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I guess my preference is for fast tracks, with fast corners and one or two big stops to overtake.

The stop-start-stop-start, 90 degree left into 90 degree right, type of circuit epitomised by Singapore and Monaco just don't do anything for me.

But I think it is good that the whole season has a variety of different circuits that test driver and car.

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Favorites:
1. Suzuka
2. Spa
3. Monza
4. Silverstone
5. Interlagos

Hates:
1. Baku - dull and repetitive.
2. Mexico - new stadium section absolutely ruined the track for me.
3. Singapore - same as Baku, except the final 2 corners.

Regarding Monaco: I love the challenge of driving it, but watching it is akin to watching paint dry. Barely pay attention to the real race there any more. Quali is the climax of the weekend.

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Top 5, least best to absolute best:
5. Sepang (Melbourne, Bahrain, Silverstone and Interlagos are all up there too)
4. Spa
3. Suzuka
1. Singapore (tied - amazing in quali, much better for racing than Monaco, much better corners in general)
1. Abu Dhabi (tied - ultimate test track and it's so easy to exploit people's discomfort in S3 and create unconventional overtaking spots)

Bottom 5, least worst to absolute worst:
5. Sochi (honestly not a lot that I really hate on the current calendar, as Sochi's a contentious pick due to S3 being awesome)
4. Mexico
3. CotA
2. Baku
1. Monaco

Sobritos said:
Sad to see that Monaco is on everybody's worst list. And everybody basically vote against the most technical circuits. I'm going to guess that's because most players play on a pad.
Even with a wheel and being extremely good at it, Monaco is little more than a waste. The technical circuits I do feel conflicted on as the better Tilkedromes (Singapore, Abu Dhabi) are easily my favorites and I don't get much enjoyment out of fast corners or long corners in comparison, while non-Tilke ones or some of his worse ones are close to being my least favorites, but Monaco is just mindless bravery. Past that, it provides almost no challenge whatsoever, with even the 110% AI in this game struggling to avoid getting lapped. Bravery isn't very entertaining for me, so even if it's one of my best tracks, it's easily my least favorite on the calendar right now.


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Top
1. Spa
2. Canada
3. Singapore
4. Australia
5. Monaco

Bottom
1. Baku
2. Mexico

Can't make anymore that I dislike, a few like Suzuka, China, and Silverstone are actually amazing to drive this year so are no longer bad. 

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I hate Sochi because i found it a commercial circuit rushed in for business reasons. The middle part has no sense. They could have done better.

I hate those 90 degree left-90 degree right sequences. S3 in Abu Dhabi is whithin the limits but S1-2 i sochi are too much.

Clearly rushed in...

IMHO Russia deserved a better circuit...

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top five
1) Spa
2)Canada 
3)Singapore
4)China
5)Hungary

Worst
1)Monaco (am terrible round there)
2)Texas
3)Suzuka
4)Britain (Have not got over the change in track and never will) 
5) Mexico (absolute garbage final sector)  

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Best 5:

1. Malaysia (surprised not many have picked it, going to really miss it)
2. Canada
3. Monza
4. Japan (used to despise it, but with the extra downforce in 2017 it is brilliant)
5. Brazil

Worst 5:

1. Australia
2. Monaco
3. Silverstone
4. Spa
5. Mexico

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Best:
1. Melbourne
2. Spa
3. Monaco
4. Singapore
5. China
Worst:
1. Malaysia
2. Brazil
3. Usa
4. Baku

Others are fine for me... average pace..  

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Best 5:
1. Spa
2. Sao Paulo
3. Melbourne
4. Monaco
5. Monza

Least 5:
1. Barcelona
2. Silverstone
3. Shanghai
4. Hungary
5. Mexico

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Best
1: Canada
2: Austria
3: Melbourne
4: Hungary
5: Bahrain

These tend to be my best results as I can always find a decent rhythm

Worst

1: Monaco
2: Baku
3: japan

these three are in terms of driving. It's a miracle if I can make it 2 without ending up in a wall or barrier

4: Spain
5: Abu Dhabi

Just tend to  find these two a bit boring and tedious as I play on 100%

I agree  ghat Monaco seems harder ai-wise and will admit I drop difficulty by 15 points just to be competitive

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Dang why do so many people hate COTA? It's literally the best Tilke track on the calendar aside from maybe Malaysia. I honestly find it almost as fun as Suzuka to drive this year. Same with Singapore. It feel its like Monaco but actually exciting since its higher speed and wider.

