Are you going to buy F1 2018?

[Coffer 122]

Personally, I see no reason not to get it. The issues with the series right now are glaring and some of them call into question CM's ability to really deliver a good modern gaming experience on a yearly basis, but many others are severely overplayed by the rabid people on these forums and apply to far fewer people than they often think, and since I'm one of them in that sense, it's not one of the factors that could stop me from getting it unless they introduce something that does make an impact in that sense.

The R&D problems are bad, but unlike in previous years I no longer bother with career mode all that much as it's simply too much of a boring chore right now, so it doesn't hurt me as much as it otherwise could. The lack of immersion is bad, but combined with the driving experience it's okay for now, which is not something I can say about the pure sims out there right now. Every other issue can still be fixed by next year, but even if they're not, I'm currently not too bothered as I feel that, for the things that I do, the series is currently in the right place. I just hope they finally decide to introduce dedicated servers at some point.

The only thing that's important for me is whether my friends get it, as more than 80% of my 175h of play time in the game are made up of casual MP lobbies vs the AI with them. We could easily switch to AC or AMS if the series stops being worthwhile for us, but seeing as right now those are not getting any actual play time out of us for reasons that primarily come down to them simply not being as fun and not having any interest in leagues or public racing, I don't see that happening after 2018's release either, especially for me as I have no love for non-formula cars. AMS is the only serious alternative for this, but its cars, barring the Formula Ultimate (which is very good and a testament to how insanely good Niels is), are severely let down by the utterly outdated engine and are downright less realistic than the F1 2016 and 2017 cars, and the AI, even after very significant tweaks, is still worse than 2017's.

Money is a bit of an issue as I live in a country where the purchasing power for anything international (like games on Steam) is extremely bad, but my job pays well enough that I'm not too fussed about getting a game every once in a while. If one lets me down, it's a shame, but it doesn't bother me too much, and what I experience on a personal level easily trumps what others often praise or complain about, especially on the internet given people's tendency to overreact - just look at how many people are outright implying that 2017 isn't significantly better than 2012-2014.

Most of the poll options are too generic. If you want to have a good time when purchasing games, it helps to educate yourself, and that can be extremely different from game to game, series to series, developer to developer and so on.

[speeddemon8021 0]

Coffer said:

Personally, I see no reason not to get it. The issues with the series right now are glaring and some of them call into question CM's ability to really deliver a good modern gaming experience on a yearly basis, but many others are severely overplayed by the rabid people on these forums and apply to far fewer people than they often think, and since I'm one of them in that sense, it's not one of the factors that could stop me from getting it unless they introduce something that does make an impact in that sense.

The R&D problems are bad, but unlike in previous years I no longer bother with career mode all that much as it's simply too much of a boring chore right now, so it doesn't hurt me as much as it otherwise could. The lack of immersion is bad, but combined with the driving experience it's okay for now, which is not something I can say about the pure sims out there right now. Every other issue can still be fixed by next year, but even if they're not, I'm currently not too bothered as I feel that, for the things that I do, the series is currently in the right place. I just hope they finally decide to introduce dedicated servers at some point.

The only thing that's important for me is whether my friends get it, as more than 80% of my 175h of play time in the game are made up of casual MP lobbies vs the AI with them. We could easily switch to AC or AMS if the series stops being worthwhile for us, but seeing as right now those are not getting any actual play time out of us for reasons that primarily come down to them simply not being as fun and not having any interest in leagues or public racing, I don't see that happening after 2018's release either, especially for me as I have no love for non-formula cars. AMS is the only serious alternative for this, but its cars, barring the Formula Ultimate (which is very good and a testament to how insanely good Niels is), are severely let down by the utterly outdated engine and are downright less realistic than the F1 2016 and 2017 cars, and the AI, even after very significant tweaks, is still worse than 2017's.

Money is a bit of an issue as I live in a country where the purchasing power for anything international (like games on Steam) is extremely bad, but my job pays well enough that I'm not too fussed about getting a game every once in a while. If one lets me down, it's a shame, but it doesn't bother me too much, and what I experience on a personal level easily trumps what others often praise or complain about, especially on the internet given people's tendency to overreact - just look at how many people are outright implying that 2017 isn't significantly better than 2012-2014.

Most of the poll options are too generic. If you want to have a good time when purchasing games, it helps to educate yourself, and that can be extremely different from game to game, series to series, developer to developer and so on.

