Please Nerf the Assists - Assists Users Exploiting Setups

[Elliflyerboh 0]

@F3Tz 
I understand where your coming from more clearly now. Personally myself i have abs on and medium traction on. But i hate doing timetrial, i prefer longer races and this helps me enjoy the game more. But doesnt make it any easier. You still have to be able to brake accelerate etc. Perfect. To even be able to beat a no assist user cos i believe it is faster overall to have them off. 
Regarding Time trials its one lap wonders and pushing the limits of the track. But again overall majority of people with no assists are faster. And with a few more weeks as people get used the new handling etc the leaderboards will be back to normal.
But i have the opinion too that if you can be just as fast as no assist user with some assist on then you cant be going far wrong. At the end of the day it is a game and you should enjoy it which way it makes you happy. My race mates all have different assists on and off with what they are comfortable with, i never hear any no assist users moaning majority of them we race with enjoy having the competition and the exciting races than just being out in front on their own

[CmdrCody 0]

I'm an assist player, and was considering to give no-assist driving a go this year, as a fun challenge and also to get better lap times. But since the assists are so effective, there's no motivation for me to learn to drive without them. :/  Maybe manual shifting will give me a slight edge over automatic shifting, so I may at least make that change, but ABS and traction control basically essential.

[Caaaaam 0]

On pc by the looks of things most things on tt are dominated by no assists atm which is good news for that atleast.

[Arongy 0]

NickDahy said:

Dunky1980 said:

I'ts realistic Assists do make you faster and more consistent in real life F1. That's why its banned in F1!

The time trail leaderboards do need to be separate.

MP I would only enter room where assist are not allowed to be used.

The problem is if you are using that kind of "realistic logic", then there should be no assists in the game at all because the real cars do not have them.

Obviously it is nice to have them in the game so that people who are a little more casual can race competitively and I fully support that logic.  However they should be like .2 -.5 slower per lap instead of faster!  This way only the best non-assists users who have put in the time to drive realistic can be rewarded!  Assist drivers will never even notice these drivers because they are few and far between.  I do not see how you can argue against that point.  It is like any other competitive game.  If you are putting in the time and not taking shortcuts, you should be rewarded.

exactly but some people are too dumb to realise that

[CompLex1986 18]

Have you considered that you, a non-assist player, may actually just be that bad? The leaderboards don't indicate an imbalance between assists and non-assists. In fact, non-assist players are dominating. You shouldn't blame assist players for your lack of skill.

[F3Tz 9]

Elliflyerboh said:

@F3Tz 
I understand where your coming from more clearly now. Personally myself i have abs on and medium traction on. But i hate doing timetrial, i prefer longer races and this helps me enjoy the game more. But doesnt make it any easier. You still have to be able to brake accelerate etc. Perfect. To even be able to beat a no assist user cos i believe it is faster overall to have them off. 
Regarding Time trials its one lap wonders and pushing the limits of the track. But again overall majority of people with no assists are faster. And with a few more weeks as people get used the new handling etc the leaderboards will be back to normal.
But i have the opinion too that if you can be just as fast as no assist user with some assist on then you cant be going far wrong. At the end of the day it is a game and you should enjoy it which way it makes you happy. My race mates all have different assists on and off with what they are comfortable with, i never hear any no assist users moaning majority of them we race with enjoy having the competition and the exciting races than just being out in front on their own

I compete in two differnet leagues with differnent level of assists that are allowed to use. Of course it makes fun to race against each other no matter what kind of assists the other person is running. It's also true, that you push at antother level with assists then with no assists, but you do less mistakes with assists on, at least i would do so.
But i think the video of Limitless shows it, that at least on the Xbox side the assists are better. Let's see what happens. It would be great to see non assists players topping all the leaderboards. It would end this discussion :D
I personally think, that the game is just more fun without assists. You have to get used to it but once you are used to no assists it's so rewarding. Believe me, i did it myself last year and some friends of mine aswell. It would be awesome if the game would reward it even more with 0.2-0.5sec in raw speed instead of reaching a level of pace you had before with your assists.

CompLex1986 said:

Have you considered that you, a non-assist player, may actually just be that bad? The leaderboards don't indicate an imbalance between assists and non-assists. In fact, non-assist players are dominating. You shouldn't blame assist players for your lack of skill.

I'm not the best player that for sure and i don't complian about the fact that i only reach 50th place in the leaderboards. I'm not the number one non assists driver so there would be no point of complaining about an assits user that beats me.
But you get us wrong. We don't blame any assists player for using them! We just think that no assists should be faster on all platforms and for a driver like Limitless shouldn't it be possible to equal his pace after a couple of laps with assists.
It's just a matter of principle for me

[TicoF1gamer 0]

Swift747 said:

If you’re finding no assists to be slower, then you simply just aren’t fast. 

No assists always has, and always will be faster. It’s you who needs to up your game. 

Where the f*ck are you talking about, you can clearly see that assists are faster and they were always before. So please don't say things like this, if you don't know anything about it.

