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If you’re mad about not having Vettel’s black gloves, don’t get mad at codies.
To make these games, codies have to stick to a very backwards rule set from FOM where all the teams get a say in how the game in made as well as the sponsors. This is why the damage model is awful.

In the case of Vettel’s gloves, codies had to ask Ferrari to change it, they said no.

End of story.

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Why would Ferrari refuse? It doesn't make any sense. F1 2015 was awful because of a lack of career mode, and it's hard to believe that the teams told them not to have one. Why would they do that? Only to say "yes" for every other version of the game? 

 Something doesn't add up, that's for sure.

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If you’re mad about not having Vettel’s black gloves, don’t get mad at codies.
To make these games, codies have to stick to a very backwards rule set from FOM where all the teams get a say in how the game in made as well as the sponsors. This is why the damage model is awful and why f1 2015 had no custom career mode.

In the case of Vettel’s gloves, codies had to ask Ferrari to change it, they said no.

End of story.

Source?

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TAKIINOUE said:
Why would Ferrari refuse? It doesn't make any sense. F1 2015 was awful because of a lack of career mode, and it's hard to believe that the teams told them not to have one. Why would they do that? Only to say "yes" for every other version of the game? 

 Something doesn't add up, that's for sure.

It could be that Codemasters asked Ferrari who in turn asked Seb and Seb was the one who said no. That's irrelevant tho, the point is STOP BLOODY ASKING.. Lol, crying over glove colours when you can still get overtaken under SC and VSC seems silly.

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TAKIINOUE said:
Why would Ferrari refuse? It doesn't make any sense. F1 2015 was awful because of a lack of career mode, and it's hard to believe that the teams told them not to have one. Why would they do that? Only to say "yes" for every other version of the game? 

 Something doesn't add up, that's for sure.
The 2015 thing is that FOM were touchy with custom drivers on the new podium scene so we didn’t have a career mode but instead played as normal drivers. In 2016 they were brought to their senses.

Vettel gloves: https://twitter.com/TheLeeMather/status/918844169430368257

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TAKIINOUE said:
Why would Ferrari refuse? It doesn't make any sense. F1 2015 was awful because of a lack of career mode, and it's hard to believe that the teams told them not to have one. Why would they do that? Only to say "yes" for every other version of the game? 

 Something doesn't add up, that's for sure.

It could be that Codemasters asked Ferrari who in turn asked Seb and Seb was the one who said no. That's irrelevant tho, the point is STOP BLOODY ASKING.. Lol, crying over glove colours when you can still get overtaken under SC and VSC seems silly.
 I haven't asked, or cried about this issue. I agree that there are more important things for Codies to sort out than this. But that doesn't mean that those who do care about Vettel's gloves are silly. 

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TAKIINOUE said:
Why would Ferrari refuse? It doesn't make any sense. F1 2015 was awful because of a lack of career mode, and it's hard to believe that the teams told them not to have one. Why would they do that? Only to say "yes" for every other version of the game? 

 Something doesn't add up, that's for sure.
The 2015 thing is that FOM were touchy with custom drivers on the new podium scene so we didn’t have a career mode but instead played as normal drivers. In 2016 they were brought to their senses.

Vettel gloves: https://twitter.com/TheLeeMather/status/918844169430368257
Thanks for info. That is petty of them.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLeeMather/status/918844169430368257

This post by Mr. Mather doesn't have to be Ferraris cause of this particular problem either especially as Lee didn't specifically state that "Ferrari declined the request".

We possibly have another angle to this scenario where hypothetically we could assume that there's also a chance that them "suits" at Codies simply stated no as they didn't want to invest more ressources (money is all they care of and investing as little as possible whilst increaing sales is a "salesman's wet dream" / "valuable" but replaceable devs that are already working on F1 2018 to keep the schedule going in order to be finished before the deadline) into F1 2017 or rather as they deemed these "little details" (details that make a lot of sense to be taken care of in a "officially licenced F1 product" but get "no love" as almost "noone" complains / criticizes / points out the missing bits and pieces in a more or less bigger majority and as people already paid 40 - 90 bucks to Codies making all efforts to push quality become needless as long as they continously get paid by their fanbase) to be redundant.