Yea we get it your happy with the game and you think everyone else should be to! Well guess what buster a great many people do not share your opinion and use this forum as exactly that a forum to make their displeasure known,for you to continually have a dig at those people just makes you look like a narrow minded idiot,so how about if you don't like what someone has to say don't read it and keep ya trap shut.

[Coffer 122]

speeddemon8021 said:

Coffer said:

Personally, I see no reason not to get it. The issues with the series right now are glaring and some of them call into question CM's ability to really deliver a good modern gaming experience on a yearly basis, but many others are severely overplayed by the rabid people on these forums and apply to far fewer people than they often think, and since I'm one of them in that sense, it's not one of the factors that could stop me from getting it unless they introduce something that does make an impact in that sense.

The R&D problems are bad, but unlike in previous years I no longer bother with career mode all that much as it's simply too much of a boring chore right now, so it doesn't hurt me as much as it otherwise could. The lack of immersion is bad, but combined with the driving experience it's okay for now, which is not something I can say about the pure sims out there right now. Every other issue can still be fixed by next year, but even if they're not, I'm currently not too bothered as I feel that, for the things that I do, the series is currently in the right place. I just hope they finally decide to introduce dedicated servers at some point.

The only thing that's important for me is whether my friends get it, as more than 80% of my 175h of play time in the game are made up of casual MP lobbies vs the AI with them. We could easily switch to AC or AMS if the series stops being worthwhile for us, but seeing as right now those are not getting any actual play time out of us for reasons that primarily come down to them simply not being as fun and not having any interest in leagues or public racing, I don't see that happening after 2018's release either, especially for me as I have no love for non-formula cars. AMS is the only serious alternative for this, but its cars, barring the Formula Ultimate (which is very good and a testament to how insanely good Niels is), are severely let down by the utterly outdated engine and are downright less realistic than the F1 2016 and 2017 cars, and the AI, even after very significant tweaks, is still worse than 2017's.

Money is a bit of an issue as I live in a country where the purchasing power for anything international (like games on Steam) is extremely bad, but my job pays well enough that I'm not too fussed about getting a game every once in a while. If one lets me down, it's a shame, but it doesn't bother me too much, and what I experience on a personal level easily trumps what others often praise or complain about, especially on the internet given people's tendency to overreact - just look at how many people are outright implying that 2017 isn't significantly better than 2012-2014.

Most of the poll options are too generic. If you want to have a good time when purchasing games, it helps to educate yourself, and that can be extremely different from game to game, series to series, developer to developer and so on.

Yea we get it your happy with the game and you think everyone else should be to! Well guess what buster a great many people do not share your opinion and use this forum as exactly that a forum to make their displeasure known,for you to continually have a dig at those people just makes you look like a narrow minded idiot,so how about if you don't like what someone has to say don't read it and keep ya trap shut.

Except this thread is about how other people personally feel, so your comment is out of place. And no, a small bunch of whiny children (who aren't worth responding to past the first post) agreeing with you doesn't make your crazed 'arguments' any more factual, it just means you're falling for the usual "consult 30 sources, pick the one that agrees with you instead of the 29 that don't" trap. Par for the course given your incessant shitposting. Consider yourself lucky that there's no real moderation on here.

[IanX 0]

@speeddemon8021

Don't even bother, that person can't even see their own hyprocrisy. He makes two snide posts then walks away filled with a delusional sense of self worth and the belief he is right no matter how obvious his remarks are flawed.

[DarkRedslayer 43]

If it has VR support
20 characters too short

[roimil 0]

I guess they are thinking that if people still buy this game even if its broken then broken game is not a problem.
But i think they should think of it in another way : 
if sales are good enough with a broken game then imagine how sales would be if the game was not broken. As i see it is just a waste of a chance to build something great.

[Alonso86 15]

I loved the f1 games from 2010 to 2013 then it went downhill for me 2017 was just a decent update with classics for me the attention to detail has been terrible from 2014 to now (detail is not the reason the game has gone downhill for me detail is something I love in games though) I’m very sorry codemasters but games like PC2 really show the potential of what a racing game can be today,  thank you for the beta 

[Runalf 0]

lol hell no.

Codemaster had multiple chances, and they still didnt deliver. 

[RhinoCharging00 1]

Release the 2018 liveries and driver line ups as DLC for 2017, on the first day of the 2018 season, for a fair price, and release any driver changes throughout the season within a week, and use the 2 years til late summer 2019 to completely rebuild the game.

