"Performance update"

[Acerees 115]

Wynterdust said:

mceci1 said:

Wynterdust said:

The Mclaren is as fast as the Sauber in the speed traps in real life while at the same time running more downforce than the Saubers. That proves that the Honda is ahead of the Ferrari engine in the Sauber.

I'm with Tiovon on this. The fact that they haven't updated the Mclaren (which is the team that has improved most as the season has gone on) is frankly ridiculous. They need to put the Honda engine in between the Renault and Sauber engines. That will then put them in the correct position (about equal to Haas and Toro Rosso) on the overall chart. I'm honestly surprised that they haven't updated them since they're the most obvious improvement this year.

You contradict yourself, you say that the Honda is equal with the Ferrari in speed traps, but have more downforce, more downforce can also be an advantage for some tracks and speed. That aero kit does a hell of a lot for McLaren, the real test with be at the upcoming rounds, Austin, Mexico, Brazil. If they aren't on pace, then the aero is doing the work

My point was that even while running more downforce they have the same top speed as the Saubers. In other words, if they were to run the same downforce setting as the Saubers then the Mclaren's would actually be faster than them in a straight line meaning the Honda is more powerful than the Ferrari unit Sauber are using. Honda should be in the gap between Renault and Sauber on the powertrain chart.
On the overall chart they should be 7th, slightly ahead of Toro Rosso and Haas.

Better corner exit speed means that they can achieve adaquate top speeds but the longer the straight the more the speed deficiency would show.  The engine is not the problem it is the aero needs to be improved to around the same as Ferrari / Mercedes / red bull.  I'm not sure they do run high wings, I think they tend to run lower aero but the package is very efficient in creating good stable usable downforce.  The real life problem they have now is that changing the engine supplier means that the design of the chassis will have to change and therefore there is no guarantee that next years aero package will work as well as this years chassis.

[DonBlanko 26]

Could someone please be so kind and post the actual performances of the teams after the actual patch?

Me and my friends are planning to play a coop season, so we are interested in the actual performances of the teams in case of power train, chassis etc. The link to the actual power engine performances is linked here already in the main post.

So could someone please take photos or screenshots and post it here? Thanks a lot, guys!!

[Acerees 115]

DonBlanko said:

Could someone please be so kind and post the actual performances of the teams after the actual patch?

Me and my friends are planning to play a coop season, so we are interested in the actual performances of the teams in case of power train, chassis etc. The link to the actual power engine performances is linked here already in the main post.

So could someone please take photos or screenshots and post it here? Thanks a lot, guys!!

It's already on the forum if you look.  Check the patch notes page ...

[Coffer 122]

DonBlanko said:

Could someone please be so kind and post the actual performances of the teams after the actual patch?

Me and my friends are planning to play a coop season, so we are interested in the actual performances of the teams in case of power train, chassis etc. The link to the actual power engine performances is linked here already in the main post.

So could someone please take photos or screenshots and post it here? Thanks a lot, guys!!

Only FI and Williams have been changed, and I'm fairly sure their individual stats (engine, chassis, downforce) have been posted already.

[DonBlanko 26]

Acerees said:

It's already on the forum if you look.  Check the patch notes page ...

Yeah, you are right. Thanks! I scrolled down to fast and didn't see the link to the Team Performance.

Coffer said:

DonBlanko said:

Could someone please be so kind and post the actual performances of the teams after the actual patch?

Me and my friends are planning to play a coop season, so we are interested in the actual performances of the teams in case of power train, chassis etc. The link to the actual power engine performances is linked here already in the main post.

So could someone please take photos or screenshots and post it here? Thanks a lot, guys!!

Only FI and Williams have been changed, and I'm fairly sure their individual stats (engine, chassis, downforce) have been posted already.

That's quiet sad, I think Red Bull should be a little faster and the McLaren.. well nothing to add about it.

But nevertheless I didn't find the actual performances for Chassis and Downforce. If someone can help me, I am quiet thankful!

[peanutt2000 79]

Acerees said:

DonBlanko said:

Could someone please be so kind and post the actual performances of the teams after the actual patch?

Me and my friends are planning to play a coop season, so we are interested in the actual performances of the teams in case of power train, chassis etc. The link to the actual power engine performances is linked here already in the main post.

So could someone please take photos or screenshots and post it here? Thanks a lot, guys!!

It's already on the forum if you look.  Check the patch notes page ...

Couldn't post them on here could you?

[DonBlanko 26]

peanutt2000 said:

Couldn't post them on here could you?

