Teammate bug

[JR6492 1]

Is it just with Mclaren or all team mates? I haven’t really noticed anything in my career and I’m 3 seasons in

[s00zster 262]

JR6492 said:

Is it just with Mclaren or all team mates? I haven’t really noticed anything in my career and I’m 3 seasons in

Who are you playing as, how is your teammate performing, and what upgrades do you have fitted?

This should be a question for everyone, really. If Codies are finding it difficult to fix, the least we can do is provide them with details.

[JR6492 1]

s00zster said:

JR6492 said:

Is it just with Mclaren or all team mates? I haven’t really noticed anything in my career and I’m 3 seasons in

Who are you playing as, how is your teammate performing, and what upgrades do you have fitted?

This should be a question for everyone, really. If Codies are finding it difficult to fix, the least we can do is provide them with details.

I was with Haas but went to Red Bull after one season.
most upgrades are to power train as that’s where Red Bull is lacking most in comparison to the top two.

i prob need to increase difficulty but I’ve been consistently outperforming Daniel although his performance in comparison to the AI seems about right. Actually funnily enough he beat me at Bahrain in q3 we ended up getting the exact same time at the end of the session,was pretty weird

[ale85bg 0]

JR6492 said:

I prob need to increase difficulty but I’ve been consistently outperforming Daniel although his performance in comparison to the AI seems about right.

By the looks of it, you're suffering from it too (or, at least, so does Ricciardo). It may not be so evident as Red Bull is already a good car, but you outperforming him race in race out might mean that he's not been given the proper upgrades. Maybe try and see if he starts 'losing ground' compared to the other AI drivers in the future.
Just a quick question: does it happen on all the platforms or only on PC?

[s00zster 262]

JR6492 said:

i prob need to increase difficulty but I’ve been consistently outperforming Daniel although his performance in comparison to the AI seems about right. Actually funnily enough he beat me at Bahrain in q3 we ended up getting the exact same time at the end of the session,was pretty weird

Yeah, important thing to note is your teammate's performance against the rest of the AI rather than you.

You > teammate, but teammate = AI, then increase difficulty
You > teammate, and teammate < AI = possible teammate bug

[atpMaverick 1]

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[s00zster 262]

ale85bg said:

By the looks of it, you're suffering from it too (or, at least, so does Ricciardo). It may not be so evident as Red Bull is already a good car, but you outperforming him race in race out might mean that he's not been given the proper upgrades.
Just a quick question: does it happen on all the platforms or only on PC?

There's a complex third factor of if it's a case of AI upgrade progression and having too low a difficulty, in which case poorer cars can (correctly) start to outperform your teammate, and you're outperforming everyone. Your teammate will rightly be underperforming while you storm ahead.

There's every possibility this could be happening in some grey cases, but in the most extreme cases, it's most definitely a bug (i.e. being equal in the beginning, getting podiums in season 3 while teammate is dead last in every race because everyone else has upgraded past your teammate's original level).

Correct me if I'm wrong, obviously. Spent so much time wracking my brains over this I'm probably talking gibberish now! :)

And I believe it's all platforms.

[JR6492 1]

s00zster said:

JR6492 said:

i prob need to increase difficulty but I’ve been consistently outperforming Daniel although his performance in comparison to the AI seems about right. Actually funnily enough he beat me at Bahrain in q3 we ended up getting the exact same time at the end of the session,was pretty weird

Yeah, important thing to note is your teammate's performance against the rest of the AI rather than you.

You > teammate, but teammate = AI, then increase difficulty
You > teammate, and teammate < AI = possible teammate bug

Yeah in the performance table it’s still Mercedes Ferrari then Red Bull. And that’s mostly the way it ends up Daniel catches some of the others sometimes I remember him winning one race and getting a couple podiums I still won the constructors so he’s still getting good points and not really being caught by renaults or force indias.

im pretty sure I need to up difficulty but I want to wait til I get 1st driver first. Been waiting over a season though

[ale85bg 0]

s00zster said:

ale85bg said:

By the looks of it, you're suffering from it too (or, at least, so does Ricciardo). It may not be so evident as Red Bull is already a good car, but you outperforming him race in race out might mean that he's not been given the proper upgrades.
Just a quick question: does it happen on all the platforms or only on PC?

There's a complex third factor of if it's a case of AI upgrade progression and having too low a difficulty, in which case poorer cars can (correctly) start to outperform your teammate, and you're outperforming everyone. Your teammate will rightly be underperforming while you storm ahead.

