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[BUG] F1 2018 - Fuel rate of consumption!

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alex172

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I've restarted my career, ensuring that I do not restart any sessions (if I must, I use a flashback or quit to main menu - reloading mid-session save also seems to work) and that the fuel consumption programme records correctly each time. Haven't had the issue yet on my restarted career.
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Aropretim

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@Maxime10: thank you for the demonstration. The bug should now be easily fixed, as soon as they find the reason why restarting a training will cause the engine not to consume fuel.

@Gabimad: I know what you mean. It's hard to save fuel, if you do the program on lean mode. It's also hard to spend the extra fuel if you do the program on rich mode.
But believe me when I tell you that these extreme differences (average 1.72kg per lap in practise - calculated 0.86kg per lap in race) can only be caused by a bug.

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outhakutti

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Career mode can't be played like this. Ran out of fuel the first time in a 50% race, I usually only take 1-2 laps of extra fuel(in F1 2017). Was 7 laps under fuelled in no time and then ran out of fuel on lap 22/29.

Ok, restart session, take the maximum fuel allowed (41 laps), have to run on lean for 99.99% of the race - though Jeff kept on asking for mix to be turned up. Towards the end, I was half a lap under, with a lot of coasting in the final laps. Luckily for me, Hamilton managed to lap me just as I was going to start the final lap, so I didn't have to do it.

Please fix this bug, codemasters !!
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LukEditz

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Same thing happened to me in Chinese GP, seems like it gets bugged in race strategy programme so your car gets really underfueled at the start of the race no matter what you choose... Here's a video how this issue looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQ36U8DDWk
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Nick86ITA

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Hi everyone,
tested this morning on a 25% race ( Australia 15 laps) in career mode. 
Started with +8.00 laps of fuel and ERS set to AUTO, after only 3 laps was down to +3.45 fuel 
I've managed to get to lap 11 and retired without fuel. Tryed the same car Haas same track same 25, ful consumption was regular and +0.06 the whole time.
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LukEditz

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Just finished the 50% race in China. I've set the fuel at the start to max (more than +9 laps), after 3 laps when I was at +8 laps Jeff said 'faster engine mode available we have fuel +3' so I kept going. I ran out of fuel at the beginning of lap 27 (MFD was showing -2 laps so those numbers are correct) and had to retire. It worked well the first 2 races. As I've heard the reason for this might be restarting a training session you did the race strategy in. This was the first weekend I did it in FP1. Hoping to get it fixed soon.
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RobPro24

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Maxime10 said:
Hi all,

We're still drilling down to try and get the best information for the development team, could I request some more information on their behalf?

Can I ask for a short video of the issue happening? Ideally just a short video showing the MFD fuel screen as well as a lap or two of the changing values. Equally, a screenshot of your R&D progress wold be useful (particularly fuel related) so we can rule out any issues there.

Thanks for your patience.
DriverNumber22
Okay.
I just made a 20min video to explain precisely how the bug occure in FP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoBHI-C-TA4

Here a timecode of differents actions

00:00 – 01:00 Creating a new career
02:10 : R&D progress
02:28 : Starting FP1
02:43 : Set 27 kg of fuel
02:55 - 06:23 : 2 Laps without the bug fuel. Using various fuel settings
06:23 : Back to the pit menu
06:35 : Starting fuel consumption practice  (without bug)
06:42 - 10:08 - End of fuel consumption practice (without bug)
10:16 :  Fuel consumption practice results (without bug)
!! 10:28 : RESTART SESSION !!
10:41 : Starting fuel consumption practice (WITH BUG)
12:40 : First lap WITH BUG of fuel consumption practice
14:12 : End of fuel consumption practice (WITH BUG)
14:22 : Fuel consumption practice results (WITH BUG)
15:15 : Starting FP3
15:24 - 17:40 : 1 Lap without the bug fuel. Using various fuel settings
!! 17:48 : RESTART SESSION !!
18:00 - 20:00 : 1 Lap WITH the bug fuel. Using various fuel settings


And here another video of the bug during a RACE (not mine)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZNBXAGquWo

As you can see, even in the "lean" mode, he can save fuel.

Hope it help. Let me know if you need something else !





I have the same issue. When i was  in the Pit, then i have +1.23Fuel, after when i leave the Pit, then my fuel change to -1.6...
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Radmsc

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I have the same issue at my career mode in Hungary. Can't remember restarting one of the practice sessions though...

Simple question: why can't Codies program the race in such a way that we can take the maximum amount of fuel with us which is stated in the official FIA regulations? In a full race that would be 105 KG. In a 50% race that should be 52,5 KG (which I would make 54 KG, as the amount of laps are rounded up). Can't be too hard to program that, I think.
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Darksense74

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like maxime10 videos i dont need to restart the session to get the bug. Just Change to Custom Setup change some values and start the lap.Occured with McLaren. Used 10 kg Fuel. Tested it on Ferrari didnt happen there.
I think it happens if u use custom Fuel Load. Gonna test it with 20kg.

