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If I was Bottas id sign that, because any other drive would be a lot worse with no chance of winning. I think if it were mid race they would have let him race, but with Vettel out it let's Hamilton maximize the gap.

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Bottas was faster though. Today confirms it, didn't even argue on the radio, just accepted his team mate winning. 

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What a mental race! Can't believe Hamilton did that, brilliant! Pure unluckiness for Seb but swings and roundabouts.

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But anyway, what a blunder from Vettel. And right in front of his fans. Shouldn't happen to a driver fighting for the WDC, especially with such a beast of a car. Too many mistakes from Seb, like last year. I'm still sure the car advantage ultimately will be enough for even him to get it through the line in 1st, but he's making it look much harder than it should be.

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But anyway, what a blunder from Vettel. And right in front of his fans. Shouldn't happen to a driver fighting for the WDC, especially with such a beast of a car. Too many mistakes from Seb, like last year. I'm still sure the car advantage ultimately will be enough for even him to get it through the line in 1st, but he's making it look much harder than it should be.
Interesting, so how do you feel about Lewis breaking his car yesterday in perfect conditions?

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He didn't break his car, his hydraulics went going into the corner which affected his steering, which made him go wide.

As for Seb, that could have happened to any of them, maybe could have taken it easier, but still easy to do no matter who you are.

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AMS97KRR said:
But anyway, what a blunder from Vettel. And right in front of his fans. Shouldn't happen to a driver fighting for the WDC, especially with such a beast of a car. Too many mistakes from Seb, like last year. I'm still sure the car advantage ultimately will be enough for even him to get it through the line in 1st, but he's making it look much harder than it should be.
Interesting, so how do you feel about Lewis breaking his car yesterday in perfect conditions?
Hydraulics failed before he went off. https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-believes-car-failed-before-turn-1-off-1062329/

That was one hell of a race. So proud of how Hamilton drove! I kinda see it as evened out a bit now that both he and Vettel have a DNF each, but with that Ferrari engine now looking so strong I think Vettel is still more likely to take the WDC come the end of the season. But he's gonna have a fight on his hands for it!

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Not fan of all the team orders. Well it's not up to me to decide :/

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Bottas penned that new #2 contract. Disgusting lack of ambition ?
Nothing disgusting imo. Bottas in a Mercedes for 2019 is fortunate when drivers like Ocon are on the grid, Ricciardo was available and Russell is on course to be GP2-champion. Part of it was bad luck, part of it was his own undoing, so he's way back in the WDC and of course he's not going to be allowed to challenge Hamilton. That he even attempted a pass was ballsy for me.

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Fair enough if that's the case. Like you said @Hughesy, it's very easy to go off in such conditions, had he done that a few corners earlier we would have watched the replays and said how he was lucky to get away with it and then continued on, like we did with many others. 

Entertaining watch anyway, if the Ferrari remains the quickest it should be good to watch Vettel try and chase Hamilton down for the remainder of the season. 
Severely disappointed in Bottas though. Have to say I really felt for him in Baku but it looks like those 25 points he gave to Lewis went to the right place, because clearly he has no interest in trying to fight Vettel.

But this is why Hamilton and Vettel are 4x Champions, because they don't sit back and accept 2nd when 1st is on the menu.

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One thing about Vettel going off - it shows exactly why more tracks should have gravel traps.

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Jiggy said:
AMS97KRR said:
Bottas penned that new #2 contract. Disgusting lack of ambition ?
Nothing disgusting imo. Bottas in a Mercedes for 2019 is fortunate when drivers like Ocon are on the grid, Ricciardo was available and Russell is on course to be GP2-champion. Part of it was bad luck, part of it was his own undoing, so he's way back in the WDC and of course he's not going to be allowed to challenge Hamilton. That he even attempted a pass was ballsy for me.
When I saw him challenging I thought "This is it!" - Then literally a few corners later all that fight went and he just settled. The title fight isn't over for Bottas, even Ricciardo said he thinks he can still win if he wins in Hungary (Before the race today anyway). 

