GoldenColt Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Aha, switching to 2009 doesn't do your theory of Vettel being able to win in slower cars any favour AMS.The RB5 was excellent in the wet at China, a dominant 1-2 is a display of that. And from Silverstone on, they were far ahead of Brawn with the exception of Valencia and Monza only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 GoldenColt said: Aha, switching to 2009 doesn't do your theory of Vettel being able to win in slower cars any favour AMS.The RB5 was excellent in the wet at China, a dominant 1-2 is a display of that. And from Silverstone on, they were far ahead of Brawn with the exception of Valencia and Monza only. No, but he built on his success during 2008 did he not? Nearly robbed Hamilton of the WDC....He drove very well in that STR at times, which is why he was promoted. He made better use of his equipment than Ricciardo did that is for sure.In 2012, Vergne had 3 DNF's more and still beat him in the standings. His best finish was 8th to Ricciardo's 9th. In 2013, Vergne has 2 more DNF's and finished 7 points behind. This was closer, but Vergne actually got a 6th place, Ricciardo's best was 7th. Ricciardo was nothing outstanding or anything like Vettel was IMO. Vettel racked up 1 win, 1 4th, 3 5th's, 2 6th's and 2 8th's in 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 AMS97KRR said: GoldenColt said: Aha, switching to 2009 doesn't do your theory of Vettel being able to win in slower cars any favour AMS.The RB5 was excellent in the wet at China, a dominant 1-2 is a display of that. And from Silverstone on, they were far ahead of Brawn with the exception of Valencia and Monza only. No, but he built on his success during 2008 did he not? Nearly robbed Hamilton of the WDC....He drove very well in that STR at times, which is why he was promoted. He made better use of his equipment than Ricciardo did that is for sure. I didn't know Vettel was even in the fight for the WDC that year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted May 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted May 28, 2014 GoldenColt said: AMS97KRR said: GoldenColt said: Aha, switching to 2009 doesn't do your theory of Vettel being able to win in slower cars any favour AMS.The RB5 was excellent in the wet at China, a dominant 1-2 is a display of that. And from Silverstone on, they were far ahead of Brawn with the exception of Valencia and Monza only. No, but he built on his success during 2008 did he not? Nearly robbed Hamilton of the WDC....He drove very well in that STR at times, which is why he was promoted. He made better use of his equipment than Ricciardo did that is for sure. I didn't know Vettel was even in the fight for the WDC that year... I think it's pretty obvious he meant overtaking him :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 fIsince08 said: I think it's pretty obvious he meant overtaking him :p I knew that man. Thought we Hamilton-fans should stick together. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 AMS, you do realize that bringing up how unspectacular Ricciardo looked against Vergne makes Vettel's struggles with Dan look even funnier, right? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Alex, you forget back then the Toro Rosso was designed by Newey as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted May 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted May 28, 2014 I like Vettel. He helped produce the most dramatic title decider in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 GoldenColt said: AMS, you do realize that bringing up how unspectacular Ricciardo looked against Vergne makes Vettel's struggles with Dan look even funnier, right? :D No, it doesn't. It shows that Vettel was better in a lesser car. Vettel is not struggling to beat him all the time, he has had issues, like I've said, with the car breaking. @Mike96 - Why does that matter? It still was not that good. Raikkonen never won a title in a Newey car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 AMS97KRR said: GoldenColt said: AMS, you do realize that bringing up how unspectacular Ricciardo looked against Vergne makes Vettel's struggles with Dan look even funnier, right? :D No, it doesn't. It shows that Vettel was better in a lesser car. Vettel is not struggling to beat him all the time, he has had issues, like I've said, with the car breaking. @Mike96 - Why does that matter? It still was not that good. Raikkonen never won a title in a Newey car... You can't compare Newey with James Key though, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 fIsince08 said: I like Vettel. He helped produce the most dramatic title decider in history. Would you say that if Massa was champion instead of Hamilton? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted May 28, 2014 Moderator Share Posted May 28, 2014 mike96 said: fIsince08 said: I like Vettel. He helped produce the most dramatic title decider in history. Would you say that if Massa was champion instead of Hamilton? :P Not a chance :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Should keep this helmet permanently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Wasn't that the one he used in Germany last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 @AMS97KRRIt's Vettel, he can't have the same helmet for more than 3 days in a row :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMSKRR Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 mike96 said: @AMS97KRRIt's Vettel, he can't have the same helmet for more than 3 days in a row :P It is kind of cool, it is pretty unique for a driver to change helmet every race or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImRiteUrRong74 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 GoldenColt said: Wasn't that the one he used in Germany last year? It was Korea 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettel4xWDC Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 this should be his regular helmet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsofan46 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Actually , to be honest , I'm coming round to Vettel a little bit ( emphasis on little ) this year. He seems to have lost some of the arrogance he had now that he's not winning. Of course , I still think he's arrogant , but if he lost all of that arrogance he seems like a really likable guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsofan46 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I've always liked the helmets he uses in Japan. They're usually mainly whit with red on top. Also liked the wooden one and the Monaco one with the pin-up girl. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettel4xWDC Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 there is 1 with her nipples showing loldid you mean the sheriff helmet from texas? wasn't keen on that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 SILVERARR0WS said: Actually , to be honest , I'm coming round to Vettel a little bit ( emphasis on little ) this year. He seems to have lost some of the arrogance he had now that he's not winning. Of course , I still think he's arrogant , but if he lost all of that arrogance he seems like a really likable guy. yeah I don't know if it's a trait among Germans and (I don't mean to insult them as I'm sure there are some really nice German people out there ) but certainly their sports stars do seem to me to have a sense of arrogance about them Schumacher was the same at least I thought so back when he was winning everything towards the end he eased up a bit but certainly during his golden years he had an arrogance about him I didn't like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vettel4xWDC Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 sjsharp2010 said: SILVERARR0WS said: Actually , to be honest , I'm coming round to Vettel a little bit ( emphasis on little ) this year. He seems to have lost some of the arrogance he had now that he's not winning. Of course , I still think he's arrogant , but if he lost all of that arrogance he seems like a really likable guy. yeah I don't know if it's a trait among Germans and (I don't mean to insult them as I'm sure there are some really