Please Nerf the Assists - Assists Users Exploiting Setups

[NickDahy 0]

In the beta once again no assists was faster, but now that this game is released and the leader boards have settled the assists user are spiking at the top.

Even when using the same setup assists are looking about  0.2-0.5 faster depending on the track.  The problem is that you are not taking into account how assist users can exploit the setups.

Prime example is how they can use 100% brake pressure and not get a penalty for that.  No driver in real life could ever do that, and when I try this with no assists on a wheel it is instant lockup at not even half braking.  There is no chance for me being able to do that.  They can also run a lower wing setup because the car is more stable.

As for traction, I can make the setup just about as good as medium traction control, but then I am compromising other aspects of the car like turn in and high speed cornering which assist users do not have to worry about.

Why is it that in the beta you always make them slower, but then when the game is released you bump them back up?  Are you just satisfying the diehard players because you know for a beta more of them may be no assists than when the general public gets the game?

You guys are going to do E Sports which is exactly what you should be doing as the physics are the best attempt yet and the cars are really fun to drive, but how on earth are you going to incorporate that with assists being imbalanced?  Will they be banned from that?

Sorry because I really do HATE writing these columns and the debate for an against will ensue, but seriously there is no incentive to run no assists, and its a shame because if you do that it really dumb downs the best physics yet from Codemasters. 

I just hope that someone from Codemasters reads this.  I would be really curious to hear what someone like Greco feel about this one.

@jennyannem

[Driver74 4]

NickDahy said:

In the beta once again no assists was faster, but now that this game is released and the leader boards have settled the assists user are spiking at the top.

Even when using the same setup assists are looking about  0.2-0.5 faster depending on the track.  The problem is that you are not taking into account how assist users can exploit the setups.

Prime example is how they can use 100% brake pressure and not get a penalty for that.  No driver in real life could ever do that, and when I try this with no assists on a wheel it is instant lockup at not even half braking.  There is no chance for me being able to do that.  They can also run a lower wing setup because the car is more stable.

As for traction, I can make the setup just about as good as medium traction control, but then I am compromising other aspects of the car like turn in and high speed cornering which assist users do not have to worry about.

Why is it that in the beta you always make them slower, but then when the game is released you bump them back up?  Are you just satisfying the diehard players because you know for a beta more of them may be no assists than when the general public gets the game?

You guys are going to do E Sports which is exactly what you should be doing as the physics are the best attempt yet and the cars are really fun to drive, but how on earth are you going to incorporate that with assists being imbalanced?  Will they be banned from that?

Sorry because I really do HATE writing these columns and the debate for an against will ensue, but seriously there is no incentive to run no assists, and its a shame because if you do that it really dumb downs the best physics yet from Codemasters. 

I just hope that someone from Codemasters reads this.  I would be really curious to hear what someone like Greco feel about this one.

@jennyannem

So true!!!!
My league mates and i think the same.
I hope they change.

[Caaaaam 0]

I totally agreed. Assists have to be nerfed to ensure that they essentially don't have an edge over what is the more challenging way of playing with no assists, which reslly isn't too tricky once practiced on for those people who have never usedthen before :)

[F3Tz 9]

I just openend a smiliar thread a few days ago.
I just agree with you and would like to add another point. It's not just the one lap pace! It's just way easier to operate at the limit.
So with assits you just do less mistakes as well as being less punished for those mistakes. So your racepace is just better. You feel more confident in pushing if the game helps you out. If you are the number one in the leaderboars or number 1000, it doesn't matter.

[Dunky1980 50]

I'ts realistic Assists do make you faster and more consistent in real life F1. That's why its banned in F1!

The time trail leaderboards do need to be separate.

MP I would only enter room where assist are not allowed to be used.

[NickDahy 0]

Dunky1980 said:

I'ts realistic Assists do make you faster and more consistent in real life F1. That's why its banned in F1!

The time trail leaderboards do need to be separate.

MP I would only enter room where assist are not allowed to be used.

The problem is if you are using that kind of "realistic logic", then there should be no assists in the game at all because the real cars do not have them.

