"Balanced Medium Traction Control"

[KevRusski 0]

Coffer said:

KevRusski said:

Coffer said:

KevRusski said:

With regard to people being lazy, not spending enough time etc.  Some of you guys need to be in your fourties, have 2 very young children, be getting up at 6:30am to travel to work, not finishing putting the kids to bed until 7:30pm then spending an hour doing daily jobs before you sit down for the first time in the day.

I bet those people struggle to muster the concentration to be at least quick in TT (top 10%).

I`m not talking about myself here by the way......whistles

Even in that situation, the only one stopping you is yourself. I'm similarly busy these days as a result of my job but I could still put in the occasional WR attempt every now and then if I wanted to (which I usually don't as I don't care about TT). Once you're used to it, it doesn't take long to get the sort of concentration that you need in order to do well in TT, and after that, even just an hour a day gives you ample time to set a few decent attempts, especially if you restart as soon as you're way off.

You are right, I am the only one stopping myself, but thats because I feel getting to bed before im totally knackered, looking after the house and spending as much time with my wife and kids means more to me than conquering this game with no TC. Which most people would think is commendable.

My mistake is not just "doing it" when I am on the game and putting up with being crap for a while. The reason I do this is because I am nearly always very tired by the time I get to sit down and just wanna have some fun and chill. I take your point though...........but only if you take mine haha

Yeah it's completely acceptable and understandable, my point is simply that if you want to do it, the option is there and you can use your currently available time for it. It's all down to priorities in the end, and when you've got that little free time, they tend to shift quite drastically, so something like setting good times in TT quickly becomes unimportant.

It still wouldn't hurt to try and get used to it every now and then, even for just 5-10 minutes at a time. The better you are, the more enjoyable these games tend to be. I wouldn't fault you in the slightest if you didn't feel like it though, as I myself, even as a hugely competitive person, have mostly shifted back to reading and playing less competitive games these days since they're a better source of fun and relaxation and require far less effort.

Mmm, yes,  I am also extremely competitive,  thats why I joined this particular online league (PSORC) because it concentrated on fun more than sim. i.e. allows you to use TC (I use medium TC), but its still serious enough when racing,   I wanted to be competitive, I dont cheat, as the rules allow TC and we run strict corner rules etc.   I find im very good at the racing technique, brake spotting, driving line, overtaking, tactics etc but that TC is a real grind v time constraints. I finished second last season overall so was very happy with that.

I have obviously tried no TC, but not long enough, I`d spent an hour being a couple of seconds slower on a couple of occasions and just came off thinking I`d wasted the precious little time I had.  If I was younger, without these other commitments I would most definitely hammer away with it and wouldn't let myself out of the room until I had conquered it. But I take the alternative everyday of the week.

I think its the sort of thing you have to go with though and not go back. Damn my lead foot.

[7thGearRL 8]

I've been reliably informed that medium TC is just as fast on the latest patch

[auroboros 0]

Wow with the medium setting its now impossible to lose the back end. Game is boring now. Its no challenge with medium anymore. I dont use a pad to play with no assists because quite frankly its too much of a headache because of how flimsy my pad and fingers are. I use my hands for a living so this game was therapeutic. Now its just dull or impossible for me. Well done codies. Oh well had fun playing 4 seasons with 50% races, interest is gone now. Console users will hate this patch my bet. Sigh

[WilloWolves9 0]

Is Medium Traction slower then now? Has anyone tested time comparison?
Might be time to switch to TC off if that’s the case.

[KevRusski 0]

I've been told it's harder, not checked for myself so best decide yourself before making any assumptions. Interesting feedback.... Mmmm

[DauntingConch 0]

KevRusski said:

Mmm, yes,  I am also extremely competitive,  thats why I joined this particular online league (PSORC) because it concentrated on fun more than sim. i.e. allows you to use TC (I use medium TC), but its still serious enough when racing,   I wanted to be competitive, I dont cheat, as the rules allow TC and we run strict corner rules etc.   I find im very good at the racing technique, brake spotting, driving line, overtaking, tactics etc but that TC is a real grind v time constraints. I finished second last season overall so was very happy with that.

