Are you going to buy F1 2018?

[Operator1 4]

Worntoathread said:
Interesting analysis. The way I see it, the amount of frustration someone may or may not experience from issues can be just as subjective as the amount of fun someone could have for every other reason within what a game has to offer. It doesn't stand as an argument where it's suddenly not okay to recommend a game to people because of fun's subjective nature while it would justify telling people not to buy it at the same time. We don't get excited about games for their lack of issues, it's the content that gets us interested in the first place, while of course, we want that content to be as bug free as possible. You can't leave one of the core reasons people usually buy something for out of the equation when deciding if it's recommendable or not, especially when it's an entertainment product. 

To quote your ''I don't recall ever seeing/hearing any gamers tell other gamers to stop having fun with a game, so nobody is trying to take anything away from people who enjoy a game''. Maybe that's not happening directly, but I often read comments such as ''Vote with your wallets and stop pre-ordering from companies who release faulty products''. These comments do suggest something towards that at the very least the way I read it, as it's the people who actually enjoy the games and often don't feel so strongly about the issues who likely want to pre-order. It's as black and white as someone saying ''Stop complaining about bugs and just enjoy the game'' for example. Both are opposites of the exact same type of expression, and I don't like statements like these at all. They lack any sort of nuance or open minded attitude towards another person's experience or opinion.

Feedback is important, and positivity is extremely valuable feedback as well. I firmly believe that nothing great ever comes from solely being critical and negative; neither does it come from being overly positive or optimistic. Balanced feedback lets a developer know what the biggest problems with a game are while also letting them know which areas are most appreciated and where they're on the right track.. As you said, the feedback should be valued and respected, this goes for both sides.

Indeed "the amount of frustration someone may or may not experience from issues can be just as subjective," which is one reason why telling people things like "just ignore the flaws & enjoy it for what it is" is nonsense when nobody can enjoy something that is more frustrating than fun for them.

People do not get excited about features & content  - they get excited about working features & content. Features that do not reliably function properly are not 'features' at all. I don't buy racing games simply to have some digital cars & tracks displayed on my screen - I buy racing games to race, and I can't race if bugs/flaws/glitches/issues/problems often affect race outcomes.

When I encourage people to avoid pre-ordering or buying day-one/week-one, I'm speaking to people who care more about reliable functional quality than they do about rushing to immediately get their hands on a new game. The novelty of a new game quickly fades, and if it doesn't reliably function properly, there's little motivation to continue playing it. There are lots of people who find some games to be more frustrating than fun due to bugs/flaws/glitches/issues/problems, and many of those frustrated people continue repeatedly buying in the (vain) hopes that newer installments will be less problematic than prior installments (only to be disappointed yet again). My message to those people is: game companies are not in business to make gamers happy, they're in business to sell games, and money talks a lot louder than reviews, requests, & complaints - so if you continue buying, you're only funding more of the bugs/flaws/glitches/issues/problems that make games more frustrating than fun for you.

...If you are not one of those people who prioritizes reliable functional quality, then that message is not meant for you, nor is it any personal attack against you - but we all have nothing to lose & everything to gain when functional quality improves, so any attempts to suppress efforts aimed at improving functional quality are counter-productive for everyone.

[Icecream76 20]

LilBrown47 said:

@Worntoathread

His or her name says it all, "Rindt70", that year the whole world unfortunately had to witness a horrific and unnecessary death of a great driver for no reason other than the stubbornly missing safety measures of the past.

