Med TC nerf affected PAD ability to compete in time trials

[Nickk28 4]

Look, I get that in career you can adjust difficulty, etc I made peace with that

But in time trials there is just no way to break your pre-patch lap times let alone climb the rankings with a pad post Nerf. 

I am a casual player, not going to invest in a wheel, it’s not practical and will look ridiculous... so I like to pick up and play with a pad. 

But the days of trying to improve your personal best and climb the ranking in time trial are over post nerf patch. 

Either separate out the leaderboards for pad pad users or fix the tc back to pre patch. 

No, I don’t want to learn how to drive with TC off on a pad. 


Please listen Codies. 

[lolschrauber 2]

They made it slower on purpose. Why would they revert it? They got the effect they aimed for.

[emiack76 0]

Trying to get a response out of Codies is ridiculous, requests have been made on the forum, emailed the customer service department but still nothing. I feel that they need to revert back to the original release with medium traction control as that is what I purchased not this patched bollards... Not interested in playing online or beating none assist racers I just want the car handling to revert back to the way it was. 

[HuntingHornet 8]

Like you said...youre a CASUAL player, make peace with it! This is a point that only affects "pro" players and they play without TC. 

Children and Casual gamers use TC and just wanna have fun, they don't care about Time Trial.

[emiack76 0]

They changed it because of complaints from the online racers who don’t use assist. The reason they should change it back is omplaints there getting from the assist users. If they’d set the TC from release as it is today fair enough but change it a month after releasing the game to the pile of excrement it is now what do they expect. 

[pijin 49]

Medium TC was intentionally slowed down. They have determined, based on community feedback that no assists should be outright fastest. So they cut medium TC down by .5-1s. You can still do career, but the whole point was to bring down TT times to reward no assists users’ skill, so why would you expect to do similar times when the whole point was to slow it down?

[Ebrahim 0]

Honestly this new TC patch has ruined my career mode, i can race without TC but in a williams with the AI on the hardest setting im now going into mexico 2 points behind in the championship, why make it slower med was a perfect balance!

[lolschrauber 2]

You guys are still not getting the point.

The problem with medium TC was that it allowed overpowered setups that were undriveable without assists.

[jannyg 6]

The game has definitely been changed and medium TC players me included feel short changed. My main gripe is that Codemasters haven't come out with a statement or at least an explanation to explain what has changed and why. I think it would be fair to do this so medium TC players can at least adjust setups to compensate.

 

[jannyg 6]

However, to be fair I have tried to adjust over to non TC on pad and it is fun and I have now got the hang of it after around 60 practice laps.

But I cant get within 0.500 tenths of my medium TC time. Isn't non TC supposed to be faster?

This is my problem, medium TC users have just been hit with a 0.500 - 1sec handicap and there is no 'official' reasoning from Codemasters. 

[jannyg 6]

pijin said:

Medium TC was intentionally slowed down. They have determined, based on community feedback that no assists should be outright fastest. So they cut medium TC down by .5-1s. You can still do career, but the whole point was to bring down TT times to reward no assists users’ skill, so why would you expect to do similar times when the whole point was to slow it down?

But should this not be explained to the 'community' or somewhere online before and after making this change? Fair enough that this seems to be the 'unofficial' reason, but imagine you pick up your game and all of a sudden you are slower and the handling has changed. Without this forum, you would have no idea.

'Rebalanced medium traction control' is not enough of an explanation. If they added what you said above then fine, but they have not and now medium TC users are in limbo and contemplating whether to throw the game. 

I've played all the F1 games and I don't know what to expect now, I have transitioned to no TC because of this change but I am still slower than my medium TC time. 

So are times supposed to be slower or what? This is why communication is needed 

[JR6492 1]

You haven’t been hit with a handicap, they just took your crutches away if you can play on the hardest setting you shouldn’t be using any TC! an assist is there to help players who struggle to keep the car on the road.. not to ensure you can remain quick!

[jannyg 6]

JR6492 said:

You haven’t been hit with a handicap, they just took your crutches away if you can play on the hardest setting you shouldn’t be using any TC! an assist is there to help players who struggle to keep the car on the road.. not to ensure you can remain quick!

Using your analogy, they've taken the crutches away so you can walk free but then put weights into your pocket so you don't walk too quick

All with no official explanation. It's silly and you know it is

[emiack76 0]

Ultimately all the manual racers are happy with the change as that’s exactly what they wanted. 

As as for the rest of us Codies have offered nothing in the way of explanation it’s seems if you don’t like it don’t play. 

The biggest gripe is that it has been changed a month after release, 3 seasons of 50% racers in career mode down the pan because the car now handles like garbage and the enjoyment is gone. 

The argumentative manual racers (coffer) doesn’t relate to anybody’s opinion but there own because the change is for them. 

