GoldenColt 1 Posted May 28, 2014 Aha, switching to 2009 doesn't do your theory of Vettel being able to win in slower cars any favour AMS.The RB5 was excellent in the wet at China, a dominant 1-2 is a display of that. And from Silverstone on, they were far ahead of Brawn with the exception of Valencia and Monza only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMSKRR 3 Posted May 28, 2014 GoldenColt said: Aha, switching to 2009 doesn't do your theory of Vettel being able to win in slower cars any favour AMS.The RB5 was excellent in the wet at China, a dominant 1-2 is a display of that. And from Silverstone on, they were far ahead of Brawn with the exception of Valencia and Monza only. No, but he built on his success during 2008 did he not? Nearly robbed Hamilton of the WDC....He drove very well in that STR at times, which is why he was promoted. He made better use of his equipment than Ricciardo did that is for sure.In 2012, Vergne had 3 DNF's more and still beat him in the standings. His best finish was 8th to Ricciardo's 9th. In 2013, Vergne has 2 more DNF's and finished 7 points behind. This was closer, but Vergne actually got a 6th place, Ricciardo's best was 7th. Ricciardo was nothing outstanding or anything like Vettel was IMO. Vettel racked up 1 win, 1 4th, 3 5th's, 2 6th's and 2 8th's in 2008 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted May 28, 2014 AMS97KRR said: GoldenColt said: Aha, switching to 2009 doesn't do your theory of Vettel being able to win in slower cars any favour AMS.The RB5 was excellent in the wet at China, a dominant 1-2 is a display of that. And from Silverstone on, they were far ahead of Brawn with the exception of Valencia and Monza only. No, but he built on his success during 2008 did he not? Nearly robbed Hamilton of the WDC....He drove very well in that STR at times, which is why he was promoted. He made better use of his equipment than Ricciardo did that is for sure. I didn't know Vettel was even in the fight for the WDC that year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1since08 60 Posted May 28, 2014 GoldenColt said: AMS97KRR said: GoldenColt said: Aha, switching to 2009 doesn't do your theory of Vettel being able to win in slower cars any favour AMS.The RB5 was excellent in the wet at China, a dominant 1-2 is a display of that. And from Silverstone on, they were far ahead of Brawn with the exception of Valencia and Monza only. No, but he built on his success during 2008 did he not? Nearly robbed Hamilton of the WDC....He drove very well in that STR at times, which is why he was promoted. He made better use of his equipment than Ricciardo did that is for sure. I didn't know Vettel was even in the fight for the WDC that year... I think it's pretty obvious he meant overtaking him :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted May 28, 2014 fIsince08 said: I think it's pretty obvious he meant overtaking him :p I knew that man. Thought we Hamilton-fans should stick together. :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted May 28, 2014 AMS, you do realize that bringing up how unspectacular Ricciardo looked against Vergne makes Vettel's struggles with Dan look even funnier, right? :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted May 28, 2014 Alex, you forget back then the Toro Rosso was designed by Newey as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1since08 60 Posted May 28, 2014 I like Vettel. He helped produce the most dramatic title decider in history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMSKRR 3 Posted May 28, 2014 GoldenColt said: AMS, you do realize that bringing up how unspectacular Ricciardo looked against Vergne makes Vettel's struggles with Dan look even funnier, right? :D No, it doesn't. It shows that Vettel was better in a lesser car. Vettel is not struggling to beat him all the time, he has had issues, like I've said, with the car breaking. @Mike96 - Why does that matter? It still was not that good. Raikkonen never won a title in a Newey car... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted May 28, 2014 AMS97KRR said: GoldenColt said: AMS, you do realize that bringing up how unspectacular Ricciardo looked against Vergne makes Vettel's struggles with Dan look even funnier, right? :D No, it doesn't. It shows that Vettel was better in a lesser car. Vettel is not struggling to beat him all the time, he has had issues, like I've said, with the car breaking. @Mike96 - Why does that matter? It still was not that good. Raikkonen never won a title in a Newey car... You can't compare Newey with James Key though, can you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted May 28, 2014 fIsince08 said: I like Vettel. He helped produce the most dramatic title decider in history. Would you say that if Massa was champion instead of