Do you think they will use an excuse?

[CodingRacer 115]

We all get the game is abandoned already. What trick do you think they will use?

- Too much work because we are focusing on the next game, but this time it's going to be awesome, bolder, greater, bigger!
- We will communicate something when we have something to say (again, as nothing forever).
- Radio silence.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Dirt4 but not buying a new Codemasters title again in the future.

[DiscoDave 0]

Transparency has clearly not been an priority for CM. There's no clear timeframe, framework or tracking of issues. CM seem to pick and choose which issues they want to address and ignore others, presumably either because it will take too much time or resource to rectify.

Alarm bells should have rung when the review copies had Multiplayer allegedly disabled. I wonder why.

[CodingRacer 115]

They should say at least what they are planning to fix, and the time frame. I don't know who is the brilliant brain after the "Don't say anything", but they don't deserve much after all the hype the artificially created.

Do they think they are going to loose selling a few extra copies if they officially say the game is dead?

PD: I like that message on my inbox saying "You've not played in the last 14 days...", I've tried! But no one is playing! They could literally remove all the online stuff and use that time to make extra content.

[88stix88 0]

If you phone and talk to technical they blame you for all problems in the game, don’t show any interest in anything you have to say, but I must add it always seems to be the same person you talk to.
Dirt Rally is a much better game, but needs extensions to keep us playing, and I admit I haven’t got all the trophy’s yet but they seem impossible once you upgrade to higher levels.
Codemasters could learn a bit from WRC. games regarding full season stages etc.
And they could learn by listening to there customers.

[MiatakiasGR 1]

And they could learn by listening to there customers.
Since i am registered in this forums i alwats see this proposal again and again but nothing is changing

We asked for a Race drive Grid remastered but or to reopen the online servers but they did not do it.
We ask for text chat in their games but they do not do it because of the technical difficulties (i have played thousands of rediculous free to play or 2-3 euros cost games on steam that they have text chat)
They spoke about an improved handling model in Dirt 4 compare to Dirt Rally but they only we got is a mess of sim and arcade handling that definately satisfy nobody of the 2 target groups.. (Dirt 4 is not bad at all but not great)
They promised endless stages in Dirt 4 but you feel like playing in same tracks again and again succeding the opposite result compare to what they wanted..
They abandoned the great Dirt rally for Dirt 4 that is already abandoned..?
They pissed us off with Grid 2 which was terrible compare to Grid 1 and they made one year later GAS which had almost the same content with Grid2 (GAS is one of the best latest codies games though for me)

And is anybody still optimistic that they will listen to their customers..?? I dont think so thats why Dirt's 4 forums has not much people left..
With Pcars 2 and Forza 7 on PC i will have great racing games to deal with for many years , so no big problem for me if codies will be recovered or not..
I hope this Drive's Club devs called evolution studios that codies bought to help the company to make again great games as in the past..

[enamel 0]

Are you insinuating they canceled the upcoming update with Club functionality?

[Janneman60 163]

enamel said:

Are you insinuating they canceled the upcoming update with Club functionality?

Do you think there are many peopke left who care about clubs? They (CM) left it to long...

[CodingRacer 115]

enamel said:

Are you insinuating they canceled the upcoming update with Club functionality?

I think so, ence my question. What would be the point on updating a game that people is forgetting about? The always give the same answer: "We are working on it", "Two weeks (edited it might take longer", "Cool new things", and so on. They try to create hype again just to get a few extra copies sold. If they didn't solve some of the bugs with Dirt Rally they will not fix them on a dead game.

It's a shame but they should care about us a little more. At the end of the thay we pay their salaries, and it's not a good sign doing whatever they want and ignoring us. They only go after money (yeah, I know, they are a company not a charity), so I expect them to make Dirt 5 (but rebranded) saying same hypenacious things again, but never admiting how wrong they are doing it now.

