didn't.

I'm not one for sending complaining Emails but seriously, this is stupid. BBC please sack him.

[buttonfan]

Also, anyone else who thought for a moment that the SC would come out and Vettel would win when the yellows came out when Button stopped?

[GoldenColt]

mike96 said:

Also, anyone else who thought for a moment that the SC would come out and Vettel would win when the yellows came out when Button stopped?

I was mentally preparing myself for the finger and his screaming.

[couger1981]

Vettel surprised at the aggression from Hamilton when he was getting overtaken

Sky Sports

Did Vettel expect Hamilton to stay behind him so he could be win? lol

[GoldenColt]

Can't blame him for that, he's not used to defend from all the previous years. ;)

[onetwothree]

Hamilton to Red Bull confirmed.

[RevolvingPrawn]

Got a bit bored on lunch, so here's how the championship would look with the old points system. I'll add Ricciardo too in a minute.

[GoldenColt]

@123

One stroke away from a heartattack.

[GoldenColt]

RevolvingPrawn said:

Got a bit bored on lunch, so here's how the championship would look with the old points system. I'll add Ricciardo too in a minute.

Kewl. Could you do it with the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system aswell? Bet HAM would be ahead then as wins counted so much more than 2nd places back then.

[RevolvingPrawn]

@Goldencolt I'll do that tomorrow lunch unless someone beats me to it :p For now, he's Ricciardo added in.

[AMSKRR]

@PeteTheDuck‌ 

This guy is worse than Benson....

http://www.planetf1.com/race-features/9482832/Winners-And-Losers-Singapore

Vergne was star of that race, not Lewis. Sure what he did was good, but lets be honest here, he has the fastest car and near the end, fresh tyres. Vettel was a mobile chicane for him at that point. 

Look out for his team mate wars, the guy is crazy.

[buttonfan]

"Planet F1"

I stopped reading.

[AMSKRR]

mike96 said:

"Planet F1"

I stopped reading.

Lol yeah pretty much how I feel. 

Some guy yesterday was slating Vettel because "he could have helped the team and moved over" and that if he was behind Ricciardo he'd have demanded it happen. He then said he was losing respect for him fast. Even though Vettel has received a lot of praise for how he has gone about this season and handled himself so far. 

His IQ level must be incredibly low. 

[GoldenColt]

AMS97KRR said:

mike96 said:

"Planet F1"

I stopped reading.

Lol yeah pretty much how I feel. 

Some guy yesterday was slating Vettel because "he could have helped the team and moved over" and that if he was behind Ricciardo he'd have demanded it happen. He then said he was losing respect for him fast. Even though Vettel has received a lot of praise for how he has gone about this season and handled himself so far. 

His IQ level must be incredibly low. 

I can see his point though.
Does that mean I'm mentally deficient?

[ImRiteUrRong74]

GoldenColt said:

AMS97KRR said:

mike96 said:

"Planet F1"

I stopped reading.

Lol yeah pretty much how I feel. 

Some guy yesterday was slating Vettel because "he could have helped the team and moved over" and that if he was behind Ricciardo he'd have demanded it happen. He then said he was losing respect for him fast. Even though Vettel has received a lot of praise for how he has gone about this season and handled himself so far. 

His IQ level must be incredibly low. 

I can see his point though.
Does that mean I'm mentally deficient?

 Yes

[GoldenColt]

:(

[VetteIfan]

PeteTheDuck said:

I've just done some basic statistics workings out and here's what I've found.
- Mercedes should probably wrap up the constructors' title next time out at Suzuka
- Only Red Bull can take that constructors' title away from Mercedes
- Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vettel and Bottas are the only drivers who can mathematically still win the title
- Marcus Ericsson could win the next five races and finish 4th in the drivers' championship
- Caterham could acheive 1-2's at the next five races and finish 3rd in the constructors' championship

There's 258 points still available and they're 174 ahead of Red Bull. So unless Red Bull have a complete disaster, I'd say it is very unlikely that Mercedes will wrap up the WCC in Suzuka. It's only a matter of time after that though, obviously. 

[f1since08]

Just a quick point. Rosberg should have a new gearbox for Suzuka as the 5 are up since Silverstone (plus he's allowed a fresh one anyway as he retired). That means this should be his last for the season, so it'll be at the end of its life at Abu Double.

Hamilton, meanwhile, got a new one after Spa. Therefore his is due for renewal after Austin, so it'll be three races fresher than Rosberg's in the finale...

