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Hi, I play on legand and stuggle with the AI in race. Like in Melbourne I can qualify good(in Williams) like 3rd-5th place, but in the race its all about defending my place.. There is normal that the drivers ahead just drive away, and behind me there is a small train. But I manage to keep up with them for 2-3laps, but that kills my tires so allready after 2-3laps I cant drive the same pace anymore and the train start..(im not saying the tires are dead after 2-3laps, but not good enough to keep qualy pace)

So just wonder, are someone else have this problem or just me?.. And also, I have not raced in Grand Prix so don't know it its easyer there, so do it get better in career with some R&D upgrades?...
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In Qualifying, do you do a good lap and then retire session? I don't know if 'accelerate time' behaves the same way, but if you 'accelerate time,' then this may apply as well.

The AI seem to drive slower when their times are simulated. Next time, try to wait through the entire Q3, without fast-forwarding or retiring session. This includes refraining from doing 'flying lap' and 'return to garage.' The AI will probably improve, thus giving you a qualifying result that makes more sense to your race.

I haven't done a real test on that, but I have Q3 results from a Grand Prix Q3 and from a Career Q3, both on expert:
Chinese GP Q3 AI Pole, Grand Prix Mode with fast-forwarding by retiring session: 1:41.7
Chinese GP Q3 AI Pole, Career Mode without fast-forwarding:                              1:40.1

In Career without fast forwarding or simulating times in any way at the Chinese Grand Prix, my 1:41.1 was only good for P5 on expert
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Stevomock said:
Ok so I don't know what's wrong in your situation, but my facts are still there and I think they're interesting. Two very different AI results caused by either one being simulated and one not, or by one being Career and the other in Grand Prix mode.
I mentioned that in several threads already. That problem has been there since the beginning of the series. I hope they can fix that in 2015 with the new-gen consoles and new engine
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davisp said:
Stevomock said:
Ok so I don't know what's wrong in your situation, but my facts are still there and I think they're interesting. Two very different AI results caused by either one being simulated and one not, or by one being Career and the other in Grand Prix mode.
I mentioned that in several threads already. That problem has been there since the beginning of the series. I hope they can fix that in 2015 with the new-gen consoles and new engine
I know you did, but I'm not talking about whether or not this exists. I'm talking about whether or not this could be causing people to do worse in the race than they do in qualifying, and how to possibly resolve that.
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okay  :D

just had a funny "glitch". I did a race in austria on level Pro in career mode. Saved the game, quit and put the AI level to Expert. I loaded my game and restarted it. After the race I read 'Your Qualy time: 1.11,5', 'Best Qualy lap: 1.11,2'... but I had the pole. 
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I've never used fast forward in qually, preferring to see out the whole session. I've always found it's errors by me that contribute to me losing places in the opening laps - the AI pace is fine. The difference between their pace in P3 and Q1 is what catches me out!
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stuzster said:
I've never used fast forward in qually, preferring to see out the whole session. I've always found it's errors by me that contribute to me losing places in the opening laps - the AI pace is fine. The difference between their pace in P3 and Q1 is what catches me out!
Yeah, they are pretty much faster in Q1, but it seems like they are running with heavy fuel, fuel mix 1 or something in practice... Since when im running with mix 3 I normally win the practice, than struggle more in qualifying. But if I run with mix 1-2 and some laps with fuel(like 10-15) then Im normally around my team mate's time(im Williams) So, yeah I just use practice now for make a setup then run like 10-15laps on the same tyre with mix 1 just to get some laps to try and develop setup and drive ''race training'' just try an lap consistent. And use mix 1 to that just to save the tyres from wheelspin and stuff so I can get some laps on 1 set of tyres... and since AI possible drive with mix 1 too..
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Here are some samples of Career Mode Q3 Catalunya

These are from several different sessions, the first five of which are fast-forwarded/skipped, but the last one is without any simulated time at all:
1:25.084    1:25.089    1:25.179    1:25.010    1:24.943    1:24.141
1:25.088    1:25.093    1:25.213    1:25.012    1:24.972    1:24.457
1:25.592    1:25.526    1:25.619    1:25.037    1:25.007    1:24.827
1:25.596    1:25.651    1:25.648    1:25.468    1:25.419    1:24.919
1:25.670    1:25.652    1:25.649    1:25.518    1:25.468    1:25.006
1:25.686    1:25.656    1:25.714    1:25.541    1:25.550    1:25.272
1:25.722    1:25.704    1:25.726    1:25.606    1:25.574    1:25.541
1:25.777    1:25.772    1:25.891    1:25.725    1:25.738    1:25.733
1:26.454    1:26.444    1:26.485    1:26.067    1:26.012    1:25.813


Here is another example from Monaco Q3
Best AI: 1:18.9, Worst AI: 1:19.7  -  With skipping time
Best AI: 1:18.0, Worst AI: 1:19.4  -  Without skipping/fast-forwarding time


I think it's clear that if people who fast-forward/skip want to do worse in qualifying, they can just wait out the session. As for the people who already avoid any time skips and still find problems, I don't know.
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There are tracks that are easier than others and some that are hard. I don't know all of them in 2014, but there have been in the past cases where qualifying is hard and race is easy.

For example, Spa in 2012, some of my personal results:
Qualifying P9, Race P1
Qualifying P8, Race P1
Qualifying P7, Race P1
Qualifying P4, Race P1
Qualifying P11, Race P9
Qualifying P6, Race P1
Qualifying P8, Race P1
Qualifying P6, Race P1

And on the other side, Hungary in 2012, where qualifying was easier than the race:
Qualifying P1, Race P9
Qualifying P1, Race P1
Qualifying P1, Race P4
Qualifying P3, Race P5
Qualifying P1, Race P14
Qualifying P5, Race P1
Qualifying P2, Race P10
Qualifying P1, Race P5

Weird things can happen. It's possible that your case is normal with 2014, but it's also possible that it's one of the weird tracks.
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