Best:
1. Canada
2. Suzuka
3. Spa
4. COTA
5. Brazil
Honorary mention: Hockenheim (Sector 3 is one of my favorites. Would've been killer in 2017 cars)

Worst:
1. China (can't we throw out China instead of Malaysia?)
2. Baku (which idiot let this on the calendar)
3. Abu Dhabi (Trash layout, though I'm surprised the track isn't paved with gold from the oil magnates)
4. Mexico (Its honestly a little like Russia, with all the stop-start, but a little worse bc of S3)
5. Hungary (just too small for such fast cars)

I actually love Monaco for the challenge of it. I crash a lot in practice, but in quali, it just feels so good to put it on the edge and nail a lap.

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pijin said:
Dang why do so many people hate COTA? It's literally the best Tilke track on the calendar aside from maybe Malaysia. I honestly find it almost as fun as Suzuka to drive this year. Same with Singapore. It feel its like Monaco but actually exciting since its higher speed and wider.
It's not a Tilke track, it's a Tavo Hellmund track. And for me that's the problem - I normally like Tilke tracks as his tracks have more variety and flow than people give him credit for (just look at Sepang) and tend to catch out weak drivers (which can usually be said of people who put tracks like Singapore or Abu Dhabi on their bad list), whereas CotA is nothing more than an easy copycat circuit with no flow whatsoever, one that also single-handedly proves that mindless elevation changes do nothing to improve a track, especially for modern F1 cars.

Turn 1 is the only good thing about it as it promotes skillful passes and is good on lap 1 as well. Besides that, you've got a very cheap version of the esses (no skill in them, very easy to nail compared to the Suzuka ones), a few mindless hills and dips that don't actually aid the racing in any way, one of the absolute worst complexes on the calendar which promotes bad driving a la Alonso in 2016 (turns 13-15), an absolutely insulting inverted copy of Turkey's turn 8 which is far easier than T8 ever was, and otherwise very anonymous corners that don't lend themselves to good racing. I don't see anything good in it whatsoever - it might be good for bikes or for endurance cars, but F1 is the only motorsport I care about, and for F1, most American tracks, including CotA, are nothing short of terrible. At least it's not Laguna Seca, which really has nothing intelligent about it.

If you want tracks with good elevation changes, look no further than the likes of Floripa or other Brazilian tracks in AMS. A lot of them are awesome and significantly more skillful, especially when actually racing people.

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Top 5 not necessarily in order
Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
Nurburgring
Magny Cours
Hungaroring
Silverstone

Bottom, can't think of 5
Hockenheim (boring to race on)
Yas Marina (boring to race on)
Monte Carlo (2017 AI race this way too well! And just not a wheel to wheel track)

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_of_the_Americas

COTA is a Tilke track. Tavo Hellmund was the promoter and worked with Tilke for the layout, but he was not the track architect. And I still don’t see how you can love Suzuka’s esses but hate COTA. It’s higher speed and even more challenging in my opinion and gives me such a buzz when I hook it up. The whole first half of the track just flows so nicely for me. At T13-15 is brilliant because right after a braking zone, all those slow speed corners mean practically no dirty air and just a few turns of just trying to out-traction and out-brake your opponent. I think it's just wrong to say it promotes bad driving, it promotes good racing. Alonso is hardly an example for "bad driving" because there was no way he was getting past a Williams that had DRS on any other part of the circuit. Look at all the other passes that happen into the third sector like in 2012, 2014, and the numerous passes in 2015.

