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And this is why I stick to racing and race cars. This was all very hard to work out what the aim is other then go public

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"Codemasters, which produces Formula One's official range of games for the Playstation 4 console and a range of mobile devices"

PC and Xbox. Mobile Devices. 

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positive point is that if they keep making buggy shitty games the value will drop and the need to do better

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larryl said:
positive point is that if they keep making buggy shitty games the value will drop and the need to do better

I wish. EA & Activision stocks have made a few rich folks even richer despite the recycled buggy lootbox-filled microtransaction-infested messes they call 'games.'


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Understand one thing...as soon as there are investors, we (the buyers/players of the games) are no longer the customer. The customer is the stockholder who demands a certain level of profit no matter how it is gained. 

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BoothJoe said:
Understand one thing...as soon as there are investors, we (the buyers/players of the games) are no longer the customer. The customer is the stockholder who demands a certain level of profit no matter how it is gained. 


I like to translate that. Suppose CM is selling beer and once we (the buyers who drink the beer) are no longer customers but stockholders, what on earth is the certain level of profit we demand? The Hangover?

You are definitly missing the point. Stockholders don't have to drink the beer. They just want the stock to become more valuable. Selling a doubtful product won't raise the value of the stock.

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I like to translate that. Suppose CM is selling beer and once we (the buyers who drink the beer) are no longer customers but stockholders, what on earth is the certain level of profit we demand? The Hangover?

You are definitly missing the point. Stockholders don't have to drink the beer. They just want the stock to become more valuable. Selling a doubtful product won't raise the value of the stock.

That's a poor google translation. Right now, the people who buy and play the game are the customers. Once under investor control, the "customer" will be the investor . The people who buy and play the game will be merely "consumers." The company will, by necessity, listen to the will of the investor/customer, who will demand a certain level of return no matter how it is obtained. That could mean increased price. It could mean increased sales. It could mean cuts to support and development staff or office space. It could mean killing the F1 title altogether and putting all the resources into more market-pleasing efforts with wider appeal than F1. The debate won't be about how to make a better game; it will be about how to make more money. If a better game comes out of that, fine, but that's not a requirement.

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You are still missing the point. Investors will by no means dictate a franchise like F1. FOM will probably dictate the layout and guidelines. Investors might actually increase the probabilty of CM being able to hire more (skilled) staff were we might benefit from a better designed game. Besides that going public (stocks) is something completly different as getting investors who like you said want something in return. Stockholders expect somekind of profit but are less interested in what the company is actually producing. Theo are merely interested in stock value, long or short term. In the current situation we are the investors, buying the game but being not organised we can’t make a fist in getting our demands met and not drawing our wallets will not happen, believe me.

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BoothJoe said:
Understand one thing...as soon as there are investors, we (the buyers/players of the games) are no longer the customer. The customer is the stockholder who demands a certain level of profit no matter how it is gained. 

That right there is today's economy in a nutshell. That's a major source of so many issues affecting global citizens & consumers. Companies are managed as nothing but soulless financial instruments with the singular priority of producing ever-growing returns for shareholders, no matter how much quality, safety, workers, consumers, citizens, or the environment suffer for it.

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At least these companies are accountable. Oh wait, it's just a company name on a piece of paper. No individual has to take any responsibility. If they do get fined for malpractice, they can just pass on the cost to the consumer..

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Operator1 said:



That right there is today's economy in a nutshell. That's a major source of so many issues affecting global citizens & consumers. Companies are managed as nothing but soulless financial instruments with the singular priority of producing ever-growing returns for shareholders, no matter how much quality, safety, workers, consumers, citizens, or the environment suffer for it.

It has been like this in our part of the world as soon as the industrial revolution started. Nobody then looked at the future and now that we are growing awareness of what we do to our planet we are all pointing fingers but still continue benefitting from all that comes to us provided by those who ruïne it. Very few abandon their way of life because of this.

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1512marcel said:
we are all pointing fingers but still continue benefitting from all that comes to us provided by those who ruïne it. Very few abandon their way of life because of this.

A few are benefiting greatly at everyone else's expense. There's not much left about many people's way of life for them to abandon since many already have so little while a few have far more than anyone could ever need.


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I can see were this is going. Let's not go that way because our opinions are miles apart allthough you have a point. I just don't think we are that far gone. Let's leave it to that. Just watch Scrooge on Christmas Eve o:)

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That article is so messy, apart from the F1 games only being on PS4 and mobile devices, it talks of "the Commodore PC and Spectrum console" hahaha

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SgtKubica said:
Codemasters closed my thread which has reference to this thread.

Fair play Codemasters, fair play.

I think that was because a number of us were getting out of hand, and they cant deal with it. Personally, there would be less tension if they actually communicated on the forums, that's the worst part about this new game, is they don't say a thing here

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Communication is nice. Maybe an explanation as to what infractions there were that led to the closing of a discussion thread in "General Discussion" of their forums.

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FRACTURED said:
Communication is nice. Maybe an explanation as to what infractions there were that led to the closing of a discussion thread in "General Discussion" of their forums.
No moderators around to police it, we got passionate and they couldn't handle it

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