Maybe this fella is either a larping troll that is making fun of the small "Anti-Halo" movement, a bunch of people which are not going to pay a single penny into anything that is too ugly / too safe for openwheel motorsports according to their worldviews and thus basically refuse to be a part of modern Formula Racing in any way or shape, or maybe this fella is actually someone who genuinely has a very strong, but questionable as well as outdated, consortium of principles that have costed the lives of many brave racing drivers over the past 70 years, following the lines of "Racing Drivers are Gladiatorz 'N' Shiet" over the commonly shared "Safety First".

nothing new here in regards to 'i dont like this safety feature, racing is for gladiators, raaaaaargh'. Dale Earnhardt (senior) was the most vocal detractor of the HANS device... and then a LACK of that piece of safety equipment he rallied against, cos him his life at daytona. (theres a doco about safety in motorsports, championed by the likes of Sir Jackie Stewart, after his crash as Spa and the deaths of his friends Jim Clarke and Giles Villeneuve).

Halo looks ugly, perhaps. Would it have saved Jules Bianchi?? probably. Can't remember the name of the junior F driver who was killed by a tyre hitting him in the head, but he would have survived if the halo was on his car.

stupid people are stupid. sadly that won't change.

[stephensmattlee 239]

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Porn/comments/8ystnn/inside_the_cockpit_of_the_w09_5184x3456/?st=JKGG47QX&sh=a727ea3d 

Pretty much shot for shot exactly how the Merc looks in this years game from cockpit cam with the halo, at first glance before zooming I initially thought it was from the game.

Even though I absolutely hated the halo when they first announced it I have to admit I’ve grown to tolerate it.  I believe the F-junior driver being referred to above was John Surtees son Henry? Pretty sure it was back in 2009 when he tragically lost his life after being hit by a stray wheel from another car.  That was definitely one instance when the halo probably could have saved a life, not so sure about Massas accident with the flying spring or Bianchis crash though. 

[CmdrCody 0]

The recommended retail price of €70 is way too steep for a yearly update of the same game, especially considering how buggy the game tends to be at release.

I'll buy it when it's on sale.

[stephensmattlee 239]

CmdrCody said:

The recommended retail price of €70 is way too steep for a yearly update of the same game, especially considering how buggy the game tends to be at release.

I'll buy it when it's on sale.

Is well worth shopping around and doing some searching as I’ve already seen preorders as low as £41 compared to the £55 rrp ;)

[sjsharp2010 225]

stephensmattlee said:

CmdrCody said:

The recommended retail price of €70 is way too steep for a yearly update of the same game, especially considering how buggy the game tends to be at release.

I'll buy it when it's on sale.

Is well worth shopping around and doing some searching as I’ve already seen preorders as low as £41 compared to the £55 rrp ;)

yeah it is worth shopping around if you want to get it cheaper but yes while I am going to wait it's more down to the fact I have other games on my radar as well. Such as Fifa 19 and the new Tomb Raider.

[Sn0beast 0]

Just preordered and paid for the game. First ever pre order on anything, not just a game.

[LSKone 105]

CmdrCody said:

The recommended retail price of €70 is way too steep for a yearly update of the same game, especially considering how buggy the game tends to be at release.

I'll buy it when it's on sale.

Yeah gotta agree. It almost feels like I'm buying a full priced patch every year.

[Worntoathread 865]

Operator1 said:

Indeed "the amount of frustration someone may or may not experience from issues can be just as subjective," which is one reason why telling people things like "just ignore the flaws & enjoy it for what it is" is nonsense when nobody can enjoy something that is more frustrating than fun for them.

People do not get excited about features & content  - they get excited about working features & content. Features that do not reliably function properly are not 'features' at all. I don't buy racing games simply to have some digital cars & tracks displayed on my screen - I buy racing games to race, and I can't race if bugs/flaws/glitches/issues/problems often affect race outcomes.

When I encourage people to avoid pre-ordering or buying day-one/week-one, I'm speaking to people who care more about reliable functional quality than they do about rushing to immediately get their hands on a new game. The novelty of a new game quickly fades, and if it doesn't reliably function properly, there's little motivation to continue playing it. There are lots of people who find some games to be more frustrating than fun due to bugs/flaws/glitches/issues/problems, and many of those frustrated people continue repeatedly buying in the (vain) hopes that newer installments will be less problematic than prior installments (only to be disappointed yet again). My message to those people is: game companies are not in business to make gamers happy, they're in business to sell games, and money talks a lot louder than reviews, requests, & complaints - so if you continue buying, you're only funding more of the bugs/flaws/glitches/issues/problems that make games more frustrating than fun for you.