Edit: There was no bug with 20kg of Fuel  hm...
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alex172

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Just a thought - if restarting sessions (including races?) sets fuel consumption to zero, then would a viable workaround during a race affected by the bug be to reach a point where fuel is low (and you might run out of fuel), mid-session save, restart the race and then load said save? Might at least allow you to finish the race.
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If I remember right, the new 2018 season of F1 allows the cars to load up to 130kg of fuel each race. This is not possible yet in the game. Means that the fuel consumption in the game should be equal to the real F1 cars, but the possible load is not available, leading to be unable to finish 100% races. I got the game pretty late so it did the 1.04 Update while I was doing my first race and I had plenty of fuel. After I needed to pause the game, the Update installed and when I got to resume the Australia race, several bugs happened due to the update itself presumably, so I didn't actually care about being switched with my teammate who got my 6th place and I officialy being out with an engine failure and the returning of died casrs on the trac causing yellow flags and not diappearing, but I actually got surprised that my remaining fuel got from pre-pausing +1.25 laps of fuel to -2.5 laps of fuel after loading. Now, 1 week later, I wanted to do the second race and discovered that I can load only for 46 laps instead of the needed 57 laps. So, dear codemasters guys, please patch that issue...
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mantazzo

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HSVFAN1997GTR said:
If I remember right, the new 2018 season of F1 allows the cars to load up to 130kg of fuel each race. This is not possible yet in the game. Means that the fuel consumption in the game should be equal to the real F1 cars, but the possible load is not available, leading to be unable to finish 100% races. I got the game pretty late so it did the 1.04 Update while I was doing my first race and I had plenty of fuel. After I needed to pause the game, the Update installed and when I got to resume the Australia race, several bugs happened due to the update itself presumably, so I didn't actually care about being switched with my teammate who got my 6th place and I officialy being out with an engine failure and the returning of died casrs on the trac causing yellow flags and not diappearing, but I actually got surprised that my remaining fuel got from pre-pausing +1.25 laps of fuel to -2.5 laps of fuel after loading. Now, 1 week later, I wanted to do the second race and discovered that I can load only for 46 laps instead of the needed 57 laps. So, dear codemasters guys, please patch that issue...
The maximum is 105kg which is equal to roughly 140 liters (not 130kg). I think it is pretty obvious that the fuel rates are bugged, especially if you restarted ANY session. If you restart, your save is broken for the rest of the game as it seems from the posts in this topic. The only way for now is to just prevent restarting sessions and just flashbacking when needed.
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EnsiFerrum

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Tip for everyone for every iteration of F1-20xx:
http://www.gamesave-manager.com/  
Install it and save in career everytime you're in the DateCenter between the sessions and at the very beginning of every training and quali.
Put every save in it's own folder.
If the bug catches you, you might load the save from P1 and don't need to do the whole career from the start up.

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VDV23

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What a stupid bug. I cannot believe this got through testing pre-release. And it's perfectly reproducible as well.

1. Start FP session
2. Restart session
3. But Race strategy programme. Upon completing the test and going back to the garage -> Go to the Race strategy programme -> For fuel usage you'll have some kind of error code.
4. Now your game thinks you are fuel saving god 
5. Go to race and cry because you cannot put enough fuel in your car.

I guess that would only make it unplayable for 50%+ race distance? I'm doing 100% and I cannot start the race with more than ~70 kg of fuel. Which by the way, makes the game think that I'm starting with +24 laps of fuel LOL. Obviously the fuel is going down so quickly that after completing 15 laps I was down to +8 laps of fuel and most of them were in lean. So that race is a write off. I guess my only option is to simulate it. And I've literally turned more than 90 laps today in Baku so I can get used to the track and to figure out a setup. What a waste of time. 
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NikolaLegcevic

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So... fuel consumption... I started a career race in Monaco (Williams, 75%, season 1), and I fuel up for 80 laps. The fuel counter started dropping like it does in FP or Q - the number that is shows is the actual amount of fuel you have. I was burning through LOADS of fuel, and half-way through the race, my car goes into Low Fuel Mode, killing my race on the way to podium (possibly even a win?). Needless to say, I am a tad upset... I restarted the race about 10 times, with the same results, and even going with maximum fuel load. This HAS to be a bug...
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JonAndrade

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Estou enfrentando o mesmo problema, estava na Sauber e iniciei os GPs da China e Baku com -3 voltas de combustível, desanimei de jogar, e outra carreira na STR, e pra minha surpresa, iniciei a corrida da Austrália com -13 voltas de combustível . Isso é desanimador, comprar o jogo na pré-venda para este tipo de erro que te impossibilita de jogar
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IndyJonesJnr

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I think I've just encountered a similar problem. I'm on Xbox One and just started the Australia GP (50% race) in the career mode Mclaren with +1.2 laps of fuel. Stayed on standard mix for the first lap and lost most of it. All of lap 2 I spent in lean mix and by the start of lap 3 I was -0.10 of fuel. Yes, that's right - I'm losing fuel in lean mix for crying out loud. and obviously won't be able to get to the end of the race even in staying in lean the whole time.

