The Sports Update patch - 1.8 for consoles, 1.9 for PC - Discussion Thread - UPDATED 13/10

[LightningFast90 0]

Good news on such a comprehensive patch, pity I am only halfway through a 3 month long field work stint...lucky if I get a phone signal here let alone access to a PC. Though given a choice between F1 2017 and digging up megafauna fossils in a Paleolithic cave complex, I would always choose the latter LOL :D

[PrinceVlad1888 0]

Coffer said:

It is pretty bloody weird and lazy of them, yeah. Considering they can put the numbers everywhere they need to just fine (as seen via the Ferrari's shark fin having the correct number for your driver), I don't get why they couldn't do the exact same thing for the acronyms.

The reason why the acronyms haven't been implemented is simply due to the way it has to be implemented. All the 'information' or 'logos' or 'numbers' etc are textures by default.

You may say "Well how come we can have our own chosen number, but not name abbreviations?"....well let me explain.
The numbers are textures which are already within the game; abbreviations/acronyms of names would be much harder to implement and would require a significant amount of coding to implement as these are not 'textures' as such.
It's not just about placing a texture onto the car or anything else which would have the acronyms placed on; it's the coding of the game which is the issue.

The only possible way to have your abbreviation or acronym on the car would be to 'modify' the default texture within the game which has the original 'real' drivers name.

So in essence, if you have a console this of course is a problem; however for PC users, this is possible but very difficult as has been shown in the Racedepartment modding forums.

[Coffer 122]

PrinceVlad1888 said:

The numbers are textures which are already within the game; abbreviations/acronyms of names would be much harder to implement and would require a significant amount of coding to implement as these are not 'textures' as such.

The only issue I see with that is that it would, at most, require 26^3 textures. The fact that they're not simply using the team fonts to generate these is, however, a tell-tale sign of bad code, as I previously thought that was exactly what they were doing with the numbers.

[steviejay69 1,100]

PrinceVlad1888 said:

Coffer said:

It is pretty bloody weird and lazy of them, yeah. Considering they can put the numbers everywhere they need to just fine (as seen via the Ferrari's shark fin having the correct number for your driver), I don't get why they couldn't do the exact same thing for the acronyms.

The reason why the acronyms haven't been implemented is simply due to the way it has to be implemented. All the 'information' or 'logos' or 'numbers' etc are textures by default.

You may say "Well how come we can have our own chosen number, but not name abbreviations?"....well let me explain.
The numbers are textures which are already within the game; abbreviations/acronyms of names would be much harder to implement and would require a significant amount of coding to implement as these are not 'textures' as such.
It's not just about placing a texture onto the car or anything else which would have the acronyms placed on; it's the coding of the game which is the issue.

The only possible way to have your abbreviation or acronym on the car would be to 'modify' the default texture within the game which has the original 'real' drivers name.

So in essence, if you have a console this of course is a problem; however for PC users, this is possible but very difficult as has been shown in the Racedepartment modding forums.

TL/DR So because the game engine is crap, it won't work. They've used the file format for the textures to make modding less straightforward and by this trivial attempt to discourage modding (no doubt at the behest of the licensee or IP holders) shot themselves in the foot. GG.

[Coffer 122]

steviejay69 said:

PrinceVlad1888 said:

Coffer said:

It is pretty bloody weird and lazy of them, yeah. Considering they can put the numbers everywhere they need to just fine (as seen via the Ferrari's shark fin having the correct number for your driver), I don't get why they couldn't do the exact same thing for the acronyms.

The reason why the acronyms haven't been implemented is simply due to the way it has to be implemented. All the 'information' or 'logos' or 'numbers' etc are textures by default.

You may say "Well how come we can have our own chosen number, but not name abbreviations?"....well let me explain.
The numbers are textures which are already within the game; abbreviations/acronyms of names would be much harder to implement and would require a significant amount of coding to implement as these are not 'textures' as such.
It's not just about placing a texture onto the car or anything else which would have the acronyms placed on; it's the coding of the game which is the issue.