nice German people out there ) but certainly their sports stars do seem to me to have a sense of arrogance about them Schumacher was the same at least I thought so back when he was winning everything towards the end he eased up a bit but certainly during his golden years he had an arrogance about him I didn't like maybe that what stands them out from the rest and makes them so successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I don't remember Schumacher sticking out his finger and scream around after every single win. His trademark was the Schumi-jump on the podium, but that really wasn't arrogant.I can see why people think Vettel is arrogant, but it's hard for me to see why it should be the same case with Michael. Whenever he won due to teamorders, he was not getting tired of metioning his teammate and in Austria 2002 he send Rubens to the top step of the podium-ceremony and gave him the winning trophy. Plus Ruben's got it back that year in Monza and Indianapolis, when Michael let him win. Remember Vettel doing anything like that? I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I'm sure everyone who says Schumacher is arrogant thinks of things like thishttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11fauf_gp-australia-adelaide-1994-incidente-tra-schumacher-e-hill_sportOr thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWwNU79-tZA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 You say it's arrogant, I say it's a spur of the moment-thing. It's cheating nevertheless of course, but arrogant? Did he go out and say he was proud about it? THAT would've been arrogant for me.What he did at Monaco that year was unsportsmanlike, but not arrogant. Doesn't make it better, I know. About Adelaide: Can you please tell me, why this was in any way unfair? He went off the track, rejoined it and as he was still ahead of Hill took the next corner first. Hill should've waited one more corner to comfortably take the lead. Btw, Hill seemed to think exactly the same in his first interview after the accident: Just type in "Adelaide '94: Hill's first interview after crashing with Schumacher." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 So you say Hill is to blame for this accident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Absolutely, 100%. Schumi was ahead, he had the right to take the next corner first. Hill should've waited, instead of going for such a risky move. He should've known better, especially with a championship being on the line and Schumi being the one defending his position.Go watch the interview I suggested to see Hill's first reaction (before he realized he could turn this into a "Schumi cheated"-thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Schumacher didn't just go off-track, he damaged the car so there was no possibility he could finish the race.Hill saw that and I don't think he knew Schumacher would turn in on him since his car was damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 We will never know because Hill made him catapult into the tyre-barriers seconds after that. :PNah, seriously, if you want to bring up Michael's attempts to cheat, then I agree that Jerez 97 or Monaco 06 are good examples for that but then again, he wasn't the only WDC to do that. I personally feel like Senna's 1990-crash at Suzuka was 10 times worse than Jerez 97 for example.Anyway, let's not start a Schumacher vs Senna argument, I'm sick of these by now. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 So you don't see Schumacher turning in on Hill? Ok then, we agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I see Schumacher having the right to take the corner first as he's ahead when he starts turning. Therefore, Hill's fault. Let's agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttonfan Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Ι just don't see why Schumacher didn't let Hill pass since he wasn't going to finish the race either way. Well, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VetteIfan Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 GoldenColt said: Absolutely, 100%. :)) Being ahead when you turn in to a corner doesn't give a driver an unrivalled access to swing the car towards the apex. Especially in this case. Schumacher had just been off so he knew Hill would be right on the back of him and would have much more momentum. And then, let's just say as diplomatically as possible, when Hill went for the inside Schumacher made very little attempt to ensure they both got round the corner without damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensonBottom Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 That looks more than enough alongside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alonsofan46 Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 To me that looks as though Schumacher had started to turn in before Hill was even alongside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 have to agree with Mike he did what he did to make sure Hill went into retirement too because he knew that was the only way he'd take the title. Schumacher knew his car was damaged and couldn't continue so in my opinion that counts but it's not just his actions on track though as I felt he had a bit of arrogance in his interviews as well in general just his overall demeanour seemed arrogant to me. I'm not saying he didn't deserve the success he got because for the most part I think he did but In general he didn't strike me as particularly friendly and a win at all costs kind of guy during those years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuB Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I´sorry but can anybody give me an example where vettel shows that he´s arrogantI think he´s ambitious not more. Moreover you need a little bit arrogance to survive in F1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 My god this forum is crappy, how can I embed videos in here?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator f1since08 Posted June 15, 2014 Moderator Share Posted June 15, 2014 Just copy the link into the forum and it does it automactically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 That's what I do but then it's all blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuB Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Then write the link down and we search it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImRiteUrRong74 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Welcome to the forums KuB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuB Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 yesthank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 GoldenColt said: That's what I do but then it's all blank. that's what happens to me as well if you click on the button that says Show source and post the link on a separate line then it'll work that's generally how I get this forum to post my videos. It's not a perfect solution as it throws the writing in the post off a bit but it's the best I've been able to do so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Ok, thanks man. This forum is a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsharp2010 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 GoldenColt said: Ok, thanks man. This forum is a mess. yeah I don't think it works quite as smoothly as the old one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couger1981 Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Make sure its http not https and it should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 @GoldenColt Is it from YouTube yea? Just make sure you delete the 's' in 'https'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenColt Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Ok, take 2: (thnx to Prawn) KuB said: I´sorry but can anybody give me an example where vettel shows that he´s arrogant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KriQR-TwBAEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gNDQiMnAr0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkFCE-9BRfE (+ calling another driver an idiot/cucumber)Just three things off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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