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career mode & changes in construction order over the ten years

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Hi Guys, 

I'm currently playing career mode in season 1 and I'm in the McHonda. 

I was wondering if any of you know just how much change there is in the constructors championship by the time you get to season ten. Obviously the car that you as a player are in has the potential to be as good as the Merc (not sure if that is even the case) but do teams fall from grace or make resurgencies without you driving for them? 

I ask because I'm not really interested for driving for a top three team but would jump into a Red Bull or a Ferrari if they fell behind, say, the Williams in season 5.
 

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I think teams do move up and down but it takes a lot longer. I'm on S4 and all of the teams apart from Force India who I'm driving for haven't moved up or down they are all in S1 order. I've only just moved ahead of Williams. 

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That's kinda disappointing. I always thought I was gonna stick with McLaren for the long haul and the fact that there's not been any change since season 1 for you means that's confirmed.. shame though, would have been exciting to get into a Ferrari that's as useless as the early 90's car and build an up to Schumacher standards.. 

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Leeboi85 said:
That's kinda disappointing. I always thought I was gonna stick with McLaren for the long haul and the fact that there's not been any change since season 1 for you means that's confirmed.. shame though, would have been exciting to get into a Ferrari that's as useless as the early 90's car and build an up to Schumacher standards.. 
The game is only meant to replicate the 2017-2020 period as if nothing happened with regards to driver changes, teams putting out revolutionary cars or changing engine suppliers. The lack of order changes is entirely realistic. I hope you're ready to laugh at Red Bull once they become backmarkers in 2019 with their brand new Honda engine.

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Coffer said:
Leeboi85 said:
That's kinda disappointing. I always thought I was gonna stick with McLaren for the long haul and the fact that there's not been any change since season 1 for you means that's confirmed.. shame though, would have been exciting to get into a Ferrari that's as useless as the early 90's car and build an up to Schumacher standards.. 
The game is only meant to replicate the 2017-2020 period as if nothing happened with regards to driver changes, teams putting out revolutionary cars or changing engine suppliers. The lack of order changes is entirely realistic. I hope you're ready to laugh at Red Bull once they become backmarkers in 2019 with their brand new Honda engine.
Is that what Codemasters have come out and said or is that an opinion? I'm not talking about Haas putting out revolutionary cars and all of a sudden being the best car on the grid in season 2,5 or 7 or anything like that. I was merely hoping that teams could keep developing their cars and climbing up the development graph and the possibility of a big team faltering and not developing at the same rate.

As for Redbull, all I know is seeing Verstappen or Ricciardo in a Merc in 2019 is damn exciting.  


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Leeboi85 said:
Coffer said:
Leeboi85 said:
That's kinda disappointing. I always thought I was gonna stick with McLaren for the long haul and the fact that there's not been any change since season 1 for you means that's confirmed.. shame though, would have been exciting to get into a Ferrari that's as useless as the early 90's car and build an up to Schumacher standards.. 
The game is only meant to replicate the 2017-2020 period as if nothing happened with regards to driver changes, teams putting out revolutionary cars or changing engine suppliers. The lack of order changes is entirely realistic. I hope you're ready to laugh at Red Bull once they become backmarkers in 2019 with their brand new Honda engine.
Is that what Codemasters have come out and said or is that an opinion? I'm not talking about Haas putting out revolutionary cars and all of a sudden being the best car on the grid in season 2,5 or 7 or anything like that. I was merely hoping that teams could keep developing their cars and climbing up the development graph and the possibility of a big team faltering and not developing at the same rate.

As for Redbull, all I know is seeing Verstappen or Ricciardo in a Merc in 2019 is damn exciting. 
It's a fact based on the way the career mode is implemented, and the low likelihood of anything changing in real life is heavily backed by statements from the paddock, like Horner less than a week ago. The revolutionary cars bit is mostly about things like McLaren being idiots in 2013.

>I was merely hoping that teams could keep developing their cars and climbing up the development graph and the possibility of a big team faltering and not developing at the same rate.
That kind of is happening, though from what I've seen it's mostly hardcoded as it's always the same rate of progression. Williams always get caught relatively quickly by the other T2s, Mercedes and Red Bull always seem to outdevelop Ferrari, while Sauber and especially McLaren are closing the gap to the other T2s faster than the T2s themselves are closing the gap to Williams. Plus, given that you cannot get every performance component by the end of S10, you can at least influence this via your own team, as ideally you will be outdeveloping everyone if you play the long game, as teams like McLaren should.

>As for Redbull, all I know is seeing Verstappen or Ricciardo in a Merc in 2019 is damn exciting. 
They wouldn't stand a chance against Vettel and Hamilton, not without calamitous seasons like 2011 or 2014 which are unlikely to happen again until 2021.

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Can't disagree with your analysis of the R & D from what I've seen in season one apart from on mine Ferari have just gone equal with Merc at the Mexico GP. I will expect that to change soon though. 

 Don't get me wrong, I'm a massive Ham/Seb fan but I can't help but feel both Verstappen and Ricciardo would run them alot closer than Kimi or Valterri are currently.

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Teams used to change postions in 2016 merc were 5 6 th fastest team by the 6th season so dont see why it wouldent be the case here as its all the same kind of lay out to 2016 im with force india season 2 spa and ive had a battle trying to keep renault behind is as the seem to be developing canny fast ive just jumped williams for 4th and if renault keep going the way the have then the should jump them as well but it was in last years game so cant see why it wont be in this year im a bit disspointed the have took the teams of the news section where last year it would pop up in news bit what team has upgraded and what upgrades the have put on the car the have all so took the delta of from leader to ur postion thought that was nice little feature in last years game 

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After 10 years, and possible much less, all teams will finish their development tree. So the differences between the teams will be as in the beginning. 
If all teams get exactly the same development done, everything will be back at point 0.

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Alon78 said:
After 10 years, and possible much less, all teams will finish their development tree. So the differences between the teams will be as in the beginning. 
If all teams get exactly the same development done, everything will be back at point 0.
If that's the case, what is the point?? By that logic the Mclaren will always be two seconds slower than the Merc which would render the whole idea of development within the career as redundant. Really hope that isn't the case. 

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