[Tommig1995]

VetteIfan said:

PeteTheDuck said:

I've just done some basic statistics workings out and here's what I've found.
- Mercedes should probably wrap up the constructors' title next time out at Suzuka
- Only Red Bull can take that constructors' title away from Mercedes
- Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vettel and Bottas are the only drivers who can mathematically still win the title
- Marcus Ericsson could win the next five races and finish 4th in the drivers' championship
- Caterham could acheive 1-2's at the next five races and finish 3rd in the constructors' championship

There's 258 points still available and they're 174 ahead of Red Bull. So unless Red Bull have a complete disaster, I'd say it is very unlikely that Mercedes will wrap up the WCC in Suzuka. It's only a matter of time after that though, obviously. 

(5+1) x 43 = 258
479 - 305 = 174
258 - 174 = 84

84 - 43 = 41

41 - 43 = -2
Therefore, Mercedes can win the constructors at Suzuka, providing that they take a maximum score, 43, and Red Bull score no more than 2 pts.

[f1since08]

Tommig1995 said:

VetteIfan said:

PeteTheDuck said:

I've just done some basic statistics workings out and here's what I've found.
- Mercedes should probably wrap up the constructors' title next time out at Suzuka
- Only Red Bull can take that constructors' title away from Mercedes
- Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vettel and Bottas are the only drivers who can mathematically still win the title
- Marcus Ericsson could win the next five races and finish 4th in the drivers' championship
- Caterham could acheive 1-2's at the next five races and finish 3rd in the constructors' championship

There's 258 points still available and they're 174 ahead of Red Bull. So unless Red Bull have a complete disaster, I'd say it is very unlikely that Mercedes will wrap up the WCC in Suzuka. It's only a matter of time after that though, obviously. 

(5+1) x 43 = 258
479 - 305 = 174
258 - 174 = 84

84 - 43 = 41

41 - 43 = -2
Therefore, Mercedes can win the constructors at Suzuka, providing that they take a maximum score, 43, and Red Bull score no more than 2 pts.

But that's not likely is it? :p 

[Chadwick8505]

fIsince08 said:

Just a quick point. Rosberg should have a new gearbox for Suzuka as the 5 are up since Silverstone (plus he's allowed a fresh one anyway as he retired). That means this should be his last for the season, so it'll be at the end of its life at Abu Double.

Hamilton, meanwhile, got a new one after Spa. Therefore his is due for renewal after Austin, so it'll be three races fresher than Rosberg's in the finale...

Well that's quite interesting actually. Could be a huge advantage for Hamilton. Can you always get a new transmission if you retire without penalty? So if Rosberg retires at Austin he'd get a new one penalty-free, they'd be on the same terms coming to the end of the season?

[MBKF1]

VetteIfan said:

PeteTheDuck said:

I've just done some basic statistics workings out and here's what I've found.
- Mercedes should probably wrap up the constructors' title next time out at Suzuka
- Only Red Bull can take that constructors' title away from Mercedes
- Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vettel and Bottas are the only drivers who can mathematically still win the title
- Marcus Ericsson could win the next five races and finish 4th in the drivers' championship
- Caterham could acheive 1-2's at the next five races and finish 3rd in the constructors' championship

There's 258 points still available and they're 174 ahead of Red Bull. So unless Red Bull have a complete disaster, I'd say it is very unlikely that Mercedes will wrap up the WCC in Suzuka. It's only a matter of time after that though, obviously. 

Aaah, yes, forgot about the double points in Abu Dhabi :/

Stupid rule

[buttonfan]

Chadwick8505 said:

fIsince08 said:

Just a quick point. Rosberg should have a new gearbox for Suzuka as the 5 are up since Silverstone (plus he's allowed a fresh one anyway as he retired). That means this should be his last for the season, so it'll be at the end of its life at Abu Double.

Hamilton, meanwhile, got a new one after Spa. Therefore his is due for renewal after Austin, so it'll be three races fresher than Rosberg's in the finale...

Well that's quite interesting actually. Could be a huge advantage for Hamilton. Can you always get a new transmission if you retire without penalty? So if Rosberg retires at Austin he'd get a new one penalty-free, they'd be on the same terms coming to the end of the season?

Υes but it's 25 points lost to Hamilton so it's not going to happen.

[f1since08]

Chadwick8505 said:

fIsince08 said:

Just a quick point. Rosberg should have a new gearbox for Suzuka as the 5 are up since Silverstone (plus he's allowed a fresh one anyway as he retired). That means this should be his last for the season, so it'll be at the end of its life at Abu Double.

Hamilton, meanwhile, got a new one after Spa. Therefore his is due for renewal after Austin, so it'll be three races fresher than Rosberg's in the finale...