[CompLex1986 18]

F3Tz said:

Elliflyerboh said:

@F3Tz 
I understand where your coming from more clearly now. Personally myself i have abs on and medium traction on. But i hate doing timetrial, i prefer longer races and this helps me enjoy the game more. But doesnt make it any easier. You still have to be able to brake accelerate etc. Perfect. To even be able to beat a no assist user cos i believe it is faster overall to have them off. 
Regarding Time trials its one lap wonders and pushing the limits of the track. But again overall majority of people with no assists are faster. And with a few more weeks as people get used the new handling etc the leaderboards will be back to normal.
But i have the opinion too that if you can be just as fast as no assist user with some assist on then you cant be going far wrong. At the end of the day it is a game and you should enjoy it which way it makes you happy. My race mates all have different assists on and off with what they are comfortable with, i never hear any no assist users moaning majority of them we race with enjoy having the competition and the exciting races than just being out in front on their own

I compete in two differnet leagues with differnent level of assists that are allowed to use. Of course it makes fun to race against each other no matter what kind of assists the other person is running. It's also true, that you push at antother level with assists then with no assists, but you do less mistakes with assists on, at least i would do so.
But i think the video of Limitless shows it, that at least on the Xbox side the assists are better. Let's see what happens. It would be great to see non assists players topping all the leaderboards. It would end this discussion :D
I personally think, that the game is just more fun without assists. You have to get used to it but once you are used to no assists it's so rewarding. Believe me, i did it myself last year and some friends of mine aswell. It would be awesome if the game would reward it even more with 0.2-0.5sec in raw speed instead of reaching a level of pace you had before with your assists.

CompLex1986 said:

Have you considered that you, a non-assist player, may actually just be that bad? The leaderboards don't indicate an imbalance between assists and non-assists. In fact, non-assist players are dominating. You shouldn't blame assist players for your lack of skill.

I'm not the best player that for sure and i don't complian about the fact that i only reach 50th place in the leaderboards. I'm not the number one non assists driver so there would be no point of complaining about an assits user that beats me.
But you get us wrong. We don't blame any assists player for using them! We just think that no assists should be faster on all platforms and for a driver like Limitless shouldn't it be possible to equal his pace after a couple of laps with assists.
It's just a matter of principle for me

Alright, have you considered you are slower because you are not using assists?

[F3Tz 9]

CompLex1986 said:

Alright, have you considered you are slower because you are not using assists?

No, because there is so much time for me to find on the track on my settings.

[SirDriftalots 0]

I think the game should automatically add weight to the car if assists are used, both the (estimated) weight of the actual components needed for TC & ABS, and then again in the fuel needed to cover race distance due to the extra inefficiency added by an auto gearbox running traction control.

Realistcally, the using of 100% brake pressure even with ABS on should lead to brake temp issues that need to be managed to avoid failures, and in the long run provide an incentive to run without ABS.

let there be R&D elements that nullify these things in career mode to make players competitive in single player eventually, but have a no assists drivers car more competive in all game modes from the get go.

[coolieboy 0]

Ft3z wrote the the most truest statement in this entire thread, "The problem is the fact that the assist also make a perfect non assist driver quicker".  Isn't this the case in real life F1? So basically people want CM to be unrealistic in this regard but realistic to everything else.  Assists should make you quicker, and that's a fact.  CM does not hide who is using assist so if it's a "pride" thing then non assist users are covered.

Codemaster should not nerf the effects of assists.  Instead they need to include the addition of assist into the damage model. For example, those using ABS and 100% brake pressure, should have much higher brake wear and much higher brake temps.  

[patronas 14]

Has any of use looked at the top times on the event all top players didnt use assists to get there times 

[F3Tz 9]

You get less points if you're using assists aren't you?

coolieboy said:

Ft3z wrote the the most truest statement in this entire thread, "The problem is the fact that the assist also make a perfect non assist driver quicker".  Isn't this the case in real life F1? So basically people want CM to be unrealistic in this regard but realistic to everything else.  Assists should make you quicker, and that's a fact.  CM does not hide who is using assist so if it's a "pride" thing then non assist users are covered.

Codemaster should not nerf the effects of assists.  Instead they need to include the addition of assist into the damage model. For example, those using ABS and 100% brake pressure, should have much higher brake wear and much higher brake temps.  

Ofc they would make the real drivers faster, but if the game would only simulate the real F1 there wouldn't be any assists in the game. Codies introduced the assists to help out newcomers or people that are very casual. So it's just a help in the game that doesn't even exist in real life. The help should stay as a help that compromise you in other ways and not as a buff for everyone.

[TeS Roland 19]

I just looked at the dry time trial times. On 5 out of the 24 circuits/layouts there is an assist user on number 1. So where is the fuzz about? Still too much assist users in the top? Give it time. Sure all leader boards will be non assist in a few weeks time. 

[NickDahy 0]

CmdrCody said:

I'm an assist player, and was considering to give no-assist driving a go this year, as a fun challenge and also to get better lap times. But since the assists are so effective, there's no motivation for me to learn to drive without them. :/  Maybe manual shifting will give me a slight edge over automatic shifting, so I may at least make that change, but ABS and traction control basically essential.