Obviously it is nice to have them in the game so that people who are a little more casual can race competitively and I fully support that logic.  However they should be like .2 -.5 slower per lap instead of faster!  This way only the best non-assists users who have put in the time to drive realistic can be rewarded!  Assist drivers will never even notice these drivers because they are few and far between.  I do not see how you can argue against that point.  It is like any other competitive game.  If you are putting in the time and not taking shortcuts, you should be rewarded.

[TeS Roland 19]

As an assist user playing on a gamepad, I totally agree with you.

[MichaelDecker 8]

Ok lets talk about futuristic. If you want to go out and buy me a setup so i can drive with no assits go ahead. Until they learn that some people play on a controller, and you are talking about how real that is lmao. Really. Driving on a pad is alot harder than you think

[raggedrabbit 0]

I also agree. I've been wringing the neck of the car around Singapore in TT with all assists off, and it's frustrating to see how much the rest of the top 100 is dominated by aid users. Please Codemasters let us have separate leaderboards. Or equalise performance better. 

[NickDahy 0]

MichaelDecker said:

Ok lets talk about futuristic. If you want to go out and buy me a setup so i can drive with no assits go ahead. Until they learn that some people play on a controller, and you are talking about how real that is lmao. Really. Driving on a pad is alot harder than you think

I was just speaking to assists vs non assists.  To me so far the pad and wheel seem pretty balanced and both are very very hard to master, hence my thread on equalizing the assists for non-assist users.

[Dynosu 2]

i dont think the assists need to be nerfed. I think the leaderboards need to be seperate. This would give both sides of the issue a fair fight dont you think? 

I dont care either way, i dont do time trials that seriously nor will i ever be near the top regardless. 

[MrMeeseeks90 0]

Dynosu said:

i dont think the assists need to be nerfed. I think the leaderboards need to be seperate. This would give both sides of the issue a fair fight dont you think? 

I dont care either way, i dont do time trials that seriously nor will i ever be near the top regardless. 

+1. I have no clue as to why this isn't just the way it is. Seems ridiculous to me. Like, have the devs never played any other racing game? 

[F3Tz 9]

Dynosu said:

i dont think the assists need to be nerfed. I think the leaderboards need to be seperate. This would give both sides of the issue a fair fight dont you think? 

I dont care either way, i dont do time trials that seriously nor will i ever be near the top regardless. 

You don't care, but many other people do so.

It's not just TT, TT is only the indicator that assits are faster. The problem is in online lobbies and especially in league races. You can have the case, that the 2nd best driver of a league wins the league only because he is using assits and the best driver want to play the game as it's supposed to be played, like a "simulation" and the real cars don't have any assits so you want to play without and get punished for it by losing races to assits driver who are just better cuz of the assits they're running.

[versedi 39]

MrMeeseeks90 said:

Dynosu said:

i dont think the assists need to be nerfed. I think the leaderboards need to be seperate. This would give both sides of the issue a fair fight dont you think? 

I dont care either way, i dont do time trials that seriously nor will i ever be near the top regardless. 

+1. I have no clue as to why this isn't just the way it is. Seems ridiculous to me. Like, have the devs never played any other racing game? 

Redone mistake all over from every game. Dirt Rally and Dirt 4 are also suffering from this.

Codies we need separate leaderboards.

[NickDahy 0]

F3Tz said:

Dynosu said:

i dont think the assists need to be nerfed. I think the leaderboards need to be seperate. This would give both sides of the issue a fair fight dont you think? 

I dont care either way, i dont do time trials that seriously nor will i ever be near the top regardless. 

You don't care, but many other people do so.

It's not just TT, TT is only the indicator that assits are faster. The problem is in online lobbies and especially in league races. You can have the case, that the 2nd best driver of a league wins the league only because he is using assits and the best driver want to play the game as it's supposed to be played, like a "simulation" and the real cars don't have any assits so you want to play without and get punished for it by losing races to assits driver who are just better cuz of the assits they're running.

This is very much how I feel. But the worst is when people who can easily drive with them off put them on because it makes them faster.  People will do whatever will let them win and I understand that.  Codie's should just not enable this.  

