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I'm so pissed off, just found out I need to be at some obligatory uni event on Sunday, 2-4pm.

THE BASTARDS COULDN'T HAVE TIMED IT ANY WORSE.

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Obligatory uni event? That's a new one :p In my experience of living under the unwritten student code, no event is truly "obligatory" more "optional" depending on the effects of the night before. 

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That was my brothers experience as well. Those uni bars are too hard to resist and then not yet drunk. Compared to a normal bar or pub the drinks were so cheap, id go to visit  him just to go to the bar lol.

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MBKF1 said:
I'm so **** off, just found out I need to be at some obligatory uni event on Sunday, 2-4pm.

THE BASTARDS COULDN'T HAVE TIMED IT ANY WORSE.
A price had to be paid eventually for the Monaco GP.

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Well you're right Seb, nothing is truly obligatory at uni, but I'd be in some shit if I didn't go :p  And yes Jiggy, also true!!

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So apparently those Ferrari mirrors will be forced off for the next race, I remember when a McLaren was a few mm too wide they were disqualified, so it's very generous that they can use them for this race.

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Ahhh, good ol' FIA, the killer of innovation.

I'll miss ya weird looking halo mirror winglets, together with the double decker diffuser and the blown diffuser and all the other banned stuff.

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Small reminder that Barcelona is a trash track and I hope it gets removed off the calendar asap. I don't think it has ever delivered a good race. Only shit races with funny meme moments, like everybody but Schumacher drowning in 1996, Hakkinen suffering an engine breakdown in the last lap in 2001 and Mercedes self-destructing so that Mad Max could win his debut race for Red Bull in 2015.

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Ahhh, good ol' FIA, the killer of innovation.

I'll miss ya weird looking halo mirror winglets, together with the double decker diffuser and the blown diffuser and all the other banned stuff.
Pretty much all innovative things get banned these days. Go back to the 70s-80s and cars all looked so different and whacky. Even though I'm not a Ferrari  fan, I thought the idea was cool.

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BOOM!
                                                   

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Pirelli change tire construction under advice from Mercedes. Mercedes go 1-2.

*pretends to be shocked*

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Max in third though, so maybe he'll wreck them so that Magnussen can get a meme win.

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VetteIfan said:
Pirelli change tire construction under advice from Mercedes. Mercedes go 1-2.

*pretends to be shocked*
FIA let Ferrari use illegal aerodynamic parts

*Pretends to be shocked*

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Weird how as long as Merc were struggling with these unpredictable tyres everything was fine, but once that changes for one quali, it's a disaster. But don't worry, they will only use these modified tyres on like 3 circuits this season. For most of the season the italian tyre manufacturer will bring tyres which suit the most prestigious italian team more than anyone else.

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Weird how as long as Merc were struggling with these unpredictable tyres everything was fine, but once that changes for one quali, it's a disaster. But don't worry, they will only use these modified tyres on like 3 circuits this season. For most of the season the italian tyre manufacturer will bring tyres which suit the most prestigious italian team more than anyone else.
I know you're not an idiot Dan but I'll point out the obvious that there is a bit of a difference between suiting tyres which were given to the teams before the season with no prior knowledge and suiting tyres which you specially suggested because you were munching through the old ones in pre-season. 

But sure, we'll go with the cast iron narrative that Pirelli want Ferrari to win cause they're Italian. Makes perfect sense. 

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I was just giving you some of your own medicine, Seb. And surprise, surprise, you didn't like it.

Merc weren't the only ones blistering tyres in winter testing IIRC. Apart from that, I remember Pirelli saying that they would have changed the tyres with or without Mercedes's statements. To say that Pirelli specifically and exclusively made those changes to help Mercedes - as you seem to imply - seems like a bit of a stretch to me, if you take the previously mentioned facts into account.

Then again, I didn't hear you complain about Pirelli changing pressure guidelines routinely last season whenever Ferrari struggled on fridays... I guess you overlooked that, right?




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Remember when Pirelli changed the tyres back in 2013 and Vettel won 9 of the 10 races?
Yeah, so do I.

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That was some bullshit, too. I mean, Ferrari wouldn't have been able to get the championship no matter what, but Nando and my boys would've at least gotten a few more victories. Probably.

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I was just giving you some of your own medicine, Seb. And surprise, surprise, you didn't like it.