Well that's quite interesting actually. Could be a huge advantage for Hamilton. Can you always get a new transmission if you retire without penalty? So if Rosberg retires at Austin he'd get a new one penalty-free, they'd be on the same terms coming to the end of the season?

Yes.

[Chadwick8505]

mike96 said:

Chadwick8505 said:

fIsince08 said:

Just a quick point. Rosberg should have a new gearbox for Suzuka as the 5 are up since Silverstone (plus he's allowed a fresh one anyway as he retired). That means this should be his last for the season, so it'll be at the end of its life at Abu Double.

Hamilton, meanwhile, got a new one after Spa. Therefore his is due for renewal after Austin, so it'll be three races fresher than Rosberg's in the finale...

Well that's quite interesting actually. Could be a huge advantage for Hamilton. Can you always get a new transmission if you retire without penalty? So if Rosberg retires at Austin he'd get a new one penalty-free, they'd be on the same terms coming to the end of the season?

Υes but it's 25 points lost to Hamilton so it's not going to happen.

I get, that I was more just curious about the rule and using an Austin retirement as an example. But even so giving up the 25 points might come to mean very little with double points on the last race. Or if Lewis retires in any of the remaining races.

[Chadwick8505]

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[Chadwick8505]

PLEASE DELETE

[ImRiteUrRong74]

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[VetteIfan]

Tommig1995 said:

VetteIfan said:

PeteTheDuck said:

I've just done some basic statistics workings out and here's what I've found.
- Mercedes should probably wrap up the constructors' title next time out at Suzuka
- Only Red Bull can take that constructors' title away from Mercedes
- Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vettel and Bottas are the only drivers who can mathematically still win the title
- Marcus Ericsson could win the next five races and finish 4th in the drivers' championship
- Caterham could acheive 1-2's at the next five races and finish 3rd in the constructors' championship

There's 258 points still available and they're 174 ahead of Red Bull. So unless Red Bull have a complete disaster, I'd say it is very unlikely that Mercedes will wrap up the WCC in Suzuka. It's only a matter of time after that though, obviously. 

(5+1) x 43 = 258
479 - 305 = 174
258 - 174 = 84

84 - 43 = 41

41 - 43 = -2
Therefore, Mercedes can win the constructors at Suzuka, providing that they take a maximum score, 43, and Red Bull score no more than 2 pts.

So yeah, exactly what I said. Unless Red Bull have a complete disaster, it probably won't happen in Suzuka :p

[RevolvingPrawn]

@GoldenColt Here you go bud, the current standings under the 10-6-4-3-2-1 points system :)

[GoldenColt]

I thought so. :)

Thnx.

[alonsofan46]

GoldenColt said:

I thought so. :)

Thnx.

Doesn't take a genius to figure that out though ;) . Hamilton has 3 more wins than Rosberg. My favourite system is the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1

[MBKF1]

I like the current system to be honest. You get given more for winning a grand prix which I think is a good thing, and you get points down to 10th place.

[RevolvingPrawn]

PeteTheDuck said:

I like the current system to be honest. You get given more for winning a grand prix which I think is a good thing, and you get points down to 10th place.

I don't :p It rewards far too many points for a win, and gives DNF's and crashes way too high a chance of deciding who might win a WDC. For me, I'd go with something closer to this.

1st.   15 points.
2nd.  10 points
3rd.   8 points
4th.   7 points
5th.   6 points
6th.   5 points
7th.   4 points
8th.   3 points
9th.   2 points
10th. 1 point

[Tommig1995]

RevolvingPrawn said:

PeteTheDuck said:

I like the current system to be honest. You get given more for winning a grand prix which I think is a good thing, and you get points down to 10th place.

I don't :p It rewards far too many points for a win, and gives DNF's and crashes way too high a chance of deciding who might win a WDC. For me, I'd go with something closer to this.

1st.   15 points.
2nd.  10 points
3rd.   8 points
4th.   7 points
5th.   6 points
6th.   5 points
7th.   4 points
8th.   3 points
9th.   2 points
10th. 1 point

I think that's mathematically worse. I've picked up from other people to compare points to the winner's as a percentage, so the current one is:

25  -  18  -  15 -  12 -  10  - 8   -  6  -   4  -  2  - 1
100% 72% 60% 48% 40% 32% 24% 16% 8% 4%

Yours gives:
15  -  10 -   8  -  7  -   6  -  5  -   4  -  3  -   2  -  1
100% 67% 53% 47% 40% 33% 27% 20% 13% 7%

So it benefits lower scores more relatively, but less for 2nd - 5th places.