[jannyg 6]

emiack76 said:

Ultimately all the manual racers are happy with the change as that’s exactly what they wanted. 

As as for the rest of us Codies have offered nothing in the way of explanation it’s seems if you don’t like it don’t play. 

The biggest gripe is that it has been changed a month after release, 3 seasons of 50% racers in career mode down the pan because the car now handles like garbage and the enjoyment is gone. 

The argumentative manual racers (coffer) doesn’t relate to anybody’s opinion but there own because the change is for them. 

Could not have said it any better

[ark13700 24]

jannyg said:

Using your analogy, they've taken the crutches away so you can walk free but then put weights into your pocket so you don't walk too quick

All with no official explanation. It's silly and you know it is

Judging by your version of the analogy, you must really not like driving with TCS off.

You don't need an official explanation, just put two and two together. People complained that an assist (a feature meant to make driving easier at the cost of speed) is faster than no assist, so they tweaked it to work as intended now. 

[auroboros 0]

jannyg said:

emiack76 said:

Ultimately all the manual racers are happy with the change as that’s exactly what they wanted. 

As as for the rest of us Codies have offered nothing in the way of explanation it’s seems if you don’t like it don’t play. 

The biggest gripe is that it has been changed a month after release, 3 seasons of 50% racers in career mode down the pan because the car now handles like garbage and the enjoyment is gone. 

The argumentative manual racers (coffer) doesn’t relate to anybody’s opinion but there own because the change is for them. 

Could not have said it any better

Yep. If this patch came day 2, I would have returned my digital copy (xbox) and bought a physical copy to play offline without patching the game. Doubt Codies will refund me now. I'm so livid about this patch, been supporting codies since 2010. Quickly losing faith in them. Hope they give offline modes the option to use the old setting in the next patch. If it doesn't happen next patch, it never will. If nothing is done, I will definitely buy a second hand physical copy so they absolutely do not get more money from me. I'm pretty angry see.

[FRACTURED 30]

How many of the previous games DIDN'T have a post release patch that changed something on the handling?

But would agree that Codies should further explain what changed other than saying it was re-balanced. 

[Milanpop 0]

So they made a change that affects the whole game just because someone was complaining about lap times in one mode? Specifically Time Trial? This change doesn`t affect only TT, it affects online leagues and single player. If its ok for part of the community to screw up the rest of the game just so they can brag about their TT times then so be it but its incredibly stupid and selfish. Why didn`t they just added +0.3, or whatever, sec for assists on in TT? Why change the handling all together?

Most of the online leagues don`t ban assists, traction i mean, and since there are 20 racers the gap in skill can fluctuate. Now there is another element that increases the gap and i know that driving 50% race on assists off on pad is frustrating, especially in the rain.

The main problem in TT is corner cutting but i don`t see any of you "prosimHamiltons" complaining about that.

[auroboros 0]

FRACTURED said:

How many of the previous games DIDN'T have a post release patch that changed something on the handling?

But would agree that Codies should further explain what changed other than saying it was re-balanced. 

This is the first time they've patched the handling model post release if memory serves me correct. Regardless if that's false, they've never released a patch like this one before.

[JR6492 1]

jannyg said:

JR6492 said:

You haven’t been hit with a handicap, they just took your crutches away if you can play on the hardest setting you shouldn’t be using any TC! an assist is there to help players who struggle to keep the car on the road.. not to ensure you can remain quick!

Using your analogy, they've taken the crutches away so you can walk free but then put weights into your pocket so you don't walk too quick

All with no official explanation. It's silly and you know it is

Nope it’s pretty simple, what the patch basically says is that if you want to be quicker drop the assists which is pretty fair IMO. 

It rewards players with more skill, I’m not the quickest non assists driver at all but it’s nice to see a developer pandering to the wants of the players who have put more time and effort into being quick than those who haven’t. 

I dont really care about TT but it’s pretty annoying online.. 

[patronas 14]

Milanpop said:

So they made a change that affects the whole game just because someone was complaining about lap times in one mode? Specifically Time Trial? This change doesn`t affect only TT, it affects online leagues and single player. If its ok for part of the community to screw up the rest of the game just so they can brag about their TT times then so be it but its incredibly stupid and selfish. Why didn`t they just added +0.3, or whatever, sec for assists on in TT? Why change the handling all together?

Most of the online leagues don`t ban assists, traction i mean, and since there are 20 racers the gap in skill can fluctuate. Now there is another element that increases the gap and i know that driving 50% race on assists off on pad is frustrating, especially in the rain.

The main problem in TT is corner cutting but i don`t see any of you "prosimHamiltons" complaining about that.