I have obviously tried no TC, but not long enough, I`d spent an hour being a couple of seconds slower on a couple of occasions and just came off thinking I`d wasted the precious little time I had.  If I was younger, without these other commitments I would most definitely hammer away with it and wouldn't let myself out of the room until I had conquered it. But I take the alternative everyday of the week.

I think its the sort of thing you have to go with though and not go back. Damn my lead foot.

Our racing league is the same, it has strict corner cutting rules but you can use assists if you want to, we are about fun but under controlled conditions so it stays competetive as well.  A lot of people have family and lives outside computer games so the free use of assists make it easier for our league to attract a wider spectrum of racers. 
It's never caused an issue for me, I turned off TC a couple of years back and whilst I now have a higher chance of binning it in to a barrier, I can still compete with the guys on medium TC, yes there are advantages having medium on, but it's not so great that it spoils the game.  I agree with the majority of people on here that beleive medium TC shouldn't be faster, but must be incredibly hard to balance...

[coach83 0]

So has there been word from CM about what they actually did to the medium TC? 

[patronas 14]

The thing what I dont like about this is a small group of people complained about the tc and codies were quick to change the game just to suite a small group of people a fraction of the people that play the game the should only be a 10th or 2 gain from running with out traction control if the forum was filled with every one complaing about it then fair enough but when its just an minority of people now that minority of people have getting what the wanted and in the process ruined the game for many others I think before codies make changes like that the should have a poll to see what the majorityof people want I mean ruining the game for the majority just so the can go around bragging about there skills read an comment from someone saying its not the assist user hasent got the skills to play the game basicly ive played the game with an wheel and pad with wheel used no assists no problem but with the pad its a hell of a lot harder I have respect for the players that play on an pad with out assists as I know how hard it is but for me like someone else said havent got time to spend hours on the game trying to pdrfect the no assists and so on for me its just to get away from the real world an couple hours an day 

[auroboros 0]

patronas said:

The thing what I dont like about this is a small group of people complained about the tc and codies were quick to change the game just to suite a small group of people a fraction of the people that play the game the should only be a 10th or 2 gain from running with out traction control if the forum was filled with every one complaing about it then fair enough but when its just an minority of people now that minority of people have getting what the wanted and in the process ruined the game for many others I think before codies make changes like that the should have a poll to see what the majorityof people want I mean ruining the game for the majority just so the can go around bragging about there skills read an comment from someone saying its not the assist user hasent got the skills to play the game basicly ive played the game with an wheel and pad with wheel used no assists no problem but with the pad its a hell of a lot harder I have respect for the players that play on an pad with out assists as I know how hard it is but for me like someone else said havent got time to spend hours on the game trying to pdrfect the no assists and so on for me its just to get away from the real world an couple hours an day 

Couldn't agree more. When two thirds of their consumers are on systems set up for pads, it blows my mind they did this. The game's greatest strength at launch was the handling model. So many bugs yet they address something so fundamental to what was working well for such a large group of praisers and go throw it in their workspace toilet.

[TeS Roland 19]

patronas said:

The thing what I dont like about this is a small group of people complained about the tc and codies were quick to change the game just to suite a small group of people a fraction of the people that play the game the should only be a 10th or 2 gain from running with out traction control if the forum was filled with every one complaing about it then fair enough but when its just an minority of people now that minority of people have getting what the wanted and in the process ruined the game for many others I think before codies make changes like that the should have a poll to see what the majorityof people want I mean ruining the game for the majority just so the can go around bragging about there skills read an comment from someone saying its not the assist user hasent got the skills to play the game basicly ive played the game with an wheel and pad with wheel used no assists no problem but with the pad its a hell of a lot harder I have respect for the players that play on an pad with out assists as I know how hard it is but for me like someone else said havent got time to spend hours on the game trying to pdrfect the no assists and so on for me its just to get away from the real world an couple hours an day 

I agree but holy cow, that's a long sentence. Not very good to read. 

[robin8f 29]

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

[TeS Roland 19]

robin8f said:

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

The problem is that the handling is changed on medium TC because of the patch. 

[robin8f 29]

Raalte said:

robin8f said:

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

The problem is that the handling is changed on medium TC because of the patch. 

And it's still overpowered...