Hamilton? :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1since08 60 Posted May 28, 2014 mike96 said: fIsince08 said: I like Vettel. He helped produce the most dramatic title decider in history. Would you say that if Massa was champion instead of Hamilton? :P Not a chance :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMSKRR 3 Posted May 28, 2014 Should keep this helmet permanently Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted May 28, 2014 Wasn't that the one he used in Germany last year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted May 28, 2014 @AMS97KRRIt's Vettel, he can't have the same helmet for more than 3 days in a row :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMSKRR 3 Posted May 28, 2014 mike96 said: @AMS97KRRIt's Vettel, he can't have the same helmet for more than 3 days in a row :P It is kind of cool, it is pretty unique for a driver to change helmet every race or two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImRiteUrRong74 0 Posted May 28, 2014 GoldenColt said: Wasn't that the one he used in Germany last year? It was Korea 2011 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vettel4xWDC 0 Posted May 28, 2014 this should be his regular helmet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alonsofan46 0 Posted May 28, 2014 Actually , to be honest , I'm coming round to Vettel a little bit ( emphasis on little ) this year. He seems to have lost some of the arrogance he had now that he's not winning. Of course , I still think he's arrogant , but if he lost all of that arrogance he seems like a really likable guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alonsofan46 0 Posted May 28, 2014 I've always liked the helmets he uses in Japan. They're usually mainly whit with red on top. Also liked the wooden one and the Monaco one with the pin-up girl. :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vettel4xWDC 0 Posted May 28, 2014 there is 1 with her nipples showing loldid you mean the sheriff helmet from texas? wasn't keen on that 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjsharp2010 225 Posted May 28, 2014 SILVERARR0WS said: Actually , to be honest , I'm coming round to Vettel a little bit ( emphasis on little ) this year. He seems to have lost some of the arrogance he had now that he's not winning. Of course , I still think he's arrogant , but if he lost all of that arrogance he seems like a really likable guy. yeah I don't know if it's a trait among Germans and (I don't mean to insult them as I'm sure there are some really nice German people out there ) but certainly their sports stars do seem to me to have a sense of arrogance about them Schumacher was the same at least I thought so back when he was winning everything towards the end he eased up a bit but certainly during his golden years he had an arrogance about him I didn't like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vettel4xWDC 0 Posted May 28, 2014 sjsharp2010 said: SILVERARR0WS said: Actually , to be honest , I'm coming round to Vettel a little bit ( emphasis on little ) this year. He seems to have lost some of the arrogance he had now that he's not winning. Of course , I still think he's arrogant , but if he lost all of that arrogance he seems like a really likable guy. yeah I don't know if it's a trait among Germans and (I don't mean to insult them as I'm sure there are some really nice German people out there ) but certainly their sports stars do seem to me to have a sense of arrogance about them Schumacher was the same at least I thought so back when he was winning everything towards the end he eased up a bit but certainly during his golden years he had an arrogance about him I didn't like maybe that what stands them out from the rest and makes them so successful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoldenColt 1 Posted May 29, 2014 I don't remember Schumacher sticking out his finger and scream around after every single win. His trademark was the Schumi-jump on the podium, but that really wasn't arrogant.I can see why people think Vettel is arrogant, but it's hard for me to see why it should be the same case with Michael. Whenever he won due to teamorders, he was not getting tired of metioning his teammate and in Austria 2002 he send Rubens to the top step of the podium-ceremony and gave him the winning trophy. Plus Ruben's got it back that year in Monza and Indianapolis, when Michael let him win. Remember Vettel doing anything like that? I don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buttonfan 5 Posted May 29, 2014 I'm sure everyone who says Schumacher is arrogant thinks of things like thishttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11fauf_gp-australia-adelaide-1994-incidente-tra-schumacher-e-hill_sportOr thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWwNU79-tZA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