Also being a developer at Codemasters must be frustrating knowing that they push for making a long lasting game.

And now CM, prove I'm wrong!

[DoubleTen 137]

I hope you're wrong.
Hype is passed since its release, so why they should lie to us customers?
for DiRT Rally no one said "we will update it soon" after the final release. They've started writing things like "news are coming soon"

[tbtstt 2,460]

DiscoDave said:

Transparency has clearly not been an priority for CM. 

Have to say I strongly disagree with this. Admittedly I don't visit that many game-related forums, but the DiRT team were incredibly transparent during the DR Early Access program and there was a huge amount of information shared (some subtly!) during the development of DiRT 4. 

The period of silence since the release of DiRT 4 has been particularly jarring because of the amount of output the DiRT team were making pre-release. I think you need to read between the lines on that before you make any sweeping statements about the company or the development team.

[dirt3joe 0]

From what I can tell Dirt 4 sales don't look that great, so you've got to ask the question whether DLC is worthwhile.

I think a dlc pack for Dirt Rally which has the autostage generator, or the two new environments (spain and mitchegan) as dlc for dirt rally makes much more business sense. Dirt Rally has a much stronger following than Dirt 4 atm as far as I can tell.

[SirPhilMcKraken 279]

dirt3joe said:

From what I can tell Dirt 4 sales don't look that great, so you've got to ask the question whether DLC is worthwhile.

I think a dlc pack for Dirt Rally which has the autostage generator, or the two new environments (spain and mitchegan) as dlc for dirt rally makes much more business sense. Dirt Rally has a much stronger following than Dirt 4 atm as far as I can tell.

That is completely wrong, Dirt 4 surpassed DR sales and I'm sick of people suggesting this thinking its sooo easy to just implement new technology into an old game. It won't happen. the only thing I agree with is that DR has a stronger following.

[Underkex 0]

SirPhilMcKraken said:

That is completely wrong, Dirt 4 surpassed DR sales and I'm sick of people suggesting this thinking its sooo easy to just implement new technology into an old game. It won't happen. the only thing I agree with is that DR has a stronger following.

How do you know that? VGChartz and Stemspy tell us the contrary.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dirt+rally
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dirt+4
http://steamspy.com/app/310560
http://steamspy.com/app/421020

[Evilsmurf 90]

Underkex said:

SirPhilMcKraken said:

That is completely wrong, Dirt 4 surpassed DR sales and I'm sick of people suggesting this thinking its sooo easy to just implement new technology into an old game. It won't happen. the only thing I agree with is that DR has a stronger following.

How do you know that? VGChartz and Stemspy tell us the contrary.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dirt+rally
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dirt+4
http://steamspy.com/app/310560
http://steamspy.com/app/421020

There is a SteamDB problem that it tracks the number of people that have played the game, not that own the game. This means that when there was a free weekend the number of "owners" shot up.

A lot of people who where not familiar with DiRT Rally or the DiRT Rally EA programme were happy with the product they bought. It might surprise you that DiRT 4 has outsold/is outselling DR

[Underkex 0]

Again, how do you know that? Vgchartz is also not reliable?

[Bongomaster 3]

Dirt 4 got really good critic ratings of 80-90% because reviewers must have only played for a few hours before they realised the corners are copy and pasted. Meanwhile WRC7 is actually a damn good game and gets only 60-70% review scores. The physics aren't at the same level as Dirt series, but it FEELS good and the game is just so much more enjoyable on every other level. I hope everyone doesn't just assume it's the same WRC 4,5,6 tripe we've come to expect, because it's not.
CM need to publicly recognise their mistake with YourStage and admit that it's still a loooong way from being acceptable (let alone a "game-changer"). I would buy Dirt Rally 2 if they go back to hand-crafted stages, but I'll definitely be waiting at least a month before purchase. Silly me buying Dirt 4 on day one.