[7thGearRL 8]

Couldn't agree more, as someone who uses no assists it's very frustrating that my friends have assists which are OP

[dwin20 82]

@jennyannem - would be interesting to take the mean times from the leaderboards for each track for those with assists and those without and see the comparison.  That would also show which track assists were more helpful and those where they aren't - also kind of interesting to find out...

[lolschrauber 2]

Nothing new. Ridiculously fast but unstable setups. Assists delete this unstable weakness. - Tada, you're ultra fast.

Completely stupid.

I've seen plenty of leagues looking for players but I usually just laugh when I see "TC setting: Medium"

Many of the guys who claim that they're super fast would get crushed if they played with my settings.

[F3Tz 9]

True, we could set up our own no assits league, which is free to join. First come first serve

[Elliflyerboh 0]

Guys i agree with you with assists helping out alot. But some people need them and want to be competitive and race with people who are fast. 
Some people need the assist are people with disabilities, new people starting the game among other reasons. So i think its abit unfair this topic. 
But it also takes alot more to be good at this game. 
Hitting apexs, hitting braking zones, being able to be consistent in lap times, the longer the races the hard it is. 
Racing against other people in close proximity is also a challenge. 
What i am saying is assist dont just make you good at this game they help you.
Also for people who choose to boycott assist that is a choice you make.

[Swift747 26]

If you’re finding no assists to be slower, then you simply just aren’t fast. 

No assists always has, and always will be faster. It’s you who needs to up your game. 

[Foreverchamps 1]

Dunky1980 said:

I'ts realistic Assists do make you faster and more consistent in real life F1. That's why its banned in F1!

The time trail leaderboards do need to be separate.

MP I would only enter room where assist are not allowed to be used.

That is exactly why assists should be slower in the game - why are some players allowed to use things that are banned in real life, and then they can beat those who are using more skill and playing by the real life rules.

I agree to have assists to help those who are new to the game, but they shouldn't be used to make you quicker.

[speeddemon8021 0]

For me I don't see the problem as being no assists is faster coz I don't think it is but it's fast enough to where there is no incentive to turn them off.On 2013 no assists was clearly quicker and if I wanted to compete at a higher level I damn well better turn them off and I had to put hours into getting used to it but it paid off I found 2 seconds almost immediately.That just wouldn't happen now.

[F3Tz 9]

Elliflyerboh said:

Guys i agree with you with assists helping out alot. But some people need them and want to be competitive and race with people who are fast. 
Some people need the assist are people with disabilities, new people starting the game among other reasons. So i think its abit unfair this topic. 
But it also takes alot more to be good at this game. 
Hitting apexs, hitting braking zones, being able to be consistent in lap times, the longer the races the hard it is. 
Racing against other people in close proximity is also a challenge. 
What i am saying is assist dont just make you good at this game they help you.
Also for people who choose to boycott assist that is a choice you make.

Don't get us wrong, to have assits in this game is a great thing. It really helps you out if you are new to the game.
We know that and support it.!
The problem is the fact that the assists also make a perfect non assits driver faster. Someone who has all the abilities you mentioned above.
I even understand if the perfect non assists driver turns on medium TC and ABS to get faster. This is what happens with the TT leaderboards at the moment. Brilliant players turn on medium TC and ABS to get even faster and start to top all the leaderboards. That is our problem and we think this shouldn't be the case.

Swift747 said:

If you’re finding no assists to be slower, then you simply just aren’t fast. 

No assists always has, and always will be faster. It’s you who needs to up your game. 

Ok so you are on top of the TT leaderboards without assists? Let me have a look.....ohh it's someone with medium TC and ABS. Yeah the best non assists drivers  in the world, like TRL Limitless, are just to bad in the game to beat the assits guys? :smiley: .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4oWSRVZcOo

Just watch the video. He is one of the best non assits players out threre. He equals his pace after a couple of laps with a setup that doesn't even exploit the break pressure etc.


Sry for the harsh sarcasm, but that comment derserved it.
 

[softy94 11]

ABS and TC medium is the problem.........