Spot on about the time trials just wanting it changed just so the think the are better than assist user im just pissed of about it cause codies went and changed the handling of the game to please a fraction of the people that play the game the are sad really if thats there life and only way for them  to get satifaction in there life the talk about casual players should just get what the are given cause we dont spend day and night playing on an game in an fantasy world if the want real simulation thengo on I racing or something codies should  make an simulation then see how many people buy there game then they would end up bank rupt wouldent even sell enough copies to cover there wages let alone the licences im curiouse to know if the people wrre complaing about it were betas as the betas were saying the game was good before release and yet look at the amount of bugs it doesnt matter if ur a hard core gamer or casual the game should be accessibleto any one and codies deffently shouldent be changing the physics so long after the release ive only seen one post on here about the nurf traction where the where complaing and it wasent that long ago that it was put up I wrecken all this has come about of a bunch of friends who play on line toghether trying to get the game changed to suite them 

[DauntingConch 0]

Spot on about the time trials just wanting it changed just so the think the are better than assist user im just pissed of about it cause codies went and changed the handling of the game to please a fraction of the people that play the game the are sad really if thats there life and only way for them  to get satifaction in there life the talk about casual players should just get what the are given cause we dont spend day and night playing on an game in an fantasy world if the want real simulation thengo on I racing or something codies should  make an simulation then see how many people buy there game then they would end up bank rupt wouldent even sell enough copies to cover there wages let alone the licences im curiouse to know if the people wrre complaing about it were betas as the betas were saying the game was good before release and yet look at the amount of bugs it doesnt matter if ur a hard core gamer or casual the game should be accessibleto any one and codies deffently shouldent be changing the physics so long after the release ive only seen one post on here about the nurf traction where the where complaing and it wasent that long ago that it was put up I wrecken all this has come about of a bunch of friends who play on line toghether trying to get the game changed to suite them 

You seriously think Codemasters adjusted the traction in order that non-assist users can feel superior?!  Can't beleive what I read on here sometimes, anyway...

I can see why people are not pleased with the traction change, you got used to the game as it was, found a good pace then a patch comes out and ruins it all by making it slightly slower.  Totally get it.  However, Codemasters must of felt it was not well balanced and adjusted it, it wouldn't be so a bunch of players could have the game suited to them, of course it suits some but the change would have not come from them, it would of been based on how they have seen people playing the game.  If you'd only bought the game yesterday you'd be none the wiser...

There are a lot of casual players, since starting a family I've become one too, but I can't expect to be smashing the leaderboards in TT when I don't have time to invest in the game.  I think there is cause to request the leaderboards to be reset so you can then compare yourself with players who use similar assists and it is a level playing field.  My advice, if you can get past your anger is to forget about your previous times and turn off the traction, if you're a casual player then it may take some time to adapt, you may not be as quick for some time either, but when you come out the other side it is much more rewarding to play the game. 

In short, take the stabilisers off and don't put them back on...

[emiack76 0]

Non assisted racers started the complaints, Codies listened can’t really get away from that. 

[lolschrauber 2]

patronas said:

Milanpop said:

So they made a change that affects the whole game just because someone was complaining about lap times in one mode? Specifically Time Trial? This change doesn`t affect only TT, it affects online leagues and single player. If its ok for part of the community to screw up the rest of the game just so they can brag about their TT times then so be it but its incredibly stupid and selfish. Why didn`t they just added +0.3, or whatever, sec for assists on in TT? Why change the handling all together?

Most of the online leagues don`t ban assists, traction i mean, and since there are 20 racers the gap in skill can fluctuate. Now there is another element that increases the gap and i know that driving 50% race on assists off on pad is frustrating, especially in the rain.

The main problem in TT is corner cutting but i don`t see any of you "prosimHamiltons" complaining about that.

Spot on about the time trials just wanting it changed just so the think the are better than assist user im just pissed of about it cause codies went and changed the handling of the game to please a fraction of the people that play the game the are sad really if thats there life and only way for them  to get satifaction in there life the talk about casual players should just get what the are given cause we dont spend day and night playing on an game in an fantasy world if the want real simulation thengo on I racing or something codies should  make an simulation then see how many people buy there game then they would end up bank rupt wouldent even sell enough copies to cover there wages let alone the licences im curiouse to know if the people wrre complaing about it were betas as the betas were saying the game was good before release and yet look at the amount of bugs it doesnt matter if ur a hard core gamer or casual the game should be accessibleto any one and codies deffently shouldent be changing the physics so long after the release ive only seen one post on here about the nurf traction where the where complaing and it wasent that long ago that it was put up I wrecken all this has come about of a bunch of friends who play on line toghether trying to get the game changed to suite them 

You're completely wrong. Basically you're just angry now, so you come up with this explanation. Doesn't make it a fact though.