[Pfei 106]

Two things I will never do again:

1. Believe a review
2. Pre-order

[cjl9 12]

Underkex said:

SirPhilMcKraken said:

That is completely wrong, Dirt 4 surpassed DR sales and I'm sick of people suggesting this thinking its sooo easy to just implement new technology into an old game. It won't happen. the only thing I agree with is that DR has a stronger following.

How do you know that? VGChartz and Stemspy tell us the contrary.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dirt+rally
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dirt+4
http://steamspy.com/app/310560
http://steamspy.com/app/421020

Something wrong with the "vgchartz" figures: for USA PC users it shows 0. I know that's not correct.

[MiatakiasGR 1]

Bongomaster said:

Dirt 4 got really good critic ratings of 80-90% because reviewers must have only played for a few hours before they realised the corners are copy and pasted. Meanwhile WRC7 is actually a damn good game and gets only 60-70% review scores. The physics aren't at the same level as Dirt series, but it FEELS good and the game is just so much more enjoyable on every other level. I hope everyone doesn't just assume it's the same WRC 4,5,6 tripe we've come to expect, because it's not.
CM need to publicly recognise their mistake with YourStage and admit that it's still a loooong way from being acceptable (let alone a "game-changer"). I would buy Dirt Rally 2 if they go back to hand-crafted stages, but I'll definitely be waiting at least a month before purchase. Silly me buying Dirt 4 on day one.

Ok anyone has his own taste but man i tried WRC7 and its tragic for me! Graphics are not that bad but the physics are so bad and arcade that i could not play it over 3 minutes.. Content is very limited too giving you the feeling of an android game more than a AAA game..
I have not the best optinion for Dirt 4 but compare to WRC 7 is way better .. Even Sebastien Loeb rally evo is better than WRC 7..
I agree with you that generated stages technology needs a lot of work to be acceptable as in Dirt 4 you think to be in the same place all the time..
I dont think i will bother with any upciming DLC of Dirt 4 as i bought Project cars 2 that includes some great features about race conditions. You can set 24 hours daytime with x0-x60 multiplier , dynamic weather with 15 (if i am not mistaken) deferent choices , sun , rain thunderstors , snow, blizzard and to set up to 4 combination of each racing working so smooth and realistic , and 4 year's season that chenge the grass , trees (for example yellow-brown colors for autumn , dark green in winder , light green in summer etc) and generally the enviroment of any track ... So opposite with the most racing games you dont feel this "dejavu" that you have played a lot of times in a certain track but you feel every race unique...
That can be "a game changer" for racing games dear Codemasters not this version generated tracks!
And for the offroad lovers there are 9 RX tracks (4 more than dirt 4) 3 rx classes but the game is all tracks - all cars style which mean that you can set any of the 180 cars car in rx tracks even Formulas lol  (ok i am not gonna try this) .. But i tried some Road cars like Mitsubishi EVO there and rocks! Also i am about to buy Forza motorsport 7 which is the most eye-candy racing game ever including 700 cars with high-details interior and also dynamic wheater..
Ok i know, you will tell me that here we speak of offroad game and not circuit game but i will tell you that with the mediocre Dirt 4 , with terrible (for me at least) WRC7 , with that  rediculous upcming milestone game called Gravel i just dont care about offroad racing games while i can play so fucking amazing asphalt racing games..

[mkgamernfs 0]

Bongomaster said:

Dirt 4 got really good critic ratings of 80-90% because reviewers must have only played for a few hours before they realised the corners are copy and pasted. Meanwhile WRC7 is actually a damn good game and gets only 60-70% review scores. The physics aren't at the same level as Dirt series, but it FEELS good and the game is just so much more enjoyable on every other level. I hope everyone doesn't just assume it's the same WRC 4,5,6 tripe we've come to expect, because it's not.
CM need to publicly recognise their mistake with YourStage and admit that it's still a loooong way from being acceptable (let alone a "game-changer"). I would buy Dirt Rally 2 if they go back to hand-crafted stages, but I'll definitely be waiting at least a month before purchase. Silly me buying Dirt 4 on day one.

