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That podium was so weird, I was expecting Lewis to be on the other side with the WDC trophy, but nah, it's some random DJ Handwell or whatever!

Shame he finished P9 to take the title, but who cares, he was the deserving champion without a doubt. Onto the next, I hope!
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I like Max, but I've said this before about track limits, I hate the fact that today it is possible to pretty much drive around people whilst 98% off the road. It was inside the track by about an inch or two, As soon as he knew Vettel would do that, he had no intention of staying on track and he just made his own track up - so defensive manoeuvres at some parts of the track are basically pointless because the other guy can just use the run off area, crazy. Happened again with Massa and Vettel later on, both incidents should have been penalised in some form, although Massa was a bit out of control when he tried to force Vettel off. But still, I hate watching passes where the majority of the overtaking car is in no mans land, doesn't demonstrate much skill to me if you just drive it like a car park. 

I'm not really a fan of forcing people off either having said that, bit of a dick move in my view but it seems like a lot of people are ok with it. Whatever, start was very clumsy for several reasons.

Even though he'll never read it, congrats to Lewis for winning the title, he deserved it in the end, Ferrari let themselves down, as a team, once again. Unfortunately it felt more like an inevitability when it came rather than what I'd hoped for but I'm sure some of you guys are very happy anyway ;)


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Hughesy said:
AMS97KRR said:
Oh, and now he's gone and said this.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/924766599223173121

What. A. *****.
Calm down, it was a tongue-in-cheek comments ffs...
Doesnt come across that way I'm afraid, he's taking crap about a guy who is happily retired, spending time with his family after achieving his childhood dream.

He just sounds very upset about 2016 still. A fair amount of people didn't like what he said there.
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I like Max, but I've said this before about track limits, I hate the fact that today it is possible to pretty much drive around people whilst 98% off the road. It was inside the track by about an inch or two, As soon as he knew Vettel would do that, he had no intention of staying on track and he just made his own track up - so defensive manoeuvres at some parts of the track are basically pointless because the other guy can just use the run off area, crazy. Happened again with Massa and Vettel later on, both incidents should have been penalised in some form, although Massa was a bit out of control when he tried to force Vettel off. But still, I hate watching passes where the majority of the overtaking car is in no mans land, doesn't demonstrate much skill to me if you just drive it like a car park. 

I'm not really a fan of forcing people off either having said that, bit of a **** move in my view but it seems like a lot of people are ok with it. Whatever, start was very clumsy for several reasons.

Even though he'll never read it, congrats to Lewis for winning the title, he deserved it in the end, Ferrari let themselves down, as a team, once again. Unfortunately it felt more like an inevitability when it came rather than what I'd hoped for but I'm sure some of you guys are very happy anyway ;)


So wait, let me get this straight. You're saying that Verstappen deserved a penalty because Vettel forced him off in T1, and that Massa deserves a penalty because he forced Vettel off... Come on man, double standards.

And then you can't admit that Vettel drove like an amateur through the first corners by hitting Verstappen and Hamilton.

At least you congratulated Hamilton before insulting him I guess.
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I like Max, but I've said this before about track limits, I hate the fact that today it is possible to pretty much drive around people whilst 98% off the road. It was inside the track by about an inch or two, As soon as he knew Vettel would do that, he had no intention of staying on track and he just made his own track up - so defensive manoeuvres at some parts of the track are basically pointless because the other guy can just use the run off area, crazy. Happened again with Massa and Vettel later on, both incidents should have been penalised in some form, although Massa was a bit out of control when he tried to force Vettel off. But still, I hate watching passes where the majority of the overtaking car is in no mans land, doesn't demonstrate much skill to me if you just drive it like a car park. 

I'm not really a fan of forcing people off either having said that, bit of a **** move in my view but it seems like a lot of people are ok with it. Whatever, start was very clumsy for several reasons.

Even though he'll never read it, congrats to Lewis for winning the title, he deserved it in the end, Ferrari let themselves down, as a team, once again. Unfortunately it felt more like an inevitability when it came rather than what I'd hoped for but I'm sure some of you guys are very happy anyway ;)


So wait, let me get this straight. You're saying that Verstappen deserved a penalty because Vettel forced him off in T1, and that Massa deserves a penalty because he forced Vettel off... Come on man, double standards.

And then you can't admit that Vettel drove like an amateur through the first corners by hitting Verstappen and Hamilton.

At least you congratulated Hamilton before insulting him I guess.
No I said Vettel and Verstappen should have been penalised really for going mostly off track whilst passing. I'm not a fan of doing that at all, my only slight gripe with Massa was that he appeared a bit out of control whilst doing it. As I said, I don't like forcing people off either but apparently that's pretty much ok now. 

I can congratulate him for doing a good job and insult him for being an idiot, that's fair I think. I don't see the need to take a stab at Nico, just why? Lewis is an interesting figure because I and a lot of others massively respect in the car Lewis for his driving skills, but don't like him outside the car because of things like that. Hearing stories about how he has acted in the past (Button, Sutil for example) doesn't do him any favours either. But anyway, this is not a thread for that. 