Seriously though, after F1 2012 released in its extremely barebone status and the F1 franchise obviously lost its early charme where we had the chance to experience F1 from the drivers perspective in a more sophisticated way than ever before (disregarding F1 97 / F1 Challenge 99 - 02 / GP4 as those still hold the crown of being the best interpretation of this sports in the history of F1 games) giving us a small glimpse of the "creativity" that Codies were and still are capable of making, the benefit of the doubt towards Codemasters being "not guilty" completely died off.

2012 was the point where the assumption that "Codies is only in for the cash" and that the "devs are not the ones deciding how to progress anymore but them suits in the financial and leading department do have the power to govern all activities of the company" slowly became more and more likely to be seen as the reason of why they were and still are stagnating in development compared to their competitors in the racing branche.

There's probably much more to it than the "good ol' fairytale of the evil FOM", most of the times the devil sits on our shoulders and we let him mold our lives voluntarily just to be "happy".....

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The 2015 thing is that FOM were touchy with custom drivers on the new podium scene so we didn’t have a career mode but instead played as normal drivers. In 2016 they were brought to their senses.

That's bullshit, that's not the reason for not having career mode in 2015. Codemasters themselves said at the time that they didn't have enough time to include career mode because of the  transition to current gen consoles and the new version of the ego engine that 2015 used.

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So you made a thread complaining that other people are complaining? All the info you posted about FOM either doesnt have anything to do with the gloves or is just you straight up guessing that's the case. Why do you think you are the one that should be speaking for codemasters, F1, FOM or ferrari when none of us players, including you, fully understand the ends and outs of whats allowed or not allowed concerning licensing?

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The 2015 thing is that FOM were touchy with custom drivers on the new podium scene so we didn’t have a career mode but instead played as normal drivers. In 2016 they were brought to their senses.
Source for that?
I thought it was just a matter of it being the first release on the newest consoles, as in "we created the game on the newest consoles but, being it too time consuming, we didn't have time to add everything making sure it's not buggy".
Don't take the 2014 cars as a gift: due to the same time constraints, the 2014 cars were supposed to be the one we would be racing with at the F1 2015 release (and then CM would've patched in the 2015 models via DLCs)... Then they managed to add the 2015 ones anyway and kept the 2014 ones as a bonus.

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Of course there are people dumb enough to still argue otherwise and don't get the whole legal license concept

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What proof have u got to back up this claim that codies hands are tied and the teams have an say on what the game is going too be like dont buy ur claim at all codies buy the licence of fom which gives them control of what the do with the game its codies game not the f1 teams 

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patronas said:
What proof have u got to back up this claim that codies hands are tied and the teams have an say on what the game is going too be like dont buy ur claim at all codies buy the licence of fom which gives them control of what the do with the game its codies game not the f1 teams 
It is 100% true, all changes need to be signed off by the teams, if the teams don't respond or say no then Codemasters are not allowed to change it.  All they can do is ask, but changes mid season are difficult because the teams are very busy and unlikely to get responses back quickly. 

It is not in Codemasters control, they have the exclusivity to use FOM licensed assets, however, EVERYTHING gets signed off and they cannot decide to change things without permission, thats not how licensing works.

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patronas said:
What proof have u got to back up this claim that codies hands are tied and the teams have an say on what the game is going too be like dont buy ur claim at all codies buy the licence of fom which gives them control of what the do with the game its codies game not the f1 teams 
It is 100% true, all changes need to be signed off by the teams, if the teams don't respond or say no then Codemasters are not allowed to change it.  All they can do is ask, but changes mid season are difficult because the teams are very busy and unlikely to get responses back quickly. 

It is not in Codemasters control, they have the exclusivity to use FOM licensed assets, however, EVERYTHING gets signed off and they cannot decide to change things without permission, thats not how licensing works.
 He started wearing them from day one of this season. Pretty sure he even wore them in preseason testing. If approval enters into this subject then since they were black from the start of the season, Approval means codemasters got the wrong colored gloves approved from the get go.  Also the gloves are official Ferrari driver gloves. I have seen a couple of gt3 Ferrari drivers with this style on.  Not to blow this out of the water as if its a huge deal or anything but this is no different from wanting the drivers helmets to be correct. I would imagine  we all can agree we do want the drivers helmet in the game to match the one they actually wear. So the driving suit does indeed need to be correct also just like we all want the helmets  to be.

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