From what I've seen in real life as well, drivers like Alonso, Button, and Hamilton have praised it. Webber went so far as to put in his book that COTA is "one of the few new tracks that can hold its head high among the best F1 has to offer." Naturally, this is a game, and will certainly be different from experiencing it in reality, but I personally think it is pretty darn good.

To each his own, I suppose.

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@Coffer

Look at turn 1-2 from Sepang, Shanghai and Sakir. They're essentially the same. Only difference is the size. That's one of problems I have with Tilke tracks. Alot of corners are copied from other tracks.

As for COTA, I find the esses there more difficult than Suzuka.

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Raalte said:
@Coffer

Look at turn 1-2 from Sepang, Shanghai and Sakir. They're essentially the same. Only difference is the size. That's one of problems I have with Tilke tracks. Alot of corners are copied from other tracks.

As for COTA, I find the esses there more difficult than Suzuka.
You're driving poorly if you think they're the same. Shanghai and Sakhir are both much more extreme than Sepang's, though to opposite ends.

>As for COTA, I find the esses there more difficult than Suzuka.
You're definitely driving poorly. And that's my main issue with CotA - the skill ceiling is very low.

pijin said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_of_the_Americas

COTA is a Tilke track. Tavo Hellmund was the promoter and worked with Tilke for the layout, but he was not the track architect. And I still don’t see how you can love Suzuka’s esses but hate COTA. It’s higher speed and even more challenging in my opinion and gives me such a buzz when I hook it up. The whole first half of the track just flows so nicely for me. At T13-15 is brilliant because right after a braking zone, all those slow speed corners mean practically no dirty air and just a few turns of just trying to out-traction and out-brake your opponent. I think it's just wrong to say it promotes bad driving, it promotes good racing. Alonso is hardly an example for "bad driving" because there was no way he was getting past a Williams that had DRS on any other part of the circuit. Look at all the other passes that happen into the third sector like in 2012, 2014, and the numerous passes in 2015.

From what I've seen in real life as well, drivers like Alonso, Button, and Hamilton have praised it. Webber went so far as to put in his book that COTA is "one of the few new tracks that can hold its head high among the best F1 has to offer." Naturally, this is a game, and will certainly be different from experiencing it in reality, but I personally think it is pretty darn good.

To each his own, I suppose.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120426215922/http://www.statesman.com/sports/formula1/turn-for-turn-austin-tracks-design-layout-should-2321735.html?viewAsSinglePage=true

Your very source contradicts you. Hellmund is the designer. Tilke just oversaw its construction and had no input in the layout.

>And I still don’t see how you can love Suzuka’s esses but hate COTA.
As I previously mentioned, it's significantly easier, partly because of the higher speeds. It's much easier to nail the apexes and get a good line. If it gives you a buzz, you're not nailing it well enough. You could even say this about a lot of other corners in the 2017 cars, which are much too easy to drive no matter the sim.

>At T13-15 is brilliant because right after a braking zone, all those slow speed corners mean practically no dirty air and just a few turns of just trying to out-traction and out-brake your opponent.
If you are in any way competent and don't have an outright worse car like Massa did against Alonso last year, you're just going to outdrag them either way, especially if you're good on the throttle like drivers like Vettel and Hamilton tend to be. The only real time you're going to have a proper battle on your hands is either on lap 1 when everyone's still somewhat bunched up enough or if you're a dirty driver like Alonso was last year.

>Alonso is hardly an example for "bad driving" because there was no way he was getting past a Williams that had DRS on any other part of the circuit.
So he instead did it by breaking Massa's car with a ridiculous move that, when the stewarding was significantly more competent 10-15 years ago, would've gotten him a penalty. Welcome to a sport where bad driving has not only become the norm (Ricciardo, Verstappen), it's even encouraged (Red Bull heavily advocating the new steward leniency prior to the start of 2017). I don't recall Massa doing anything dirty when he was stuck behind a slower Alonso all race at Spa due to the McLaren's incredible downforce carrying it in S2.