[TeS Roland 19]

robin8f said:

Raalte said:

robin8f said:

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

The problem is that the handling is changed on medium TC because of the patch. 

And it's still overpowered...

That's not the problem these people have. The handling changed and now they don't like it. 
Tbh. I saw more complaints about the fix than before about it being OP. It doesn't seem te be a good thing they've done. 

[kingmjj 0]

robin8f said:

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

It’s not even about being fast. People aren’t realising they didn’t just slow it down, it’s actually broken now. I don’t mind they’ve slowed it even though they should have made TC off quicker. The fact that medium Tc has removed any sort of turn in feels like I’m playing F1 2016. You can’t even take certain corners flat because it understeers. They’ve ruined the last thing that was enjoyable 

[FRACTURED 30]

Some make it sound like even with Medium traction, no modulation or lifting was required, could be that wasn't their intention and they have now corrected? Most years there have been handling updates post release.

They'll be back in work tomorrow so hopefully they can explain what exactly was changed, why, and based on what.

[Coffer 122]

FRACTURED said:

Some make it sound like even with Medium traction, no modulation or lifting was required, could be that wasn't their intention and they have now corrected? Most years there have been handling updates post release.

They'll be back in work tomorrow so hopefully they can explain what exactly was changed, why, and based on what.

Pretty much, yeah. Medium always felt like 90% of full but without anywhere near enough of a slowdown in both 2016 and pre-patch 2017, which made it much too easy to be fast when using it.

kingmjj said:

robin8f said:

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

It’s not even about being fast. People aren’t realising they didn’t just slow it down, it’s actually broken now. I don’t mind they’ve slowed it even though they should have made TC off quicker. The fact that medium Tc has removed any sort of turn in feels like I’m playing F1 2016. You can’t even take certain corners flat because it understeers. They’ve ruined the last thing that was enjoyable 

Again, don't like it, get better. You shouldn't get such an insanely powerful assist without having some sort of drawback. It absolutely does have everything to do with being fast, as pre-patch you were too fast relative to your actual skill.

[no1freak 0]

robin8f said:

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

If you would have the time to learn driving without TC you wouldn’t complain about Medium TC because no TC was actually faster than medium TC. Only about 2 or 3 tenths. But now it’s like 7 or 8 tenths. 

Not fair. 

[MrPsychosane 0]

Don´t you guys tink TimeTrail should be reseted after this kind of changes? I mean, we ( medium traction users ) are slower, setups are not working well, we will need to adapt, but how about TT? I just can't match my own pace now...

[MrPsychosane 0]

Raalte said:

robin8f said:

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

 You use a wheel right...? because you should understand that with the pad is really hard to get it right without any traction. And believe me, I try. Do we have to spend 300 € on a wheel and pedals just to get the chance to adapt? That is not right

[kingmjj 0]

robin8f said:

Raalte said:

robin8f said:

"and in the process ruined the game for many others"

Lol what is this for nonsense. Medium traction control has been ridiculously fast in this game and in f1 2016, the game was already 'ruined' for the players that played without traction control. You guys can't complain, you are very lucky that medium traction control is so fast. I can understand it if you don't have time to learn to play without traction control but unfortunately you should then just accept that you won't be as fast as the guys that do have the time. That's the case with every game, spend time to learn the game and get very good or don't spend the time and accept you won't be as good. 

The problem is that the handling is changed on medium TC because of the patch. 

And it's still overpowered...

are you mental? It’s like .5 slower than it was before. I can beat my medium TC times with TC off. If you still think it’s overpowered you’re either bad at TC off or just trolling 

[Coffer 122]

For those who say that it's hard to manage the traction with a pad, I learned the fine workings of throttle control by using the pad in several previous entries in the series before switching to the wheel. In fact, you've still got it easy. In both 2016 and 2017, the innate traction assist that the pad still gets ever since 2014 remains strong, leading to people like Limitless being faster than they should be.

MrPsychosane said:

Don´t you guys tink TimeTrail should be reseted after this kind of changes? I mean, we ( medium traction users ) are slower, setups are not working well, we will need to adapt, but how about TT? I just can't match my own pace now...

Yeah it absolutely should. The change is significant enough to affect a good number of times.