The only possible way to have your abbreviation or acronym on the car would be to 'modify' the default texture within the game which has the original 'real' drivers name.

So in essence, if you have a console this of course is a problem; however for PC users, this is possible but very difficult as has been shown in the Racedepartment modding forums.

TL/DR So because the game engine is crap, it won't work. They've used the file format for the textures to make modding less straightforward and by this trivial attempt to discourage modding (no doubt at the behest of the licensee or IP holders) shot themselves in the foot. GG.

To be fair, they did just disable the saving protection that was blocking ERP files from being modded now that the eSports semifinals are out of the way. Barring that though, yeah, it's a combined case of incompetence on their part and malevolence on the FIA's part.

[PrinceVlad1888 0]

Coffer said:

PrinceVlad1888 said:

The numbers are textures which are already within the game; abbreviations/acronyms of names would be much harder to implement and would require a significant amount of coding to implement as these are not 'textures' as such.

The only issue I see with that is that it would, at most, require 26^3 textures. The fact that they're not simply using the team fonts to generate these is, however, a tell-tale sign of bad code, as I previously thought that was exactly what they were doing with the numbers.

I can understand your frustrations and the need for accuracy, however sometimes it's other constraints that prevent developers from doing these implementations.
Also, coming from an assembly programming background, i can tell you that producing ANY game requires very talented programmers in order to just create the game/simulation, and the public in general who just go out and purchase the product do not have an understanding about what actually goes into producing it.

You also have to take into account those behind the scenes of Codemasters F1 products...(Yes FOM and TPTB)

[Coffer 122]

PrinceVlad1888 said:

Coffer said:

PrinceVlad1888 said:

The numbers are textures which are already within the game; abbreviations/acronyms of names would be much harder to implement and would require a significant amount of coding to implement as these are not 'textures' as such.

The only issue I see with that is that it would, at most, require 26^3 textures. The fact that they're not simply using the team fonts to generate these is, however, a tell-tale sign of bad code, as I previously thought that was exactly what they were doing with the numbers.

I can understand your frustrations and the need for accuracy, however sometimes it's other constraints that prevent developers from doing these implementations.
Also, coming from an assembly programming background, i can tell you that producing ANY game requires very talented programmers in order to just create the game/simulation, and the public in general who just go out and purchase the product do not have an understanding about what actually goes into producing it.

You also have to take into account those behind the scenes of Codemasters F1 products...(Yes FOM and TPTB)

I'm also a programmer. This stuff wouldn't fly at my workplace, even accounting for the vile nature of the FIA or CM's time constraints (and this issue honestly has nothing to do with them).

[PrinceVlad1888 0]

steviejay69 said:

PrinceVlad1888 said:

Coffer said:

It is pretty bloody weird and lazy of them, yeah. Considering they can put the numbers everywhere they need to just fine (as seen via the Ferrari's shark fin having the correct number for your driver), I don't get why they couldn't do the exact same thing for the acronyms.

The reason why the acronyms haven't been implemented is simply due to the way it has to be implemented. All the 'information' or 'logos' or 'numbers' etc are textures by default.

You may say "Well how come we can have our own chosen number, but not name abbreviations?"....well let me explain.
The numbers are textures which are already within the game; abbreviations/acronyms of names would be much harder to implement and would require a significant amount of coding to implement as these are not 'textures' as such.
It's not just about placing a texture onto the car or anything else which would have the acronyms placed on; it's the coding of the game which is the issue.

The only possible way to have your abbreviation or acronym on the car would be to 'modify' the default texture within the game which has the original 'real' drivers name.

So in essence, if you have a console this of course is a problem; however for PC users, this is possible but very difficult as has been shown in the Racedepartment modding forums.

TL/DR So because the game engine is crap, it won't work. They've used the file format for the textures to make modding less straightforward and by this trivial attempt to discourage modding (no doubt at the behest of the licensee or IP holders) shot themselves in the foot. GG.

There's always a way....It's all in the code remember that!