But clearly Bottas thinks it is, which just proves he hasn't got what it takes. Needed to man up and say "I've got a 2 (1 maybe?) year deal, and I'm here to win". 

Just like Malaysia 2013, it's moments like that when you see what a driver is really all about. Rosberg didn't pass Hamilton that day, and he sounded distraught about having to settle for 4th rather than 3rd. And over the next 3 years we saw Nico was willing to fight Hamilton all the way, despite probably knowing in himself he wasn't quite as good. 

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One thing about Vettel going off - it shows exactly why more tracks should have gravel traps.
And at more than just one corner. Alonso made 3x the mistakes Vettel made today but got away with it because he didn't do it at one particular place. 

Anyway, it sucks and I'm pretty sad. But in the long run I'm hoping it's days like this which will make a potential title feel even better at the end of the season. 

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Mercedes shouldn't have used team orders that late in the race and gifted Hamilton a win, Bottas would have got Hamilton on the next lap clearly they only favor one driver. Multi 21 brings back memories.

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First of all, at the rate Lewis was pulling away from Bottas it looks more likely that he was simply struggling more to get temps into his tyres right after the SC (which would be perfectly understandable given they were 10 laps older than Bottas's tyres). The team asked Bottas not to fight, they did not ask him to leave a huge gap and give Kimi an opportunity to pass him. Did Bottas also outbreak himself into the hairpin and give Kimi a run because the team told him so?

Again, nothing suggests that Bottas had the upper hand today. Even when he pitted for fresh softs, Lewis wasn't losing a considerable amount of time on his ancient softs. His first stint and the way he kept his tyres in shape was simply outstanding, but of course some people will focus solely on one teamradio to deny all of that. Btw, Mercedes weren't the only team which used TO yesterday. At least in their case, no driver had to give up his position.

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With Ferrari's TO that was during the race around lap 35 or 40 and you could tell Vettel was faster and Mercedes TO came in the dying stages of the race and it looked like they gave the order as soon as Bottas got up the inside of Hamilton. 

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So, Vettel was faster therefore TO was ok. But when Lewis is faster and opens up a gap, TO is not ok. And just because it "looked like" (to you) that they gave the TO as soon as Bottas got up the inside, doesn't mean it was given at this exact moment. But we won't agree on this anyway, so why continue this debate? I respect your pov, but I disagree with it.

Lewis drove a fantastic race, especially in the first stint. The way he kept his tyres alive longer than anyone else while still finding pace was spectacular, as was the fact that he kept the car on track in tricky conditions while gaining seconds per lap on the top 3 drivers. He made the most of his US-advantage when the rain came, after making the most of the Soft tyre-disadvantage once the top 4 had pitted and brought it home to win a race he started from 14th through no fault of his own. Good enough in my book.

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AMS97KRR said:
Jiggy said:
AMS97KRR said:
Bottas penned that new #2 contract. Disgusting lack of ambition ?
Nothing disgusting imo. Bottas in a Mercedes for 2019 is fortunate when drivers like Ocon are on the grid, Ricciardo was available and Russell is on course to be GP2-champion. Part of it was bad luck, part of it was his own undoing, so he's way back in the WDC and of course he's not going to be allowed to challenge Hamilton. That he even attempted a pass was ballsy for me.
When I saw him challenging I thought "This is it!" - Then literally a few corners later all that fight went and he just settled. The title fight isn't over for Bottas, even Ricciardo said he thinks he can still win if he wins in Hungary (Before the race today anyway). 

But clearly Bottas thinks it is, which just proves he hasn't got what it takes. Needed to man up and say "I've got a 2 (1 maybe?) year deal, and I'm here to win". 