Actual Team performances:

Before the patch http://www.noelshack.com/2017-41-2-1507652234-pre-patch.png
After the patch http://www.noelshack.com/2017-41-2-1507652226-per.jpg

Actual Engine Power:

https://i.imgur.com/RgM7hT2.png

actual chassis performances:

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actual downforce performances:

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[Brunocar100 0]

They f.cked up my williams carrer mode because force india jumped me and my work is pretty much undone now. I need to switch teams now as soon as possible.
I am in season 1 final race now.

[patronas 14]

FRACTURED said:

Their problem is coming late to the party and going through a complete redesign during the process.

The Ferrari engine from last year seemed for a lot of this season to still be producing more power, and thats an engine getting no development. Now it's hard to tell as Sauber haven't had much to invest in the rest of the car. But it's definitely behind the Other 3 manufacturers.

If not for a decent looking chassis, a preference for running relatively high aero, and two quality drivers they'd have nowhere near the 20 something points they have even now. 

McLaren chassis/aero or whatever they coded maybe needs a bump. But I don't know if I would put the Honda ahead of anything yet.


I hope the Honda is spot on next year for the TR and then maybe Red Bull in 19 get a good factory engine partner and we have 3 teams really fighting for everything.

Going of the past 2 races in  real world honda have been about squal with renault easpecialy with suzuka been an power sensetive circuite I think mclaren beat renault in quali and all though mclaren didnt have a good race it was more to do with the start the drivers had than an engine not been powerful enough since mclaren announced there split mclaren havent been doing that bad and I think that was the best performance honda showed on suzuka track 

[HyperactiveDJ91 1]

Brunocar100 said:

They f.cked up my williams carrer mode because force india jumped me and my work is pretty much undone now. I need to switch teams now as soon as possible.
I am in season 1 final race now.

Blame Williams for not doing their work right

[Liaveil 137]

Fetal said:

Wynterdust said:

  Honda should be in the gap between Renault and Sauber on the powertrain chart.
On the overall chart they should be 7th, slightly ahead of Toro Rosso and Haas.

one sentence they should be between Renault engine and Sauber (last years ferrari) engine ...
then  in the next sentence they should be above the Renault engine and (current) Ferrari engine..
LOL
the renault engine in the Redbull, Renault and Toro Rosso cars ARE THE SAME engine
so putting the honda engine power above Toro Rosso, would put it above the Renault and Red Bull teams... and no person on the planet would
agree that is factual.  Even less people than NONE would believe its more powerful than this years Ferrari engine.

the Honda engine is garbage, they get passed like they are driving with the handbreak on when on straights.
the only reason they are zippy in corners is because of the chassis.
Can it beat Sauber current engine... sure that's in the realm of believable.

Good grief..... On the POWERTRAIN graph they should be in between Renault and Sauber. On the OVERALL graph they should be in between Renault (6th overall) and Toro Rosso (currently 7th overall). Do actually read before trying to be patronising. You just make yourself look a fool.

FRACTURED said:

Wynterdust said:

mceci1 said:

Wynterdust said:

You have to account for the fact the Sauber is a pig and therefore they can't get the same kind of exit speeds as the McLaren, so they could be equal at the speed traps and still much slower overall. I don't think many disagree about where the team should be placed but it needs a higher rating for everything other than engine, it's overall bar should be in or just below the midfield, but does the game have the ability to have a team be much better on one style of circuit than another as in real life?

That is true, at worst in any case equal to the Sauber would bump them up on the overall graph to around about where they should be and then increase the chassis so they're slightly closer to Red Bull.

[sirio994 270]

Carrer should have the option to start with Melbourne's performances...

[peanutt2000 79]

sirio994 said:

Carrer should have the option to start with Melbourne's performances...

Couldn't agree more. I play championship mode and the updated preformances should kick in when they actually did in real life 

[TyranoTigger 0]

I find this very weird as well. It seems strange to do a performance update and just switch Force India and Williams around. Other teams have made huge improvements during this season. McLaren are nowhere near as bad in real life as they are in game. Alonso has been knocked out of Q1 once all season, he has a better average qualifying position than both Haas cars, Palmer, Kvyat, Stroll and both Saubers yet in-game seeing a McLaren in Q2 is a miracle. The chassis and aero should be 4th best and the engine a bit ahead of Sauber. 

Red Bull and Renault have also made big improvements. Would be nice to see it replicated in-game.

[LeoCardoso 31]

FIFA 18 have update in real-time of the performances and you can choose to use or not.. Its possible!

[FRACTURED 30]

Something something EA, more money blah blah, FOM FOM FOM, F1 Teams required to signoff, black gloves.