[Chadwick8505]

There definitely needs to be a bonus for winning. But 7 points is a big bonus and really penalizes a retirement. I like Prawn's idea of 15-10-8...1

[RevolvingPrawn]

Tommig1995 said:

RevolvingPrawn said:

PeteTheDuck said:

I like the current system to be honest. You get given more for winning a grand prix which I think is a good thing, and you get points down to 10th place.

I don't :p It rewards far too many points for a win, and gives DNF's and crashes way too high a chance of deciding who might win a WDC. For me, I'd go with something closer to this.

1st.   15 points.
2nd.  10 points
3rd.   8 points
4th.   7 points
5th.   6 points
6th.   5 points
7th.   4 points
8th.   3 points
9th.   2 points
10th. 1 point

I think that's mathematically worse. I've picked up from other people to compare points to the winner's as a percentage, so the current one is:

25  -  18  -  15 -  12 -  10  - 8   -  6  -   4  -  2  - 1
100% 72% 60% 48% 40% 32% 24% 16% 8% 4%

Yours gives:
15  -  10 -   8  -  7  -   6  -  5  -   4  -  3  -   2  -  1
100% 67% 53% 47% 40% 33% 27% 20% 13% 7%

So it benefits lower scores more relatively, but less for 2nd - 5th places.

True, when you do it on percentages it isn't so great. But the reason I'd prefer that is that 7 points covers the top 3, instead of the current 10. And like @Chadwick8505 said, 7 points over 2nd is a big bonus, and it really penalises a retirement. Gonna do another table in a minute of this years WDC so far with my points system.

Edit: This is with my points.

[sjsharp2010]

VetteIfan said:

Tommig1995 said:

VetteIfan said:

PeteTheDuck said:

I've just done some basic statistics workings out and here's what I've found.
- Mercedes should probably wrap up the constructors' title next time out at Suzuka
- Only Red Bull can take that constructors' title away from Mercedes
- Hamilton, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Alonso, Vettel and Bottas are the only drivers who can mathematically still win the title
- Marcus Ericsson could win the next five races and finish 4th in the drivers' championship
- Caterham could acheive 1-2's at the next five races and finish 3rd in the constructors' championship

There's 258 points still available and they're 174 ahead of Red Bull. So unless Red Bull have a complete disaster, I'd say it is very unlikely that Mercedes will wrap up the WCC in Suzuka. It's only a matter of time after that though, obviously. 

(5+1) x 43 = 258
479 - 305 = 174
258 - 174 = 84

84 - 43 = 41

41 - 43 = -2
Therefore, Mercedes can win the constructors at Suzuka, providing that they take a maximum score, 43, and Red Bull score no more than 2 pts.

So yeah, exactly what I said. Unless Red Bull have a complete disaster, it probably won't happen in Suzuka :p

It'll take at least 2 if not 3 races to wrap that up I think depending on any reliability or crash related issues

[VetteIfan]

It really doesn't matter how you do the points scoring thing. If you lose 10 points due to a retirement from the lead in one season, it's just the same as losing 25 points for a win in another season. It's all relative to the rest of the positions. That fact is proved through all these different scoring systems that people have come up with - the result is still always Hamilton narrowly leading Rosberg. 

A scoring idea that I do find interesting is to have points all the way down to last place. Obviously this means the points for a win would have to start off quite high to gradually get lower 21 times, but it would always means drivers are always fighting for something. Not only would a fight like Marrusia vs Caterham be more exciting, but it's also more fair. Before this year when none of them ever scored points it would be decided by who did the best overall job in all the races and not who just got one fluky 11th/12th place finish. 

[sjsharp2010]

VetteIfan said:

It really doesn't matter how you do the points scoring thing. If you lose 10 points due to a retirement from the lead in one season, it's just the same as losing 25 points for a win in another season. It's all relative to the rest of the positions. That fact is proved through all these different scoring systems that people have come up with - the result is still always Hamilton narrowly leading Rosberg. 

A scoring idea that I do find interesting is to have points all the way down to last place. Obviously this means the points for a win would have to start off quite high to gradually get lower 21 times, but it would always means drivers are always fighting for something. Not only would a fight like Marrusia vs Caterham be more exciting, but it's also more fair. Before this year when none of them ever scored points it would be decided by who did the best overall job in all the races and not who just got one fluky 11th/12th place finish. 

I think they have a points system like that in Indycar not sure they'd ever incorporate it into F1 though but you never know.