Just like Malaysia 2013, it's moments like that when you see what a driver is really all about. Rosberg didn't pass Hamilton that day, and he sounded distraught about having to settle for 4th rather than 3rd. And over the next 3 years we saw Nico was willing to fight Hamilton all the way, despite probably knowing in himself he wasn't quite as good. 
There is a big difference between Bottas and Rosberg's situations though, Bottas isn't just fighting Hamilton like with Rosberg when the WDC was between the Mercedes-driver only, there are also Vettel and Raikkonen in a Ferrari and Ricciardo in a Red Bull, who were all in front of Bottas before the German GP. When you're Mercedes, it would be downright stupid to allow Bottas to take points away from Hamilton when you're competing with drivers from different teams for the championship. Knowing all that, Bottas still attacked. Mercedes had to call him off, why would you allow Bottas to attack when he's +60 points behind Hamilton and +70 points behind Vettel? Had he "manned up", he would've put his own interests above that of the team. You can get away with that if you're the one leading the charge in the WDC for your team. Not when you're as far back as Bottas is.

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Same with Ferrari: points wise Kimi is way back on Vettel. So team-orders will be in favor of Vettel. Doing anything else, would be dumb.

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It's simply, really. Team order are legal, so let them be. Just don't be hypocritical about it.

As for the race and the championship: the way I see it, Ferrari do have a car to win both championships. Are they going to win it? No.
I no longer doubt the car, but the drivers.
Kimi is long past it, well all know that. And Seb is far too inconsistent. I mean, a fucking 4-time world championship binning it in the rain like a rookie in his first season? That's plain embarrassing. Not to mention the strategy calls from the pit wall which are still baffling at times.

Maybe they have a better shot with Leclerc, but certainly not with lukewarm-man and bins-it-like-a-rookie.


I'll also take a break from the whole F1 circus in general. I've already unfollowed all major news outlets and accounts. My mental health has gone down the shitter these past few months and I need to reduce the stuff in my life that makes me feel like crap. Maybe I'll pick it up again, but for now I'm done.

Still, I hope you all enjoy the rest of the season. Cheers!

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Alright man, that sounds serious, so all I can say really is be safe and be well and take care of yourself.

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I no longer doubt the car, but the drivers.
Kimi is long past it, well all know that. And Seb is far too inconsistent. I mean, a **** 4-time world championship binning it in the rain like a rookie in his first season? That's plain embarrassing. Not to mention the strategy calls from the pit wall which are still baffling at times.

Maybe they have a better shot with Leclerc, but certainly not with lukewarm-man and bins-it-like-a-rookie.
It happens. Every driver in history has binned it at some point in the wet. Or in the dry. No reason to lose faith. Seb's been in far worse positions than this before. 

Also Leclerc was maybe the worst driver out of everyone in the wet on Sunday. He was off the track nearly every corner it felt like. Whatever you think of Seb, thinking that Leclerc is a better alternative right now is premature. 

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Anyway I am sad to hear about your mental health, and it's a shame you can't turn to F1 because sport can often be a welcome distraction when things aren't going too well. But if F1 is contributing to the problem just remember at the end of the day, none of it really matters. Take care my friend.

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@ImDyingYouIdiot Man sucks to hear about your mental health, my brother is also dealing with mental health issues after his marriage fell apart. Thought he was getting better and then I found he'd drunk alcohol before work this morning. If you need it I hope you get help, talking to someone helps a lot. I myself went through it after the death of a friend a while back and it's not nice.

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I did manage to watch the race on Sunday in the end! The family I'm staying with have a stupidly big 85+ inch TV, so watched the ESPN coverage (with Sky commentary).

What a race! Slow start but it all came together with the rain. I absolutely lept out my seat when Vettel went off, I was shocked. I'm still in shock! Can't believe he let that one slip away.

Doubt I will be able to watch the Hungarian GP this weekend however as I'm gonna be in a hotel now, unless they have ESPN on a TV in the room by some miracle.

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