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Impossible to keep up with the AI race pace solely due to high tyre inner carcass temperatures.

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@1512marcel

think driving style and setup has a lot to do with it I’m on the wheel and my tyres were cooked after 6 laps on COTA but I changed my setup added more frontwing and reduced ballast (was using a TT setup) also tried to minimize steering input through the esses and tyres were fine. 

Think i I was able to do 20 laps or so on the softs and only had 40-50% wear by end of race

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 for anyone saying I should lower the AI then: I could do that but since you cannot change difficulties between sessions anymore

1.06 changed this, you can charge difficulty between sessions now.

Ah okay. I haven't been updating it to 1.06 yet. Then forget I said anything.

If the AI actually suffered from this overheating as well, there would be no need to change difficulties as they'd have to adapt their pace, too. But I don't know if such thing is realizable in the game. Would be nice, though.

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Thanks mate, now I definitly don't have to go through all related posts :)  Anyway, I was already under the impression that you can't race with a TT setup. This was in most cases the same in 2017 but with the focus on tyre wear in 2018 it will be even harder to get away with a TT setup. I guess a lot of all trouble concerning this issue is based upon users trying to race with a TT setup. But that's an assumption.

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I have done some testing and this is what the results offered to me.

Understeery setups are the way to go to cool down the tyres imho, sadly you will lose a bit of time, around 1 - 4 tenths, but that is alright in a longer race as you have to choose when to push and when to cruise.

I usually push only for around 10% - 30% of the race, play with no assists, on both the pad and the wheel, and do 100% races for the most part at 108 - 110 AI difficulty.

One thing that came across my observations whilst grinding the game is that the AI seem to be heavily scripted in the way that their tyre wear and tyre temperatures don't seem to be affected as much as from the player and that their laptimes seem to be rather fixed upon specific deltas instead of being dynamic to represent what the player experiences, in other words the AI doesn't seem to be driving in a realistic way at all but is simulated to do xx amount of laps on certain tyres whilst having specific xx amount of wear and temps which is a tragedy that can be seen as gamebreaking to some, or maybe if we bend the matter of logic to create a different angle to this topic the AI is programmed to be perfect, lel.

Either way, the AI possibly need to be fixed to be driving in a realistic manner so that they also only do push for around 10% - 30% of the race and cruise for the rest in a dynamic manner.

Also, why don't we have separate AI pace and AI aggressiveness sliders in 2018?

It's a shame to not have a split slider option to adjust the AI the way we want them to be.

PS: To those that probably will jump on the ship of "but i do race online and can't compete anymore", finally Codemasters are trying to go into the depths of simracing and are giving us features that we have beem asking for since 2010 but some people want to go backwards instead?

Also to those that might spite their excuse of not being able to get a wheel, it surely doesn't make a individual have to break into a bank to get a decent wheel these days, 100 bucks is a great starting point.

My advice for teenagers, students and children:

Do some part time jobs, or become freelancers in art / music / animation / programming / handywork / carpenting / engineering / hunting / fishing etc. to both learn valuable skills that can come in handy as you grow up and earn a little bit of cash as well as a nice byproduct to be able to buy yourself a decent wheel.

My advice for adults:

You should already be working by now and or are a college student, either way there is no excuse for you to not save up a little bit of money, eg. 10 bucks - 20 bucks per month, til you can buy yourself a decent wheel.

Space ain't a issue as well, a wheel isn't as big as a cupboard and hence can be used in almost any household if you are creative enough to use anything possible to your advantage and or are good with finances to buy yourself a (folding) wheelstand, i personally use a cheap folding table if i'm driving on the PS4 / XBone and use my solid metal desk if i'm on the PC, never had any issues with space. 

At the end of the day it all comes down to perspective and whether or not we do dedicate some more time and effort to our hobby, but to each their own.

There really are some cretins on here with no actual understanding of how the real world or life in general works.

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I have done some testing and this is what the results offered to me.

Understeery setups are the way to go to cool down the tyres imho, sadly you will lose a bit of time, around 1 - 4 tenths, but that is alright in a longer race as you have to choose when to push and when to cruise.