>From what I've seen in real life as well, drivers like Alonso, Button, and Hamilton have praised it. Webber went so far as to put in his book that COTA is "one of the few new tracks that can hold its head high among the best F1 has to offer."
That's not saying much and is a logical fallacy. Their opinions are far from the only ones, and given the lack of skill of 3 of those 4 drivers on Tilkedromes (all but Hamilton) and at Suzuka (all but Button), if anything it's just a simple case of a bad track catering to them more than usual. Them being good doesn't make them more valid either (hence the fallacy), as Alonso and Hamilton are both worse than Vettel, who, last I heard, has no real opinion on it despite loving Suzuka. (And it's even wrong as Button and Webber were very mediocre drivers relative to the top drivers of the current millenium or the likes of Prost and Lauda.)

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Yeah I’m sorry, I thought we could have a respectful discussion, but it seems like all your responses have devolved to either “if you like it, you’re not a good enough driver” or “you don’t understand Formula 1 and the stewards suck” I’m sorry, but neither of those are really appropriate justification for your arguments. Also, Vettel is not as good as Hamilton, as he is petulant and stupid on track. He is a modern great but Hamilton is just better (no I’m not a Brit so have no inherent bias). And honestly, it’s irrelevant how good Button or Webber are (need I remind you Webber nearly took the 2010 title and probably would have if Red Bull actually supported him instead of babying the petulant little boy) They’re still better than you and hence I’d value their opinions more. You’re arguments just come off as arrogant and seem to simplify to, “I’m better than you, therefore I’m right.” Sorry but that doesn’t fly with me.

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pijin said:
Yeah I’m sorry, I thought we could have a respectful discussion, but it seems like all your responses have devolved to either “if you like it, you’re not a good enough driver” or “you don’t understand Formula 1 and the stewards suck” I’m sorry, but neither of those are really appropriate justification for your arguments. Also, Vettel is not as good as Hamilton, as he is petulant and stupid on track. He is a modern great but Hamilton is just better (no I’m not a Brit so have no inherent bias). And honestly, it’s irrelevant how good Button or Webber are (need I remind you Webber nearly took the 2010 title and probably would have if Red Bull actually supported him instead of babying the petulant little boy) They’re still better than you and hence I’d value their opinions more. You’re arguments just come off as arrogant and seem to simplify to, “I’m better than you, therefore I’m right.” Sorry but that doesn’t fly with me.

You are quite right that they are both better than him and therefore their opinions far more important.

Put simply they actually drove F1 whereas some have just played a game about F1.

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Coffer said:
Raalte said:
@Coffer

Look at turn 1-2 from Sepang, Shanghai and Sakir. They're essentially the same. Only difference is the size. That's one of problems I have with Tilke tracks. Alot of corners are copied from other tracks.

As for COTA, I find the esses there more difficult than Suzuka.
You're driving poorly if you think they're the same. Shanghai and Sakhir are both much more extreme than Sepang's, though to opposite ends.

>As for COTA, I find the esses there more difficult than Suzuka.
You're definitely driving poorly. And that's my main issue with CotA - the skill ceiling is very low.

pijin said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_of_the_Americas

COTA is a Tilke track. Tavo Hellmund was the promoter and worked with Tilke for the layout, but he was not the track architect. And I still don’t see how you can love Suzuka’s esses but hate COTA. It’s higher speed and even more challenging in my opinion and gives me such a buzz when I hook it up. The whole first half of the track just flows so nicely for me. At T13-15 is brilliant because right after a braking zone, all those slow speed corners mean practically no dirty air and just a few turns of just trying to out-traction and out-brake your opponent. I think it's just wrong to say it promotes bad driving, it promotes good racing. Alonso is hardly an example for "bad driving" because there was no way he was getting past a Williams that had DRS on any other part of the circuit. Look at all the other passes that happen into the third sector like in 2012, 2014, and the numerous passes in 2015.

From what I've seen in real life as well, drivers like Alonso, Button, and Hamilton have praised it. Webber went so far as to put in his book that COTA is "one of the few new tracks that can hold its head high among the best F1 has to offer." Naturally, this is a game, and will certainly be different from experiencing it in reality, but I personally think it is pretty darn good.