Yeah, it does make sense: I fixed the original message before you answered me indeed. :)

Thanks for confirming it's happening on all platforms. I must have read it wrong, sorry. I also believe it's happening on every platform, it looks like it's another 2015 season with Raikkonen then for me (at least until I'm sure it's fixed for Xbox One).

[JR6492 1]

ale85bg said:

JR6492 said:

I prob need to increase difficulty but I’ve been consistently outperforming Daniel although his performance in comparison to the AI seems about right.

By the looks of it, you're suffering from it too (or, at least, so does Ricciardo). It may not be so evident as Red Bull is already a good car, but you outperforming him race in race out might mean that he's not been given the proper upgrades. Maybe try and see if he starts 'losing ground' compared to the other AI drivers in the future.
Just a quick question: does it happen on all the platforms or only on PC?

I’m on ps4 but I’m not sure it’s happening on mine because with Haas groesjan was OP. And Ricciardo is mostly coming 4th or 5th with the odd podium and very rare win. Think I just need to up difficulty

[s00zster 262]

JR6492 said:

Yeah in the performance table it’s still Mercedes Ferrari then Red Bull. And that’s mostly the way it ends up Daniel catches some of the others sometimes I remember him winning one race and getting a couple podiums I still won the constructors so he’s still getting good points and not really being caught by renaults or force indias.

im pretty sure I need to up difficulty but I want to wait til I get 1st driver first. Been waiting over a season though

That sounds positive, if the bug was present, he'd be getting swallowed up by the cars behind as they upgrade.

Another thing I've wondered is if anyone has moved to McLaren, Sauber or Williams mid-career and then experienced the bug with them. Would be interesting to see if *suddenly* as soon as you joined, Alonso starts dropping back compared to how he was performing before you joined.

[Leeboi85 0]

I'm in the 4th season of a Mclaren career. I have all engine upgrades bar the ultimate fuel. About 9 chasis improvements and 10 Aero.. Alonso was Awful until I turned my attention away from engine. He now consistently qualifies in the top 10 and once or twice a bit further up.

The problem being that in the race he just can't hold it, although he does often finish for low points! It's all very strange and coddies silence is even weirder.. 

My advice to everyone is focus on chasis and aero. Its a rubbish workaround but its the only one we have!

[HuntingHornet 8]

Leeboi85 said:

I'm in the 4th season of a Mclaren career. I have all engine upgrades bar the ultimate fuel. About 9 chasis improvements and 10 Aero.. Alonso was Awful until I turned my attention away from engine. He now consistently qualifies in the top 10 and once or twice a bit further up.

The problem being that in the race he just can't hold it, although he does often finish for low points! It's all very strange and coddies silence is even weirder.. 

My advice to everyone is focus on chasis and aero. Its a rubbish workaround but its the only one we have!

Its a shame that we must find "workarounds" to play a game halfway how it should work

[s00zster 262]

Phew! For a moment I thought the main thread had been closed. Relieved to find they've combined the two. At least someone's paid attention to us. :)

[jennyannem 41]

Hi all,

I've just merged all the threads on this so we can keep all of this together. With regards to this: the AI cars all receive performance upgrades, however the upgrades work slightly differently to the player car. We’re looking into ways of improving the current implementation in the future so that the two systems are more aligned.

[s00zster 262]

jennyannem said:

Hi all,

I've just merged all the threads on this so we can keep all of this together. With regards to this: the AI cars all receive performance upgrades, however the upgrades work slightly differently to the player car. We’re looking into ways of improving the current implementation in the future so that the two systems are more aligned.

When you say "in future", do you mean in a future patch or a future game? Will this ever actually be fixed or at least improved upon for F1 2017?

Thanks for your update.

[s00zster 262]

It sounds like, on first impressions, that the player may be getting the same engine boost per upgrade, irrelevent of which team they're at, but the AI teammate's boost is more graded down to their correct level, hence why you get this more at Sauber and McLaren - they're not meant to improve at the rate you're improving.

I'm wondering if this explains why, when you poke around in the files using the ERP Archiver found on Racedepartment, it shows a performance file for the team you're at, and one for Mercedes. In every team.

I have no idea if this is the case, but as if to fix the original issue where the player wasn't getting upgrades, they just bunged the Mercedes file in to compensate, knowing that one would work, but now, whichever team we're at, we're getting Mercedes upgrade boost, while the teammate is getting their correct level of upgrade boost.

In other words, that second Mercedes file needs to be edited for each team to reflect their level, and that's going to take a lot of work.

This is a massive guess, though.