That means adding new cutscenes, better facial models etc..., updating the overall look and sound of the game (f1 2017 has one, ONE, piece of music recycled at every loading screen...that is lazy), refining career mode, fixing the numerous bugs and inconsistencies (pitch black track surface, broken multiplayer and career, (V) SC), and test, test, test some more until every game mode, track, car, weather variable has been played to breaking point and the game deemed ready for release. 

Then conduct several open beta tests to check again.

Do this, because it'll make the game better, because it's what's needed, and you'll sell record numbers.

Keep rehashing and reheating the same game with the same flaws for the next 3 or 4 years, until a new console generation or the official rights are taken away, and the series will dwindle into irrelevance.

I personally believe all big brands in sport, be it f1 or football, should give the rights to at least two competing companies.

The essence of sport is competition, but obviously not game creation. 

Give PES full licenses, let's see the fans decide which is the better game, not automatically pick the one which has all the licences because it has some exclusive deal that stifles innovation. 

Same with f1, give another company the right to use all f1 branding and see which game is better.

The market, as it always does, will decide.

Yes, you can argue it would be counter productive in one way.

But I guarantee you Codemasters wouldn't dare be so blase if a rival could, literally, destroy them.

You'd always, as a developer, be worrying the other team are doing something amazing.

Competition. 

Without it you get arrogant, lazy behaviour from people who don't have anyone else to worry about.

Anyway, that's my long winded response to whether I'd buy next year's game.

The answer being, I don't want there to be a game next year.

I'd like either a 2 year cycle or rival developer to foster competition. 


P.S I don't always buy second hand games, far from it, and I paid £50+ for f1 2017 digitally, on the ps store.

[chen255 30]

There is no poll option that relates to me. I'll definitely buy it if it rates well and has a respectable reception from the gamers who like F1.

[SamReaN 10]

Defiantly going to buy every F1 game that comes out, because I absolutely love the whole motorsport and love being able to be a part of the whole formula 1 universe in gaming, and also I can't wait until the next huge leap into the whole game, which will make it more realistic and the same as what you would see normally on our tv screen

[Bankai3987 73]

Nope, I'm done... for 2 reasons.

1 - I, as a Cockpit-Cam user, am offended by the very idea of the HALO.... let alone wish to drive with that abomination staring back at me.
2 - Because, even without the HALO, 2018 will be a broken mess. Just like '17 is, '16 was and basically, any subsequent previous titles (I missed 2013-2015, but I've been told just how bad '14 & '15 were in particular).... and Codemasters will continue to FAIL to LISTEN, INTERACT, and actually TRY to make a polished game that doesn't require damn nearly a dozen patches to fix... and STILL the game will be broken.

So no, I will not be buying another F1 game by Codemasters until they pull their heads from their asses and actually produce something worth the price they charge OR it goes to a new developer... one that can actually give us a polished, solid and stable game.

[chavalot 0]

Release the game in march or april. This way you can follow the real season of f1 even if the cars are not updated.

[ale85bg 0]

Maybe. I mean, I'll probably end up buying it first hand anyway, let's be honest. And I usually buy first-hand as I believe developers should be supported for what they do.
Still, as I said in another discussion, I don't feel like going to get it at release.
I don't know, maybe it could be a good Christmas present I'll do myself if the career mode is bug-free by then (or, if there still are any bugs, they're not critical and still being worked on).

If career mode were still buggy by then (I don't care if teammate bug or safety car bug or whatever new could pop up) I'd just keep playing F1 2015 which, honestly, doesn't have a single bug in career mode. Oh well, it doesn't have a career mode at all.

[ImDyingYouIdiot 0]

No. Simple as that.

You see, it would be one thing for them not to fix their core game mode. Sure, that sucks, but hey, buggy Codemasters games are pretty much an industry standard at this point.

What really takes the p*ss is this though: http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/comment/314462

They blatantly stole someone else's work. Yeah, maybe they didn't know that one of their designers did this, but then why can't they be bothered to make an official statement? An apology? Something?

Also, it's a pretty f*cking sad state of affairs when a blatant copy is much better designed than the in-house made car models. Like, how embarrissing is that?!


So yeah, I'm pretty much done with CM at this point. It makes no difference for them, obviously. They still have their brainless defenders, their YouTubers who couldn't find a negative thing to say about them to save their life, and they have an Esport event generating good publicity for them. But I'll be damned if I'd support a studio like this.

