Med TC nerf affected PAD ability to compete in time trials

[TAKIINOUE 5]

 That's actually a good point. I had a go at taking all the assists off on TT the other day, and the most tricky one to deal with was ABS. Kept locking up, even after trying a few methods suggested on YouTube.

 The manual gears were more a nuisance than anything else. I do 100% career mode, and don't fancy making all those gear changes during a race. Hurts the fingers like hell and also makes it more tricky to go to DRS and the menus, which I use a lot to check tyre wear, etc. And manual gears are a relic which I never use in real life. 

 I think the main problem with medium TC is it's less enjoyable to drive. It's made it more like full TC, which was crap. I started on that to get used to the game, and then quickly moved to medium for some balance. I don't think I'm much slower than I used to be (if at all, but then I have improved at the game), but I don't get as much feeling out of the corners. So it's not really "medium" at all anymore. And of course, Codemasters have not once specified why they made this change, so anyone who makes a statement in which they claim to know the answer is merely guessing.

[TAKIINOUE 5]

LilBrown47 said:

NickDahy said:

To be honest this change has brought the pace of our league much closer together.  Now the fast driving assists guys will actually get penalized for using really low wing with abusive setups and getting slowed a little by TC. 

Some guys instead now have turned it off and learned in only a week or 2 and are maybe slowed down a few tenths until they master it.  They can't run that low wing now but are quicker in the traction zones, so really I think it is very healthy.

The physics have not changed one bit, so I do not understand that argument, it is only the TC assist that has changed because  non-assist drivers would see the physics change as well and there was not one at all.

Exactly, same here in my league, people are finally starting to become better drivers.

All the ones complaining that assists shouldn't make them slower are just being absolutely ridiculous these days, as it doesn't take 10.000's of hours to become somewhat "competitive" with no assists at all, yet they indirectly claim that it's as hard as climbing up the deadly Mt. Everest on a cold stormy day.

Imho it's probably a very crazy combination of laziness, inability and or even the classic but golden "Dunning Kruger Effect" all at the same time that makes them "rebel" against a change that actually does massively improve competition to the point that "bad drivers" get weeded out if they refuse to improve......

 I'm not sure you understand what the Dunning Kruger Effect is if you think it applies here. 

[LilBrown47 6]

@TAKIINOUE

Sees.....

"I'm not sure you understand what the Dunning Kruger Effect is if you think it
 applies here."

.....looks at the Original Post of @Nickk28 and the threads title which literally states.....

"Med TC nerf affected PAD ability to compete in time trials"

.....drops the mic and slowly leaves the room towards the big EXIT at the side in order to flee the neverending terror of Codemasters.

May the dark forces of Seth bring sense to humanity.

[TAKIINOUE 5]

Alright. I'm not sure he's claiming to be good at the game though.

[LilBrown47 6]

TAKIINOUE

Just the fact that the OP uses assists, refuses to learn driving with no assists and simultaneously complains about not being able to get into higher ranks in TT, thus indirectly stating that he isn't able to "easily" compete against "faster" drivers anymore, practically screams "Dunning Kruger" from all sides......

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Typical outcry these days about the latest patch:

"Oooh no, i'm slow, Codies what have you done, you practically killed the game for me as i can't keep up the pace to no assists drivers now, reverse the nerf and make us lesser skilled drivers be "fast" again or i will come all the way to UK and bitchslap each one of you, i promise."

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If this wasn't about a misinterpretation of selfassessment (bloated ego), and he truly wanted to "rank up" the correct way, he wouldn't complain and whine about medium TC being slowed down and create a whole thread about his "MuhCasualPrivilege", no, he'd practice in becoming a better and faster driver with no assists like those crazy fellas in my league, fellas who strongly believed that they'd never ever be able to run no assists yet here they are finally starting to love no assists driving for what it is, a "true" test of skill and "pure" fun to drive all thanks to this patch which enforced this change of heart upon them.

Modern Multiplayer Games in general are based upon the "Dunning Kruger Effect", make the lesser skilled players feel like Gods and your game will be sold in a blink of an eye!

[TAKIINOUE 5]

  I think that's the point on which we disagree. I use medium TC and could never hope to match the guys at the top of the TT leaderboards (some of them are no doubt cheating anyway), and have no real interest in playing online. My problem with the recent patch is that it has made medium TC less enjoyable, I don't really think I'm any slower than before, but it doesn't feel quite right now. I wanted a halfway house and what I seem to be getting is the "feel" of full traction control, which is awful, while being artificially slowed down anyway.

 And while your experience might be different, from what I've seen on here most people aren't claiming to be great at the game. Of course nobody has a divine right to be near the top of the leaderboards if they aren't quick enough, but I'm not so convinced that these guys who caused the furore in the first place (guys on the TT leaderboards with fast times using assists) are so bad. They seem pretty quick, and medium TC was never a silver bullet, at least for me it wasn't. 

[VOOVman 0]

TAKIINOUE said:

I had a go at taking all the assists off on TT the other day, and the most tricky one to deal with was ABS. Kept locking up, even after trying a few methods suggested on YouTube.

 

Best advice I can give you for braking without abs is to be patient you pick it up naturally with practice and focus more towards technique and start with basics threshold braking then advance on towards other advance braking techniques.

Trail braking for example you want to do 80percent of braking in straight line as you start to turn into corner you should be easing off brakes and completing 20 percent of braking into corner this helps to rotate the car into the corner by Manipulate weight transfer and using maximum tyre grip allowing you to brake later while carrying speed into apex and punching power earlier maximising exit speed.

If your locking up before turning into the corner your exceeding 80 percent of braking grip if your locking up turning into the corner your exceeding 20 percent of braking grip. The goal is to stay within 100% braking grip

At first when I started using trial braking when I had a my csr wheel. I struggled with front lock ups while turning into corners I kept missing apexs. I couldn't figure out at first what I was doing wrong. so I increased the brake pressure by  3-5% to adjust to locking up on entry. I kept to main technique of using brakes not the engine downshifts to rotate the car and with practice I got better understanding on weight transfer and grip threshold. worked like a charm after couple of weeks being frustrated! 


trial and error my friend 

[TAKIINOUE 5]

 Excellent post, VOOVman, I'll give it a try. Cheers!

[JR6492 1]

@TAKIINOUE 

I took ABS off in 2016 and had problems myself it definitely takes some practice but it definitely makes you better at the game until you learn to trail break it might be a good idea to brake a little earlier than normal and not try turn the wheels until you’re used to braking without locking up in a straight line. The hairpin at the backstraight in China is a good place to practice this. It’s the the same as TC really(a bit more difficult) but after a while you learn how much pressure you should be putting on the trigger or pedal.

setting the brake bias to the rear helps a lot as it’s easier to turn while braking. You could also try reducing brake pressure and gradually increase it as you get used to it. I find around 80% brake pressure is pretty manageable on a controller

[ale85bg 0]

Nickk28 said:

I am a casual player

So am I (still playing 2015 by the way so I don't know exactly by how much medium TC has been balanced), but... Us being casuals is the reason why we're not supposed to climb the TT leaderboards. /thread