To each his own, I suppose.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120426215922/http://www.statesman.com/sports/formula1/turn-for-turn-austin-tracks-design-layout-should-2321735.html?viewAsSinglePage=true

Your very source contradicts you. Hellmund is the designer. Tilke just oversaw its construction and had no input in the layout.

>And I still don’t see how you can love Suzuka’s esses but hate COTA.
As I previously mentioned, it's significantly easier, partly because of the higher speeds. It's much easier to nail the apexes and get a good line. If it gives you a buzz, you're not nailing it well enough. You could even say this about a lot of other corners in the 2017 cars, which are much too easy to drive no matter the sim.

>At T13-15 is brilliant because right after a braking zone, all those slow speed corners mean practically no dirty air and just a few turns of just trying to out-traction and out-brake your opponent.
If you are in any way competent and don't have an outright worse car like Massa did against Alonso last year, you're just going to outdrag them either way, especially if you're good on the throttle like drivers like Vettel and Hamilton tend to be. The only real time you're going to have a proper battle on your hands is either on lap 1 when everyone's still somewhat bunched up enough or if you're a dirty driver like Alonso was last year.

>Alonso is hardly an example for "bad driving" because there was no way he was getting past a Williams that had DRS on any other part of the circuit.
So he instead did it by breaking Massa's car with a ridiculous move that, when the stewarding was significantly more competent 10-15 years ago, would've gotten him a penalty. Welcome to a sport where bad driving has not only become the norm (Ricciardo, Verstappen), it's even encouraged (Red Bull heavily advocating the new steward leniency prior to the start of 2017). I don't recall Massa doing anything dirty when he was stuck behind a slower Alonso all race at Spa due to the McLaren's incredible downforce carrying it in S2.

>From what I've seen in real life as well, drivers like Alonso, Button, and Hamilton have praised it. Webber went so far as to put in his book that COTA is "one of the few new tracks that can hold its head high among the best F1 has to offer."
That's not saying much and is a logical fallacy. Their opinions are far from the only ones, and given the lack of skill of 3 of those 4 drivers on Tilkedromes (all but Hamilton) and at Suzuka (all but Button), if anything it's just a simple case of a bad track catering to them more than usual. Them being good doesn't make them more valid either (hence the fallacy), as Alonso and Hamilton are both worse than Vettel, who, last I heard, has no real opinion on it despite loving Suzuka. (And it's even wrong as Button and Webber were very mediocre drivers relative to the top drivers of the current millenium or the likes of Prost and Lauda.)

What load of BS. 'You're not good enough, so I'm right'.

To me you prove you have a weird look on F1. Calling Ricciardo and Verstappen bad drivers.
That says enough about you. 

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Sounds like he's some disgruntled F1 old-timer who always goes around saying "ya darn kids, back in my day, F1 drivers were REAL men." Except he thinks Vettel is definitively better than Hamilton and Alonso, so clearly he has a soft spot for the childish and petulant as well.. Some people are so complex...

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I just drove a mini championship race around Baku. Not only did I qualify 1st, I pulled ahead from rest of the field.
I just love this track, especially the 2nd sector. The 1st sector of 90 degree turns remind me of New York circuit from GT4.
Just like GT series, wouldn't mind a endurance race at this circuit.

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Best:
1. Singapore
2. Australia (Melbourne)
3. Spa
4. Japan (Suzuka)
5. Monaco

Worst:
1. China
2. Azerbaijan (Baku)
3. USA
4. Malaysia
5. Brazil

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Best 5

1) Spa-Francorchamps
2) Monza
3) Interlagos
4) Montreal
5) Abu Dhabi

Honourable mentions to Hockenheim and Magny Cours. Be good to see the French and German GPs next season, albeit no Magny Cours.

Worst 5

1) Singapore
2) Monte Carlo
3) Baku
4) Mexico
5) Hungary

Honourable mentions to Korea (THE worst circuit in history), India, Turkey and Valencia.

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