[ale85bg 0]

ImDyingYouIdiot said:

They blatantly stole someone else's work. Yeah, maybe they didn't know that one of their designers did this, but then why can't they be bothered to make an official statement? An apology? Something?

@LightningFast90 was right on this, though: maybe Codemasters just weren't aware of the fact that one of their employees had taken it (this shouldn't prevent them from releasing a public acknowledgement anyway).
Also, it's pretty clear that the modder they took the model from doesn't really own it, so it's like "you stole something from me that I wasn't allowed to keep in first place" (I don't know if I've been clear enough, English isn't my native language).

[VirtuaIceMan 92]

RhinoCharging00 said:

speeddemon8021 said:

VirtuaIceMan said:

I collect F1 games.

Body is 21 F1 games too short.

Ah so your a rubbish collector

lol...but you do know in this day and age we call them a "Refuse Collection Operative"?

Codemasters' F1 series may have a fair few bugs, but I have F1 games that are barely even playable! I've got a quiz over on RD on a few of the lesser-known/less-good ones, see if you know any: http://www.racedepartment.com/threads/special-guest-article-guess-the-game-v2-virtuaicemans-hard-quiz.144003/

[LilBrown47 6]

‎https://news.sky.com/story/amp/f1-games-publisher-codemasters-on-pole-position-for-250m-float-11219711


We have seen from time to time that this could go either way, on the one hand it's great news for the company to finally get a "possible" finacial boost and thus more freedom to navigate and organize better structures to make good games, but on the other hand it could also mean that the shareholders want more and most importantly faster results in terms of sales rather than focussing on quality drastically decreasing efforts to a comparable line of ethics similar to the notorious "assembly line work".....

[TAKIINOUE 5]

LilBrown47 said:

‎https://news.sky.com/story/amp/f1-games-publisher-codemasters-on-pole-position-for-250m-float-11219711


We have seen from time to time that this could go either way, on the one hand it's great news for the company to finally get a "possible" finacial boost and thus more freedom to navigate and organize better structures to make good games, but on the other hand it could also mean that the shareholders want more and most importantly faster results in terms of sales rather than focussing on quality drastically decreasing efforts to a comparable line of ethics similar to the notorious "assembly line work".....

 I fear the latter is more likely to be true.

[RhinoCharging00 1]

No.

For 3 reasons.

1) Shoddy customer service and arrogant attitude by Codemasters employees on forum.

2) 2017 isn't even the finished article, and you want to give them more of your money?

3) I cannot stand the halo device...its that big of an issue for me.

Now, should certain factors enter into my thinking and I change my mind i still don't intend on buying the game new.

I'll grab it second hand, thus ensuring Codemasters receive no financial gain from my purchase.

If, and I'm doubtful, it somehow turns out to be a truly epic masterpiece and redefines the racing genre, I may well support the developer in that case and buy a new copy.

Because that's how I see things now.

You see, me, you, we, us, the consumer, have the power and it is our money they want.

There are a hundred other games I could be playing so they need to earn my attention and they need to offer quality...or I'll ignore them and play something else.

[LilBrown47 6]

@RhinoCharging00

[You see, me, you, we, us, the consumer, have the power and it is our money they want.
There are a hundred other games I could be playing so they need to earn my attention and they need to offer quality...or I'll ignore them and play something else.]

True words of wisdom.

In this particular regard capitalism definitely has got its perks for sure, although these perks sadly get far outweight by the negatives..... 

#VoteWithYourWallet

[dirt3joe 0]

We're in that lull period where everyone is moaning. About 1 month now until the requests for info on the new game start. That will go on for a couple of months or so before the info is released and the hype train leaves platform one. It will steam through the beta.  F1 2018 will be the best game ever. By June/July the hype train reaches top speed. Goldfish like everyone will have forgotten about F1 2017 and be raiding their wallets for the cash to place preorders for the new game.

[mantazzo 100]

Eh, don't know. Stopped buying games before trying them out, so if I get another chance in beta - I'll think about it. If not - I'll probably wait for discounts.

[AsHeavenIsWide 0]

Years of the same trash released on console.

Frame rate, bugs, no support, dont want to type an essay, CM needs to change internally if they want a growing customer base

[TheEnigmaGoal 0]

I'm fed up with CodeMasters, they don't do anything to poor sports who wreck races, so my answer at this point in time is no I will not be buying F1 2018