...If you are not one of those people who prioritizes reliable functional quality, then that message is not meant for you, nor is it any personal attack against you - but we all have nothing to lose & everything to gain when functional quality improves, so any attempts to suppress efforts aimed at improving functional quality are counter-productive for everyone.

Looks like we actually agree for the most part then. The points you're making in the first two paragraphs are pretty much the same things I was saying as well, just highlighting a different perspective. Maybe the biggest difference really is that I haven't experienced those issues to be completely 'feature breaking' (the Safety Car being an obvious exception, I'll give you that) which takes us back to the whole objective/subjective theme again.

Since we've been discussing everything so generally I thought we might understand each other a bit more clearly if we'd actually focus on our specific experience with the game for a minute. So to kind of step out of the vagueness, I'm interested what issues in the previous games have actually made it unplayable/mostly frustrating for you, where did it become frustrating to the point you feel so strongly about it?  What areas of the game do you enjoy? Are you still hoping they can release a game that lives up to your expectation and satisfaction? Seeing you're still here on the forums and sharing your opinion with obvious passion, I imagine you haven't lost interest completely. 

 

[BelgiumDude 461]

So where is the poll "you voted not to buy it, so did you put your money where your mouth is?" because I've seen some people that voted to be fed up with codemasters but then posted positive reviews about the game.   >:)

[sloppysmusic 1,650]

I got F1 2017. Not enough differences to makemit worth it. 
To buy it game needs 
To be 14.99
To have no halos  
To have perfect working safety car. 
One of those 3 and i would get it. 

[tarrantino 120]

sloppysmusic said:

I got F1 2017. Not enough differences to makemit worth it. 
To buy it game needs 
To be 14.99
To have no halos  
To have perfect working safety car. 
One of those 3 and i would get it. 

To list no halo as a reason is ridiculous. It’s part of the real cars so it’s partvof the game. That’s like saying I won’t buy fifa if it has VAR in it as I don’t agree. 

You can take the halo out in cockpit view and tbh we are 7 months into the season and it doesn’t make any difference at all to the experience. 

[KiLLu12258 187]

On 10/27/2018 at 4:01 PM, sloppysmusic said:

I got F1 2017. Not enough differences to makemit worth it. 
To buy it game needs 
To be 14.99
To have no halos  
To have perfect working safety car. 
One of those 3 and i would get it. 

yo mate, f1 2018 is Worlds ahead of 2017 in terms of nearly everything and mostly in car physics which is the most important thing in a racing game.

 

ah, that was a old post. sorry.

 

 

[danort17 47]

Just preordered it. 30 bucks on cdkeys dot com. Think that's a fair price for an uncomplete game when it gets released. 

[Auryel27 55]

23 minutes ago, danort17 said:

Just preordered it. 30 bucks on cdkeys dot com. Think that's a fair price for an uncomplete game when it gets released. 

Pre ordered f1 2018 ? Well... Ok then

[sloppysmusic 1,650]

2 hours ago, KiLLu12258 said:

yo mate, f1 2018 is Worlds ahead of 2017 in terms of nearly everything and mostly in car physics which is the most important thing in a racing game.

 

ah, that was a old post. sorry.

 

 

No problem man! Actually it was on sale for 14.99 on Steam last month so one of my conditions was fulfilled so I finally got it! Nearly finished my first season full races no assists its been brutal but great fun.. I just turned the safety car off as in a full race it was coming out for 15 to 20 laps making the races over 2 hours long! 

[danort17 47]

5 hours ago, Auryel27 said:

Pre ordered f1 2018 ? Well... Ok then

Oh wow I'm stupid. Still living in the past haha