[Flazh92 2]

PrinceVlad1888 said:

Coffer said:

It is pretty bloody weird and lazy of them, yeah. Considering they can put the numbers everywhere they need to just fine (as seen via the Ferrari's shark fin having the correct number for your driver), I don't get why they couldn't do the exact same thing for the acronyms.

The reason why the acronyms haven't been implemented is simply due to the way it has to be implemented. All the 'information' or 'logos' or 'numbers' etc are textures by default.

You may say "Well how come we can have our own chosen number, but not name abbreviations?"....well let me explain.
The numbers are textures which are already within the game; abbreviations/acronyms of names would be much harder to implement and would require a significant amount of coding to implement as these are not 'textures' as such.
It's not just about placing a texture onto the car or anything else which would have the acronyms placed on; it's the coding of the game which is the issue.

The only possible way to have your abbreviation or acronym on the car would be to 'modify' the default texture within the game which has the original 'real' drivers name.

So in essence, if you have a console this of course is a problem; however for PC users, this is possible but very difficult as has been shown in the Racedepartment modding forums.

I don't understand much about coding, and if it is really hard to code I totally understand but still not tolerate it . Because some people really like details in games and there are some companys which can provide that. Since codies is not that big compared to others, I thought they would look much more into stuff like that to seperate them from others.

Some stuff I do at work is also really hard to do, but still I try and figure out ways to solve them.. I don't want to sound ignorent or something, I appreciate the game and the hard work the developers put into the game even though it has its flaws, but things like that would be much more appreciated if they would done that without us telling them to do it.

[KevRusski 0]

steviejay69 said:

Come back with actual bugs that aren’t fixed with proof after 1.9.

Drama queens is right.

I dont know about anyone else, but after providing videos and test information with regard to many bugs over the last few patches, Ive got bored of testing for them. I bought this game a month ago and can no longer really be arsed, its that much of a mess online, where I play in a league.

I will see what the feedback is like here before I give it another shot, but for me personally, I aint spending my time collating video clips and posting them with comments only for them to ignore it.

I reserve judgement because right now, I have lost my trust and faith in it.

[chen255 30]

Coffer said:

Flazh92 said:

Coffer said:

sebasdenb said:

kelsh003 said:

Am I right in hearing that we don't get our own three letter acronym on the sides of the cars that have that in real life? Feel that is going to look really weird for some people in career mode, driving a Haas with GRO on the side when my own TLA would be KEL. If the numbers are ours thats cool but I do hope the TLA is too. But I am assuming that isn't the case?

I really hope this isn't the case.. could someone confirm?

Can confirm that the acronym is completely missing for your driver. The numbers are always the correct ones, but in the case of the Haas for instance, the bit that says GRO on the fin is completely grey for your driver.

And here we are again, the lack of details by CM.. Little dissapointed tbh.

It is pretty bloody weird and lazy of them, yeah. Considering they can put the numbers everywhere they need to just fine (as seen via the Ferrari's shark fin having the correct number for your driver), I don't get why they couldn't do the exact same thing for the acronyms.

I remember waaaay back on an early WRC rally game on PS2, your surname would appear on the rear window of the rally car you were driving just like in real life . That was so cool. How on earth did they manage that so long ago?

[PrinceVlad1888 0]

chen255 said:

I remember waaaay back on an early WRC rally game on PS2, your surname would appear on the rear window of the rally car you were driving just like in real life . That was so cool. How on earth did they manage that so long ago?

There are quite a few games which have been produced that are capable of doing the said implementation, it's not just the coding...

[TAKIINOUE 5]

Is there any possible way that in career mode, I can just park to the side of the track? In other modes I can, but sometimes in career mode (Monaco, for example), I'm crashing all the time and therefore would like to see the race play out rather than cheating to "simulate session" or merely retiring (either one of those simply results in the usual suspects being in the top 4, regardless of where they were on the grid (or on track when I aborted the race).