I usually push only for around 10% - 30% of the race, play with no assists, on both the pad and the wheel, and do 100% races for the most part at 108 - 110 AI difficulty.

One thing that came across my observations whilst grinding the game is that the AI seem to be heavily scripted in the way that their tyre wear and tyre temperatures don't seem to be affected as much as from the player and that their laptimes seem to be rather fixed upon specific deltas instead of being dynamic to represent what the player experiences, in other words the AI doesn't seem to be driving in a realistic way at all but is simulated to do xx amount of laps on certain tyres whilst having specific xx amount of wear and temps which is a tragedy that can be seen as gamebreaking to some, or maybe if we bend the matter of logic to create a different angle to this topic the AI is programmed to be perfect, lel.

Either way, the AI possibly need to be fixed to be driving in a realistic manner so that they also only do push for around 10% - 30% of the race and cruise for the rest in a dynamic manner.

Also, why don't we have separate AI pace and AI aggressiveness sliders in 2018?

It's a shame to not have a split slider option to adjust the AI the way we want them to be.

PS: To those that probably will jump on the ship of "but i do race online and can't compete anymore", finally Codemasters are trying to go into the depths of simracing and are giving us features that we have beem asking for since 2010 but some people want to go backwards instead?

Also to those that might spite their excuse of not being able to get a wheel, it surely doesn't make a individual have to break into a bank to get a decent wheel these days, 100 bucks is a great starting point.

My advice for teenagers, students and children:

Do some part time jobs, or become freelancers in art / music / animation / programming / handywork / carpenting / engineering / hunting / fishing etc. to both learn valuable skills that can come in handy as you grow up and earn a little bit of cash as well as a nice byproduct to be able to buy yourself a decent wheel.

My advice for adults:

You should already be working by now and or are a college student, either way there is no excuse for you to not save up a little bit of money, eg. 10 bucks - 20 bucks per month, til you can buy yourself a decent wheel.

Space ain't a issue as well, a wheel isn't as big as a cupboard and hence can be used in almost any household if you are creative enough to use anything possible to your advantage and or are good with finances to buy yourself a (folding) wheelstand, i personally use a cheap folding table if i'm driving on the PS4 / XBone and use my solid metal desk if i'm on the PC, never had any issues with space. 

At the end of the day it all comes down to perspective and whether or not we do dedicate some more time and effort to our hobby, but to each their own.
Lol thanks for the advice on how to "Adult" I needed that laugh.

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Zachrulez said:
 for anyone saying I should lower the AI then: I could do that but since you cannot change difficulties between sessions anymore

1.06 changed this, you can charge difficulty between sessions now.

If you're at a point where you have to drastically change difficulties between qualifying and the race because the difficulty is so out of line there is something seriously wrong. No matter how much you deny it there is.

(I'm not even advocating the system as it exists be removed, more just added too with more options.)
I was simply stating you could change difficulty between sessions, for an individual who didn't know it was now an option.

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@speeddemon8021

There are some people here who can't stay civil nor give any constructive criticism or at least some proper feedback or evidence that can be used to understand the problem they apparently are experiencing but rather are totally obnoxious towards their fella members and unnecessarily beat around the bush for no reason.

Your problem seems to be ego, as you refuse to accept that Codemasters are trying to promote a harder challenge for once, hell, you prefer to use a pad over a wheel.....


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@Lewis44TheWin

It seems as if the playerbase of Codies F1 franchise mostly consists of people aged 6 - 30, so of course they usually have either no money or not enough and hence can't or won't buy a wheel even though the experience is infinitely better to a pad, but there are many opportunities to generate cash these days especially with a little help of the almighty Internet, also that "advice" was not meant for people that are financially secure, but still i am glad that you had a laugh, lel. :)

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@Lewis44TheWin

... even though the experience is infinitely better to a pad... 

I dunno about infinitely. I don't really enjoy the wheel as much as on other games. It's still missing something. 

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@FRACTURED

>I dunno about infinitely. I don't really enjoy the wheel as much as on other games. It's still missing something. 