Sorry, but WRC 7 is truly awful. Even though it does have better stages and cars than DiRT 4, the game has a whole bunch of technical problems. DiRT 4 wasn't a good rally game yes, but the rallycross mode was pretty good and the game runs WAY better on PC than WRC 7. The people at Kylotonn have no idea how to make a good game even after 3 WRC titles. Both DiRT Rally and 4 are better than WRC 7 and so is SLRE.

[Slowish 0]

PC2 weather / Live-track is really interesting and fun to explore but, many of the cars are just way too stable as is. It seems to suffer from some of the same issues as Dirt4 does in regard to grip levels.  There is no sense of throttle feathering needed out of turns  -  just stomp the gas and go, no worries at all. Even in rain, the grip levels are not reduced that much unless on slicks, then it's drastically different as - should be expected.  I feel PC2 can be a good racing game, I just don't feel it's up to a refined Simulation level but, it depends what you want from your game.

The RallyX in PC2 can be fun but, the cars default setup has the suspension setup too soft and the cars tend to over-rotate quite easlily. Once tamed down a bit, they handle much better and I did get a better feeling through the FFB using one of Jack Spade's custom DD-wheel setups and that aspect of PC2 is much improved over PC1.

[MiatakiasGR 1]

Slowish said:

PC2 weather / Live-track is really interesting and fun to explore but, many of the cars are just way too stable as is. It seems to suffer from some of the same issues as Dirt4 does in regard to grip levels.  There is no sense of throttle feathering needed out of turns  -  just stomp the gas and go, no worries at all. Even in rain, the grip levels are not reduced that much unless on slicks, then it's drastically different as - should be expected.  I feel PC2 can be a good racing game, I just don't feel it's up to a refined Simulation level but, it depends what you want from your game.

The RallyX in PC2 can be fun but, the cars default setup has the suspension setup too soft and the cars tend to over-rotate quite easlily. Once tamed down a bit, they handle much better and I did get a better feeling through the FFB using one of Jack Spade's custom DD-wheel setups and that aspect of PC2 is much improved over PC1.

I agree that PC2 has way too much grip but i love the handling... Also the in RX the cars bounce like crazy pigs offroad but overall its good and they have not this "on rails" feeling as in Dirt rally - Dirt 4...

[MrDeap 12]

I kind of understand somehow the definition of a simulator. It's about the feeling of weight & being glued to the road while using real numbers.

The problem is that you don't get authentic handling with current simulator & will still not give you authentic driving experience racing at the limit.

The worst part about sim racing is car setup which many variable that could have been removed & be largely simplified. Each change in variable affect the alignment thus can lead to drastic lost of cornering speed capability.

Sure it make the setup less realistic if simplified, but shouldn't even be there for gamers as we aren't engineer. There should be an option for auto alignment & auto tire pressure in the setup in every simulators. GRID Autosport make a lot of sense there.

Pretend Race cars:
" his in a laser scanned track should at least amount to a lap time more or less within the ballpark. Sure, thousands of laps of practice in a perfect virtual track will usually allow a slightly faster lap time, but not six seconds’ worth. find it funny the whole “Formula One 2017 is simcade” debate, when the “serious” sims can’t even get something as basic as these elements correct"

[bobbie424242 0]

mkgamernfs said:

Sorry, but WRC 7 is truly awful. Even though it does have better stages and cars than DiRT 4, the game has a whole bunch of technical problems

Nope, WR7 is not awful and does not have a bunch of technical problems. It had stuttering for some people but this has been fixed by the latest patch. Still, I'd rate SLRE higher than WRC, for its better physics.

[KevM 44]

The only complaint I have about WRC 7, is the force feedback & poor wheel settings.  If you look past those, it’s a pretty decent Rally game!