I haven't tested any other modes yet but this is game-breaking as I can't continue the career until this is fixed. I haven't and can't be bothered to do the math to see how much I would have to overfill the car to get to the end on lean mix, this needs to be sorted asap; There's 7 pages on this, geeez. And yes I did the practice programs; both the fuel saving and race strategy I completed purple.


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FRACTURED

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I've lost fuel in the pits on the limiter in lean with ERS 0 whilst pitting. I'll just laugh it off as a feature of not having invested in my engine yet.

Still 18 days in which I can refund it. Wonder if Xbox will get another patch in that time frame if 1.05 has only just dropped :neutral:

 
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Bit of an update: I started a few 50% races in Grand Prix mode earlier and it did not happen. The fuel stayed as expected in standard mode, so it looks to be only in career mode. I again tried to do the first race in career straight after, starting with +1.5 laps of fuel. By the end of the first lap on standard the whole time I had lost  almost 1 lap of it. Ridiculous.
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Another update: I reset career and started again, same car and race distance(50%) but didn't do any of the practice programs and skipped to the race. The fuel bug didn't appear and the level remained the same on standard mix and increased slowly on lean mix, as you would expect. As noted previously there seems to be something around the practice programs that triggers the bug. 

I've since reset the career again and started a new career and have done all the practice programs except the race strategy, as I read that someone on here did the same and the bug did not show up in the race. Again I'm pretty disappointed that there has been no response on this thread from admin/codemasters regarding what's being done about this bug.
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Alastre

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Tried to read the Whole thread but it's kinda of hard work...not sure what happend, but for the firse time I've been plagued by this bug...Canada, Career, 100% race...filling the Whole tank left me with -13,5 laps of fuel at the start...exaclty (except swearing) what are my options??? Tried to reload the save for about 20 times and nothing happend...if I start the race...does my car REALLY need 13,5 laps of extra fuel? I mean it's pointless even to start the race at this point...:(
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haasgaetano79

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If you use full traction control and auto gears you burn more fuel...i stopped using my wheel and started playing on the pad so i turned on auto gears and full tc.....burned way way to much fuel...had to run in lean at least half of a 100%race....once i turned off the traction control..fuel consumption is pretty much normal..auto gears still burns more fuel then manual for me 
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Makani92

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haasgaetano79 said:
If you use full traction control and auto gears you burn more fuel...i stopped using my wheel and started playing on the pad so i turned on auto gears and full tc.....burned way way to much fuel...had to run in lean at least half of a 100%race....once i turned off the traction control..fuel consumption is pretty much normal..auto gears still burns more fuel then manual for me 
Nothing to do with this issue, its a bug
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jarratt2007

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I’m still having fuel problems.
on career 100% distance.
With the fuel tank primed at 105kg it’s always never enough for the race by a long way.
Just drove a  Singapore race and had to start with minus 14.7 laps of fuel.
now Russia and it’s nearly as bad, 105 kg is showing 43.2 laps of fuel for a 53 lap race.
Since I started career it done it about 1 in 3 races but now it’s every time.
So I have to run most the race in lean to get it back into positive fuel load.
And the fuel mixture is the other strange thing.
As we know, lean gains you fuel, normal is pretty  neutral, and rich burns more.
But on the races this problem occurs at what happens is rich is normal burn, normal is lean burn, and lean is extra lean burn.
Very odd....... but by putting it in this extra lean mode I can make back 14 laps of fuel after about 3/4 race distance.
Any ideas how to solve this please?
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jarratt2007

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So now on lap 21 in Russia.
Managed to claw back nearly half of the 10 lap fuel  deficit I had to start with, went in for a pit stop and  emerged with plus 1.6 laps of fuel rather than the minus 5 I went into the pits with.
Didnt know refuelling was reintroduced to F1 in 2018 lol
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atc4ksaw

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I was having this issue as well.

If the game computes fuel usage during the test, out of curiosity, if you test with the default, low fuel quantity that the team sends you out to practice with, won't the car use less fuel and give the team a false fuel usage number to do the calculations with?

Off to Test...
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