 Up until F1 2014, I could always do this. Why take this feature out of the game? You have any idea how annoying it is to constantly have to be on the controller so you don't get DQed for being parked in a "dangerous location" (which I rarely am)? Surely there can be an option in career mode to turn off that particular rule because the timer is even worse in F12017 than for 2016 or 15!

[Acerees 115]

guys guys guys while you discuss if your initials can be put on the car don't forget vettels gloves are wrong .... :wink:

[davidbassil 3]

Did hamilton helmet been upgraded ti the full yellow and red instead of white at the top? Can anyone of the pc player confirm this?

[steviejay69 1,100]

KevRusski said:

steviejay69 said:

Come back with actual bugs that aren’t fixed with proof after 1.9.

Drama queens is right.

I dont know about anyone else, but after providing videos and test information with regard to many bugs over the last few patches, Ive got bored of testing for them. I bought this game a month ago and can no longer really be arsed, its that much of a mess online, where I play in a league.

I will see what the feedback is like here before I give it another shot, but for me personally, I aint spending my time collating video clips and posting them with comments only for them to ignore it.

I reserve judgement because right now, I have lost my trust and faith in it.

Yeah just people were on here moaning like kids just posting without proof as usual.
I understand totally where you are coming from, but I figure the amount of junk that is posted should just get deleted.
People who cannot title posts correctly, do not put BASIC platform, game mode, patch level information deserve nothing.
I try to help people who are having similar problems to me with varying degrees of success.
CM could be doing a lot more with merging and killing threads but they do sweet FA.

[oxonboy1 0]

DenniGER86 said:

Realy no black gloves?? 
but the cars have updated?!?? why not the gloves? 

honestly what idiots....

https://twitter.com/TheLeeMather/status/917795424404168707 Codies can only change what the teams want them to change. They don't make the calls unfortunately, end of the day mate they are just gloves!  

[Armando17 0]

What they changed to the TC medium?
Did someone test it yet to see what are the time differences now?

[patronas 14]

FieldMedic said:

Has parts wear been tweaked for 50% races? If not is it going to be looked at? Parts were wearing out way too quickly as of 1.6 when I played last. 

I play 50 percent races and no problems with wear done 2 seasons with out having to take any engine penaltys and only got 2 durability upgrades on ice and turbo havent bothrrd with more durabilityupgrades as I like that I have to manage components first season done 25 percent races and had a lot of wear on them had to take a few penaltys in that season why I play 50 percent now 

[ThorbenMi 2]

patronas said:

FieldMedic said:

Has parts wear been tweaked for 50% races? If not is it going to be looked at? Parts were wearing out way too quickly as of 1.6 when I played last. 

I play 50 percent races and no problems with wear done 2 seasons with out having to take any engine penaltys and only got 2 durability upgrades on ice and turbo havent bothrrd with more durabilityupgrades as I like that I have to manage components first season done 25 percent races and had a lot of wear on them had to take a few penaltys in that season why I play 50 percent now 

For me the wear of engine part isn’t a problem, but the other teams got every race a grid penalty. And I switched to Ferrari in season two and they had only one durability upgrade for the gearbox.

[kelsh003 0]

Coffer said:

sebasdenb said:

kelsh003 said:

Am I right in hearing that we don't get our own three letter acronym on the sides of the cars that have that in real life? Feel that is going to look really weird for some people in career mode, driving a Haas with GRO on the side when my own TLA would be KEL. If the numbers are ours thats cool but I do hope the TLA is too. But I am assuming that isn't the case?

I really hope this isn't the case.. could someone confirm?

Can confirm that the acronym is completely missing for your driver. The numbers are always the correct ones, but in the case of the Haas for instance, the bit that says GRO on the fin is completely grey for your driver.

Well it's better that there isn't an acronym than one for a real driver, but I do feel they've missed out on making career mode that bit more personal which is what they have been trying to do. It will fell odd seeing all these TLA's when your car is lacking it.  I'm sure there's a reason somewhere as to this being the case, but it is a shame. I don't want to say it's lazy, but that's the vibe I'm getting... 