Indeed, Codies ffb, physics and handling itself is still a bit off compared to other racing games / sims of their (direct) competition, but if one buys a wheel it's generally considered to be a universal investment that can be used for all kinds of racing or driving software and not to mention it's the proper way to play them tbh, but to each their own.





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@speeddemon8021

There are some people here who can't stay civil nor give any constructive criticism or at least some proper feedback or evidence that can be used to understand the problem they apparently are experiencing but rather are totally obnoxious towards their fella members and unnecessarily beat around the bush for no reason.

Your problem seems to be ego, as you refuse to accept that Codemasters are trying to promote a harder challenge for once, hell, you prefer to use a pad over a wheel.....


I Also prefer the pad to a wheel.....  

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I have done some testing and this is what the results offered to me.


My advice for adults:

You should already be working by now and or are a college student, either way there is no excuse for you to not save up a little bit of money, eg. 10 bucks - 20 bucks per month, til you can buy yourself a decent wheel.

Space ain't a issue as well, a wheel isn't as big as a cupboard and hence can be used in almost any household if you are creative enough to use anything possible to your advantage and or are good with finances to buy yourself a (folding) wheelstand, i personally use a cheap folding table if i'm driving on the PS4 / XBone and use my solid metal desk if i'm on the PC, never had any issues with space. 

At the end of the day it all comes down to perspective and whether or not we do dedicate some more time and effort to our hobby, but to each their own.
LOL, pay up or shut up advise for the adults. I love it. 

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Tyre temps/wear is perfect this year and if anything should be increased as there's minimal wear at most tracks. You shouldn't be doing quali laps to keep up with the AI, of course you'll overheat the tyres that way. Learn to drive smother and be more kind to the tyres and still be fast or drop the AI level. There's nothing wrong with the game, it's how it's played.

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You have to do quali laps to keep up with them. If you race with a pad.
Drop the AI difficulty then, buy a wheel or get better. Don't complain something that isn't actually an issue.

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It is a issue! For almost every pad driver. Why should i or someone else drop the ai difficulty level because of this? Monaco and Singapore for controlling the tires temps they drop 10 sec of race pace in real. That's perfect then pad drivers can control the temps to. In the game the AI are driving simulation race. Not even own setups etc. So yeah this is a issue.

Or a you so rich @mattplev ? Then buy me a fanatec elite for ps4 and a race seat;)

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Lowering the AI difficulty doesn't even solve the overheating problems. It just weakens the AI to compensate, but because you're compensating for your drop in pace you'll actually be dominant early in a race stint. (Before the temperatures are a problem.) It's not really a solution.

Telling people to get better is a pretty flippant suggestion as well because it's not skill that's the problem it's the method of control being impossible to manage on a couple of certain tracks.

Telling people to buy a wheel pretends that people don't have issues preventing them from getting one... whether financial or logistical... ect.

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@speeddemon8021

There are some people here who can't stay civil nor give any constructive criticism or at least some proper feedback or evidence that can be used to understand the problem they apparently are experiencing but rather are totally obnoxious towards their fella members and unnecessarily beat around the bush for no reason.

Your problem seems to be ego, as you refuse to accept that Codemasters are trying to promote a harder challenge for once, hell, you prefer to use a pad over a wheel.....


Challenge hard = fine I’m all for that

challenge impossible = no thanks

i could drive around in 2nd gear and would still see twice as much tyre wear and rise of tyre temperature as a wheel guy on the few given tracks! How can that possibly be right?? If I was on the wheel I wouldn’t even want to win knowing that I only did so because I had a huge advantage given to me by a fault of the game.

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With the lowest tyre pressure and the chassis upgrade "heat dispersing wheel rims" every tyre wear upgrade. Still not to do. So yes now I have to put down mine AI level.... This is in Singapore

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...it's the proper way to play them tbh, but to each their own...
For me the proper way to play them, is to not be a complete scumbag who sets out to either cheat their way to wins, or just mash people off track. Other than that I honestly don't care. A lot of my "assists hate" is down to how the game used to work autospins. IE No assists, spun off everytime such a situation arises. Assists on, Tank like, autospin the no assisters.