[SaintEvilly 0]

s00zster said:

It sounds like, on first impressions, that the player may be getting the same engine boost per upgrade, irrelevent of which team they're at, but the AI teammate's boost is more graded down to their correct level, hence why you get this more at Sauber and McLaren - they're not meant to improve at the rate you're improving.

I'm wondering if this explains why, when you poke around in the files using the ERP Archiver found on Racedepartment, it shows a performance file for the team you're at, and one for Mercedes. In every team.

I have no idea if this is the case, but as if to fix the original issue where the player wasn't getting upgrades, they just bunged the Mercedes file in to compensate, knowing that one would work, but now, whichever team we're at, we're getting Mercedes upgrade boost, while the teammate is getting their correct level of upgrade boost.

In other words, that second Mercedes file needs to be edited for each team to reflect their level, and that's going to take a lot of work.

This is a massive guess, though.

The merc file is more likely there for equal performance when that option is chosen online.

[FRACTURED 30]

jennyannem said:

...We’re looking into ways of improving the current implementation in the future...

Would that be "in future" on F1 2017, or "in future" please purchase 2018 to see if we fixed it.

And don't take this as trolling - its an honest question. The developers have form. I would very much like to play F1 17 but not if I can't get Alonso up the front.

[Blokeyface227 0]

Sounds like in a future game. RIP F1 2017. I enjoyed you while you lasted.

[Balazsryche 32]

jennyannem said:

Hi all,

I've just merged all the threads on this so we can keep all of this together. With regards to this: the AI cars all receive performance upgrades, however the upgrades work slightly differently to the player car. We’re looking into ways of improving the current implementation in the future so that the two systems are more aligned.

In English:
The performance upgrade system is broken. We will fix it in F1 2018. But in reality we don't give a f**k.

[RhinoCharging00 1]

It's difficult to judge exactly what is a bug and what is a degree of realism regarding teammate performance.

For instance, I am at Williams for my career and at the start Stroll was about where he is in real life, i.e around the midfield, at best around 10th, 9th, 8th and at worst in 12th, 13th, 14th.

We were fairly even at first, as I learnt the handling model, the set ups etc...but as the season has progressed I have made significant improvements and can qualify in the top 6 with consistency while he is still struggling in the mid-midfield (12th and back).

I have noticed that most other teams have their team mates very close together in qualifying (Hamilton 1st/ Bottas 3rd) or (Perez 7th/ Ocon 8th) or (Sainz 11th/ Kyvat 13th), while at Williams it is regularly (Me 6th/ Stroll 15th).

Now is that simply a result of me getting better, is he getting worse, or just standing still, or are the developments I've made on the car, improvements that I have noticed affect the car in a positive way, not active for him?

This is hardly conducive to a constructors title and breaks immersion.

Just like the bizarre and immensely frustrating safety car debacle, among other things, is bad game design costing my team championship points?

Seeing as the entire reason to play career is to win the title, both if possible, it seems fairly important it should be consistent and fair.

Otherwise, why bother?

As it stands, of Williams 74 points I've scored 62, with Stroll picking up the remaining 12, and he scored all of those in the first 3 races.

Had I not been robbed in Austria by a broken safety car system, and not been grid penalised at Austria and Baku for no reason, I would have had at least 80 points... again, points that have/will cost me in both championships.

And the most annoying part is I'm not sure if starting over again, meaning the last month has been for nothing, would even help, as nobody can say if it has been fixed.

[TeS Roland 19]

jennyannem said:

Hi all,

I've just merged all the threads on this so we can keep all of this together. With regards to this: the AI cars all receive performance upgrades, however the upgrades work slightly differently to the player car. We’re looking into ways of improving the current implementation in the future so that the two systems are more aligned.

Wow finally a comment from CM. But the main question still isn't answered. IS TO BE FIXED FOR F1 2017??? 

Weeks of asking and still no answer. And it's not a difficult question. I'm really getting fed up. Game was so promising. Yet the main reason why I bought it, bring McLaren back to top, isn't possible because of this bug. Feels like 50 bucks down the drain. Thanks alot........ for nothing. 

[RhinoCharging00 1]

Raalte, she did that clever thing of speaking while saying nothing.

[AdamFreeman 224]

I do not understand what they mean by the other cars performance works differently. Only thing I can think of is that the AI upgrade your team mates car and you do your own which makes no sense whatsoever since this wasnt the case last year.

If this is true why is there not a way to see which upgrades my partner has to compare?

Its a bug I do not buy the long overdue explanation when weeks ago i was a complex issue!