[sirio994 270]

davidbassil said:

Did hamilton helmet been upgraded ti the full yellow and red instead of white at the top? Can anyone of the pc player confirm this?

I've seen screens of it. Yes, it was but not black gloves for seb

[LCK1031 0]

kelsh003 said:

Coffer said:

sebasdenb said:

kelsh003 said:

Am I right in hearing that we don't get our own three letter acronym on the sides of the cars that have that in real life? Feel that is going to look really weird for some people in career mode, driving a Haas with GRO on the side when my own TLA would be KEL. If the numbers are ours thats cool but I do hope the TLA is too. But I am assuming that isn't the case?

I really hope this isn't the case.. could someone confirm?

Can confirm that the acronym is completely missing for your driver. The numbers are always the correct ones, but in the case of the Haas for instance, the bit that says GRO on the fin is completely grey for your driver.

Well it's better that there isn't an acronym than one for a real driver, but I do feel they've missed out on making career mode that bit more personal which is what they have been trying to do. It will fell odd seeing all these TLA's when your car is lacking it.  I'm sure there's a reason somewhere as to this being the case, but it is a shame. I don't want to say it's lazy, but that's the vibe I'm getting... 

Do you think these problems are likely to be improved in the next patch?
Or impossible?
If the player's name is not there, I would prefer AI's name is not appear too.
Because in this case, at least it would be more makes sence.
Very simple, make the player and the AI are also consistent!
So now, it is inevitable that we feel weird.

[KevRusski 0]

steviejay69 said:

KevRusski said:

steviejay69 said:

Come back with actual bugs that aren’t fixed with proof after 1.9.

Drama queens is right.

I dont know about anyone else, but after providing videos and test information with regard to many bugs over the last few patches, Ive got bored of testing for them. I bought this game a month ago and can no longer really be arsed, its that much of a mess online, where I play in a league.

I will see what the feedback is like here before I give it another shot, but for me personally, I aint spending my time collating video clips and posting them with comments only for them to ignore it.

I reserve judgement because right now, I have lost my trust and faith in it.

Yeah just people were on here moaning like kids just posting without proof as usual.
I understand totally where you are coming from, but I figure the amount of junk that is posted should just get deleted.
People who cannot title posts correctly, do not put BASIC platform, game mode, patch level information deserve nothing.
I try to help people who are having similar problems to me with varying degrees of success.
CM could be doing a lot more with merging and killing threads but they do sweet FA.

yeh, it frustrates me that good feedback gets lost in a sea of sh......t.  They can only blame themselves though.

I really hope I can garner some interest to play this soon (when the league gets going) but right now, I`ve wandered off elsewhere and am enjoying myself.

[chen255 30]

LCK1031 said:

kelsh003 said:

Coffer said:

sebasdenb said:

kelsh003 said:

Am I right in hearing that we don't get our own three letter acronym on the sides of the cars that have that in real life? Feel that is going to look really weird for some people in career mode, driving a Haas with GRO on the side when my own TLA would be KEL. If the numbers are ours thats cool but I do hope the TLA is too. But I am assuming that isn't the case?

I really hope this isn't the case.. could someone confirm?

Can confirm that the acronym is completely missing for your driver. The numbers are always the correct ones, but in the case of the Haas for instance, the bit that says GRO on the fin is completely grey for your driver.

Well it's better that there isn't an acronym than one for a real driver, but I do feel they've missed out on making career mode that bit more personal which is what they have been trying to do. It will fell odd seeing all these TLA's when your car is lacking it.  I'm sure there's a reason somewhere as to this being the case, but it is a shame. I don't want to say it's lazy, but that's the vibe I'm getting... 

Do you think these problems are likely to be improved in the next patch?
Or impossible?
If the player's name is not there, I would prefer AI's name is not appear too.
Because in this case, at least it would be more makes sence.
Very simple, make the player and the AI are also consistent!
So now, it is inevitable that we feel weird.

I disagree. I would not want codies to leave the ai names off even if the players does not appear. That would be even more unrealistic.