Yes manual shifting will definitely help you out but this is exactly what I am talking about there is no motivation to try them without.

I am not sure where you guys are looking at times but on PS4 its all assists at the top.  For PC there are less assisted users, but I think that's because PC drivers tend to be more sim and more PC drivers have wheels.

Trust me they are an issue, especially in the WET and also for CONSISTENCY.  I pointed out the leaderboards just so you can have a look.  To me it is more about lobby racing, especially on the harder compound tires.

[coach83 0]

Agree completely

its frustrating especially when online racing.

I love no aids, but find I'm falling behind the guys with med TC and ABS on when racing.

Why can't there be a larger weight penalty per aid turned on? Something to encourage people to turn Aids off?

I've messaged this to Jenny before and mentioned in the Beta forums.

I guess Codemasters aren't interested in doing something to encourage players to turn off aids and make a fair battle online...

[lolschrauber 2]

Swift747 said:

If you’re finding no assists to be slower, then you simply just aren’t fast. 

No assists always has, and always will be faster. It’s you who needs to up your game. 

Good joke.

[thatDutchguy83 84]

yeah this is definitely true.. i do time trials a lot.. for example.. drive 15 laps on Spa best 1.44.688.  then only 3 laps with ABS low and TC medium ..  Bamm.. won almost 2 full seconds.  (using wheel). i think every track  top 10 TT times are assisted now.  

[cheech219360 0]

BERTEL said:

yeah this is definitely true.. i do time trials a lot.. for example.. drive 15 laps on Spa best 1.44.688.  then only 3 laps with ABS low and TC medium ..  Bamm.. won almost 2 full seconds.  (using wheel). i think every track  top 10 TT times are assisted now.  

just been testing assist users setups. there is no way of keeping up with them with there setup undriveble without assist. this needs fixing.

[NickDahy 0]

cheech219360 said:

BERTEL said:

yeah this is definitely true.. i do time trials a lot.. for example.. drive 15 laps on Spa best 1.44.688.  then only 3 laps with ABS low and TC medium ..  Bamm.. won almost 2 full seconds.  (using wheel). i think every track  top 10 TT times are assisted now.  

just been testing assist users setups. there is no way of keeping up with them with there setup undriveble without assist. this needs fixing.

Yeah see that's the thing like I mentioned in the original post is the exploiting of setups.  The assists setups are undrivable not using them so something needs to be rebalanced.....  Good tracks to see this on ps4 are Singapore and Baku, but I just checked again on ps4 and the only tracks that have some no assist drivers right at the top are Silverstone and Japan. 

[NickDahy 0]

So maybe the problem is that they were balanced only around a track or two when more should have been looked at. 

[cheech219360 0]

NickDahy said:

cheech219360 said:

BERTEL said:

yeah this is definitely true.. i do time trials a lot.. for example.. drive 15 laps on Spa best 1.44.688.  then only 3 laps with ABS low and TC medium ..  Bamm.. won almost 2 full seconds.  (using wheel). i think every track  top 10 TT times are assisted now.  

just been testing assist users setups. there is no way of keeping up with them with there setup undriveble without assist. this needs fixing.

Yeah see that's the thing like I mentioned in the original post is the exploiting of setups.  The assists setups are undrivable not using the, so something needs to be rebalanced.....

yea definitely. i cant see it being fixed though. 

[TabascoXL 0]

You are debating against a whole group of people, the ones that use assists, like myself, and say that the game should not be as rewarding for us as it is for you, driving with the assists off should be a challenge, thats the whole point, it should naturally be hard to play the game with assists turned off.

[lolschrauber 2]

cheech219360 said:

BERTEL said:

yeah this is definitely true.. i do time trials a lot.. for example.. drive 15 laps on Spa best 1.44.688.  then only 3 laps with ABS low and TC medium ..  Bamm.. won almost 2 full seconds.  (using wheel). i think every track  top 10 TT times are assisted now.  

just been testing assist users setups. there is no way of keeping up with them with there setup undriveble without assist. this needs fixing.

Yep, it has always been like that. Make ultra fast setups that are undriveable and just turn on assists to nulify the terrible driveability. Bingo! Welcome to the top!

[cheech219360 0]

lolschrauber said:

cheech219360 said:

BERTEL said:

yeah this is definitely true.. i do time trials a lot.. for example.. drive 15 laps on Spa best 1.44.688.  then only 3 laps with ABS low and TC medium ..  Bamm.. won almost 2 full seconds.  (using wheel). i think every track  top 10 TT times are assisted now.  

just been testing assist users setups. there is no way of keeping up with them with there setup undriveble without assist. this needs fixing.

Yep, it has always been like that. Make ultra fast setups that are undriveable and just turn on assists to nulify the terrible driveability. Bingo! Welcome to the top!

if i was todo this i'd smash the leaderboads howeve i want to stay assist free. dont see why i should use assisted buggy setups CM sould sort it out.