As for driving like an amateur, the second contact with Verstappen was a bit unavoidable, Max had such a turn in angle that he swiped completely over Vettel's side of the track, it was racing incident, maybe Vettel could have done more to avoid it, but Max equally might have - Vettel had to turn in at some point and it ended up being clumsy. It's been well confirmed by now that Vettel's front wing damage caused him to oversteer/understeer and that caused the Hamilton contact. 
I'm not sure why Vettel really needed to go so defensive, second would have done it and he had pace to potentially work the strategy. But I understand that he was just desperate.
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I like Max, but I've said this before about track limits, I hate the fact that today it is possible to pretty much drive around people whilst 98% off the road. It was inside the track by about an inch or two, As soon as he knew Vettel would do that, he had no intention of staying on track and he just made his own track up - so defensive manoeuvres at some parts of the track are basically pointless because the other guy can just use the run off area, crazy. Happened again with Massa and Vettel later on, both incidents should have been penalised in some form, although Massa was a bit out of control when he tried to force Vettel off. But still, I hate watching passes where the majority of the overtaking car is in no mans land, doesn't demonstrate much skill to me if you just drive it like a car park. 

I'm not really a fan of forcing people off either having said that, bit of a **** move in my view but it seems like a lot of people are ok with it. Whatever, start was very clumsy for several reasons.

Even though he'll never read it, congrats to Lewis for winning the title, he deserved it in the end, Ferrari let themselves down, as a team, once again. Unfortunately it felt more like an inevitability when it came rather than what I'd hoped for but I'm sure some of you guys are very happy anyway ;)


So wait, let me get this straight. You're saying that Verstappen deserved a penalty because Vettel forced him off in T1, and that Massa deserves a penalty because he forced Vettel off... Come on man, double standards.

And then you can't admit that Vettel drove like an amateur through the first corners by hitting Verstappen and Hamilton.

At least you congratulated Hamilton before insulting him I guess.
No I said Vettel and Verstappen should have been penalised really for going mostly off track whilst passing. I'm not a fan of doing that at all, my only slight gripe with Massa was that he appeared a bit out of control whilst doing it. As I said, I don't like forcing people off either but apparently that's pretty much ok now. 

I can congratulate him for doing a good job and insult him for being an idiot, that's fair I think. I don't see the need to take a stab at Nico, just why? Lewis is an interesting figure because I and a lot of others massively respect in the car Lewis for his driving skills, but don't like him outside the car because of things like that. Hearing stories about how he has acted in the past (Button, Sutil for example) doesn't do him any favours either. But anyway, this is not a thread for that. 

As for driving like an amateur, the second contact with Verstappen was a bit unavoidable, Max had such a turn in angle that he swiped completely over Vettel's side of the track, it was racing incident, maybe Vettel could have done more to avoid it, but Max equally might have - Vettel had to turn in at some point and it ended up being clumsy. It's been well confirmed by now that Vettel's front wing damage caused him to oversteer/understeer and that caused the Hamilton contact. 
I'm not sure why Vettel really needed to go so defensive, second would have done it and he had pace to potentially work the strategy. But I understand that he was just desperate.
Ok sorry, it read to me like you were saying it was fine for Vettel to push Verstappen off but not for Massa to do it to Vettel. I can't say I'm a fan of this whole pushing another driver off the track either. I've always been of the opinion that you should leave at least a cars width to the edge of the track when defending like that, because forcing another driver off the track is pretty dirty tactics.

I thought it was funny :p The thing about these stories though is that there's always stuff like that about every driver. Like Perez is a prima donna who can't accept his own failures, Wehrlein isn't much of a team player, Sutil glassed a Renault guy and gave him 24 stitches (not surprised Hamilton didn't stick up for him), and Schumi cheated a bunch of times. Oh and another, one of the guys I work with claims that the brother of his friend (yup one of those rumours) worked with Jolyon Palmer, and that Palmer was a stuck up cunt who was only interested in getting himself ahead at absolutely everything, and only ever talked about himself and wasn't interested in anybody around him.

Where's it been confirmed? Most of the pundits were confused how Vettel hit Hamilton when Hamilton left him plenty of room. It looked to me from the onboard like Vettel was too keen to get on the throttle which gave him the oversteer that took him into Hamilton. And it was a fairly low speed corner so I'd imagine the downforce he'd lost from losing a small part of his wing in the Verstappen contact didn't play much part in that if any at all bud. I think the word you used is probably the right one though, it was desperate driving which unfortuantely made him clumsy.
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Who gives a damn about Nico Tossberg? Honestly.
I know this is about as rhetorical as it can get, but I legit respect the dude. Basically abandoned his pregnant wife emotionally for the sake of a World Championship, that's elite mentality.

I don't miss him, as his driving style and his career in general was uneventful. Or BOOOOOORRRRRIIIIIIINGGGGGG.

But I respect him. For how much he gave up to win the title and how much he sacrificed to win it and how he immediately decided he wanted to be a family man when it paid off. Rosberg basically drove himself to the brink of insanity, just to beat Hamilton, somehow pulled it off and instantly admitted it was not something he could do all over again. That's determination.

Also says something about how insanely talented Hamilton must be that a pretty good driver in Rosberg had to go to such lengths to equal him.
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