Merc weren't the only ones blistering tyres in winter testing IIRC. Apart from that, I remember Pirelli saying that they would have changed the tyres with or without Mercedes's statements. To say that Pirelli specifically and exclusively made those changes to help Mercedes - as you seem to imply - seems like a bit of a stretch to me, if you take the previously mentioned facts into account.

Then again, I didn't hear you complain about Pirelli changing pressure guidelines routinely last season whenever Ferrari struggled on fridays... I guess you overlooked that, right?
Mercedes were definatly the most prominent team that was blistering their tyres and the only big team doing so to such an extent (because let's be honest no-one cares if Sauber are killing their tyres). Even if Pirelli would've changed the tyres without Mercedes' "advice", it stemmed from the fact that the tyres on the Mercedes' were blistering. Imo that's a team issue, not a safety issue and that brings me on to the next point...

fIsince08 said:
Remember when Pirelli changed the tyres back in 2013 and Vettel won 9 of the 10 races?
Yeah, so do I.
I've been waiting for someone to bring this up. That tyre change was brought about by 4 different cars' tyres exploding in the British GP at high speed (with several others receiving cuts) and a tyre carcass nearly hitting Alonso. That was an obvious safety issue amongst all cars and a reaction was necessary. You cannot compare that situation to this one. 

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VetteIfan said:
Mercedes were definatly the most prominent team that was blistering their tyres and the only big team doing so to such an extent (because let's be honest no-one cares if Sauber are killing their tyres). Even if Pirelli would've changed the tyres without Mercedes' "advice", it stemmed from the fact that the tyres on the Mercedes' were blistering. Imo that's a team issue, not a safety issue and that brings me on to the next point...
Ah, a new category: Most prominent team that was blistering their tyres. See, but this is irrelevant to your previous sentiment that Pirelli made these changes specifically to help Mercedes. Which is simply not true, as other teams were suffering from it aswell.

I disagree about no one caring if Sauber are killing their tyres. Blistering tyres are a safety issue and I doubt Pirelli value the life and safety of a Sauber driver any different than the one of a Merc driver.
VetteIfan said:
I've been waiting for someone to bring this up. That tyre change was brought about by 4 different cars' tyres exploding in the British GP at high speed (with several others receiving cuts) and a tyre carcass nearly hitting Alonso. That was an obvious safety issue amongst all cars and a reaction was necessary. You cannot compare that situation to this one.
Of course you can, you just don't want to. ;) In both cases we have tyres that are not up to the task of being a formula one tyre. Only in one case Pirelli decided to react after several accidents happened already, in the other case they decided to be proactive and avoid even getting into further trouble. Which brings me to my last point: If anything, we should be all peed off at Pirelli for once again producing sub-standard tyres which make no sense and have way too much influence on the sport.

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Meanwhile, Red Bull also complained, yet are still 5th and 6th and Ferrari has lost their edge too, so everybody can suck it as I have zero irons in the oven now.

Jiggy loses again.

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It's not going to happen, but can you imagine both Mercs suffering tyre failures in the race?

Toto would Hulk smash his table straight through Earth's inner core. And they would hear my laughing all the way down to Cape Town.

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Ah, a new category: Most prominent team that was blistering their tyres. See, but this is irrelevant to your previous sentiment that Pirelli made these changes specifically to help Mercedes. Which is simply not true, as other teams were suffering from it aswell.

I disagree about no one caring if Sauber are killing their tyres. Blistering tyres are a safety issue and I doubt Pirelli value the life and safety of a Sauber driver any different than the one of a Merc driver. 

Of course you can, you just don't want to. ;) In both cases we have tyres that are not up to the task of being a formula one tyre. Only in one case Pirelli decided to react after several accidents happened already, in the other case they decided to be proactive and avoid even getting into further trouble. Which brings me to my last point: If anything, we should be all peed off at Pirelli for once again producing sub-standard tyres which make no sense and have way too much influence on the sport.
Fine, if you're caught up on the semantics we'll change it to Mercedes being helped in large part.

That Sauber point is not what I made, what I meant was if Sauber were the one struggling most prominently with tyre blisters and suggested changing tyres for the entire grid they'd be given short change.

For the record blistering tyres is only a safety issue if they explode at 190mph. We've had tyres that blister in the past which results in performance drops, which speaks to Pirelli's competence more than anything. But once again 2013 was a case of tyres across all cars being legitimately unsafe. This is a few teams at most (but only one team that had the problem to the extent to give their "advice" to Pirelli) which are struggling with blistering due to the design of their car. Once again that's a team problem as far as I'm concerned, not a safety problem. 

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