McLaren Team Mate not getting engine updates?

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First and last time codemasters for me. Unbelievable!

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@F1Support Could you give us an update on the McLaren teammate bug, please? We've just seen it's not featured in the new patch notes, and we'd like to know what the situation is.

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No sign of any comments in the technical section either. Sounds like they may have given up.

TAKIINOUE said:

Raalte said:

But I doubt if we will ever agree. Seems your perception of a good driver is very different than mine. I see Senna as 1 of the greatest. You already said 5 names that you think are better. I fully disagree on that.

 Of course Senna is one of the greatest. The Benetton car of '93 was ahead of McLaren (they had the latest Ford engine all season, McLaren did not, even Schumacher boasted that their car was faster during the season), yet Senna won 5 races that year and Schumacher 1. 

 It is absolute insanity for anyone to think that Hakkinen or Lauda were better than Senna. Hakkinen had a few seasons where he lost to Coulthard (he was handed his first two career wins by Coulthard, otherwise he'd have been yet to win a race while DC had 5 wins) and was outqualified by Herbert early in his career. Even John Watson beat Lauda (both seasons) when they were teammates at McLaren. They were not on Senna's level, unless John Watson also was LOL.

My implication isn't that he wasn't great, it's that he's not top 5 material. And with Vettel and Alonso also being better, he already has no place in there.

Coulthard only beat Hakkinen when 1. Hakkinen had the same rate of engine failures as Vettel (2010) in 1997 when he lost several wins through no fault of his own, and 2. when Hakkinen flat-out gave up after Australia 2001. Outside of that, Hakkinen trounced him, and rightly so. And Coulthard himself was no slouch, and if he had returned to Williams in 2003 and replaced Montoya or Ralf he would've easily won the championship in what was by far the best car that year.

Regarding Benetton, I'm talking about 1992 where there is no such excuse, and 1993 the rest of the car was miles worse than the McLaren.

>Even John Watson beat Lauda (both seasons) when they were teammates at McLaren.
Goes to show how individual seasons say nothing about the overall quality of a driver. In fact, this completely destroys your argument.

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Punition said:

They just updated patch 1.10 look at that they did not add anything for team mate upgrade. So Bad.

Im pretty sure 1.10 is NOT gonna be the last patch, so we'll see

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Frosty2081 said:

Punition said:

They just updated patch 1.10 look at that they did not add anything for team mate upgrade. So Bad.

Im pretty sure 1.10 is NOT gonna be the last patch, so we'll see

If it isn't, then this will officially be the longest development cycle for a CM F1 game to date. I wouldn't hold my breath considering their comments regarding that as of late.

[atpMaverick 1]

Pretty sure the tire wear bug last year was fixed (sort of) last January/february? Always a chance but any type of reassurance seems like rocking horse... Well you know the rest

[echo321 0]

it's interresting though that not everyone has this bug... just give them time. you wouldn't be happier if cm would tell us every 2 days: "We haven't solved it yet, but we working on it"... You know this even without being told every 2 days...

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echo321 said:

it's interresting though that not everyone has this bug... just give them time. you wouldn't be happier if cm would tell us every 2 days: "We haven't solved it yet, but we working on it"... You know this even without being told every 2 days...

Haven't seen anyone claiming there McLaren engine upgrades work.

I would be happy of they tell it 1 time. Now they're silent for weeks. Just an update if it's gonna be fixed. Only thing they stated that it's complicated and wouldn't be part of patch 1.9. That was 2 weeks ago. Nothing yet, after multiple people asking for an update.

@F1Support @CmRachel @jennyannem

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Coffer said:

Frosty2081 said:

Punition said:

They just updated patch 1.10 look at that they did not add anything for team mate upgrade. So Bad.

Im pretty sure 1.10 is NOT gonna be the last patch, so we'll see

If it isn't, then this will officially be the longest development cycle for a CM F1 game to date. I wouldn't hold my breath considering their comments regarding that as of late.

I know its not because they posted on a thread in the Tech Assistance forum, about the massive amount of grid penalties in the last 5 races of Career mode seasons, that "It will be fixed in a future patch." And that reply was posted 1 day before 1.9 came out. And since it;s not in the notes of 1.10 That SHOULD mean that we should be getting at least 1 more patch from them after 1.10

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Coffer said:

No sign of any comments in the technical section either. Sounds like they may have given up.

TAKIINOUE said:

Raalte said:

But I doubt if we will ever agree. Seems your perception of a good driver is very different than mine. I see Senna as 1 of the greatest. You already said 5 names that you think are better. I fully disagree on that.

 Of course Senna is one of the greatest. The Benetton car of '93 was ahead of McLaren (they had the latest Ford engine all season, McLaren did not, even Schumacher boasted that their car was faster during the season), yet Senna won 5 races that year and Schumacher 1. 

 It is absolute insanity for anyone to think that Hakkinen or Lauda were better than Senna. Hakkinen had a few seasons where he lost to Coulthard (he was handed his first two career wins by Coulthard, otherwise he'd have been yet to win a race while DC had 5 wins) and was outqualified by Herbert early in his career. Even John Watson beat Lauda (both seasons) when they were teammates at McLaren. They were not on Senna's level, unless John Watson also was LOL.

My implication isn't that he wasn't great, it's that he's not top 5 material. And with Vettel and Alonso also being better, he already has no place in there.

Coulthard only beat Hakkinen when 1. Hakkinen had the same rate of engine failures as Vettel (2010) in 1997 when he lost several wins through no fault of his own, and 2. when Hakkinen flat-out gave up after Australia 2001. Outside of that, Hakkinen trounced him, and rightly so. And Coulthard himself was no slouch, and if he had returned to Williams in 2003 and replaced Montoya or Ralf he would've easily won the championship in what was by far the best car that year.

Regarding Benetton, I'm talking about 1992 where there is no such excuse, and 1993 the rest of the car was miles worse than the McLaren.

>Even John Watson beat Lauda (both seasons) when they were teammates at McLaren.
Goes to show how individual seasons say nothing about the overall quality of a driver. In fact, this completely destroys your argument.

 It doesn't destroy anything. It would if Watson got lucky one season, but it was over two years. Not to mention that Lauda was extremely fortunate to win the 1984 world title. The McLaren in 93 really was an awful car, look at Michael Andretti *chuckle*. He generally qualified in the midfield. Even in 92, Senna won 3 races to Schumacher's 1.

 Coulthard was pretty poor IMO. Well beaten by Damon Hill, who is one of the worst world champions (along with Villeneuve, Phil Hill, Hawthorn, Hulme, Scheckter, Surtees and Jones), and only managed one race win in a fantastic Williams car. But like you're not saying Senna isn't great, I'm not saying Hakkinen is bad, just not on the same level as Senna. 

 Vettel ahead of Senna makes even less sense to me. I'd put both Alonso and Hamilton ahead of him (Alonso went as far as saying that Vettel wasn't on the same level as Hamilton and he would know more than any of us). But those arguments run and run. 

 We do agree on something, however. Williams had a great car in 2003 but lacked the quality drivers to make the most of the situation. Ralf was likely only in the sport because of his name. Montoya proved (as if proof were needed any more) that Indy Car success is pretty worthless in a true world championship.