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It is a issue! For almost every pad driver. Why should i or someone else drop the ai difficulty level because of this? Monaco and Singapore for controlling the tires temps they drop 10 sec of race pace in real. That's perfect then pad drivers can control the temps to. In the game the AI are driving simulation race. Not even own setups etc. So yeah this is a issue.

Or a you so rich @mattplev ? Then buy me a fanatec elite for ps4 and a race seat;)
Ah I remember the days that Mercedes were trying to improve and they had Schu and Roseberg scoring some great qualifying positions but because of a fundamental difference in the car they were over heating the tyres in the races.  Do you know what they did?  They changed set up, they designed the car differently and the drivers had to drive differently to try and score some points.  Now pad users or anyone else struggling with this issue in game have a similar dilemma... but you can change your opponents to be a better pace in the race (an option they didn’t have).  You too can change set up, you can design the car differently (R+D) and you can change the way you drive however you want other people to change.  I think that is the issue with the world nowadays why should we change everything else should change around us. Please can we Stop the planet I want off.

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Acerees said:
It is a issue! For almost every pad driver. Why should i or someone else drop the ai difficulty level because of this? Monaco and Singapore for controlling the tires temps they drop 10 sec of race pace in real. That's perfect then pad drivers can control the temps to. In the game the AI are driving simulation race. Not even own setups etc. So yeah this is a issue.

Or a you so rich @mattplev ? Then buy me a fanatec elite for ps4 and a race seat;)
Ah I remember the days that Mercedes were trying to improve and they had Schu and Roseberg scoring some great qualifying positions but because of a fundamental difference in the car they were over heating the tyres in the races.  Do you know what they did?  They changed set up, they designed the car differently and the drivers had to drive differently to try and score some points.  Now pad users or anyone else struggling with this issue in game have a similar dilemma... but you can change your opponents to be a better pace in the race (an option they didn’t have).  You too can change set up, you can design the car differently (R+D) and you can change the way you drive however you want other people to change.  I think that is the issue with the world nowadays why should we change everything else should change around us. Please can we Stop the planet I want off.
Hella lols. I thought you were for suggesting design a new pad. 

Just to point out "change" can work both ways

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FRACTURED said:
Acerees said:
It is a issue! For almost every pad driver. Why should i or someone else drop the ai difficulty level because of this? Monaco and Singapore for controlling the tires temps they drop 10 sec of race pace in real. That's perfect then pad drivers can control the temps to. In the game the AI are driving simulation race. Not even own setups etc. So yeah this is a issue.

Or a you so rich @mattplev ? Then buy me a fanatec elite for ps4 and a race seat;)
Ah I remember the days that Mercedes were trying to improve and they had Schu and Roseberg scoring some great qualifying positions but because of a fundamental difference in the car they were over heating the tyres in the races.  Do you know what they did?  They changed set up, they designed the car differently and the drivers had to drive differently to try and score some points.  Now pad users or anyone else struggling with this issue in game have a similar dilemma... but you can change your opponents to be a better pace in the race (an option they didn’t have).  You too can change set up, you can design the car differently (R+D) and you can change the way you drive however you want other people to change.  I think that is the issue with the world nowadays why should we change everything else should change around us. Please can we Stop the planet I want off.
Hella lols. I thought you were for suggesting design a new pad. 

Just to point out "change" can work both ways
I will point out that in certain instances change needs to work two ways.  However when something only affects some and not others generally it is the demographic that demands change is the demographic that should probably do some of the change first.   Codies possibly could offer a slider bar for pad sensitivity.  However people who turn down the slider make the of less responsive would not be as quick over one lap and claim that is unfair.  Some people will refuse to alter the slider and will say that is unfair.  A select few will slide the bar up for qualifying and down for the race and balance the car in both sessions and then SOME wheel users will say its unfair.  

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Lol.... Setup change won't work. Every chassis update for tyre wear don't work for tire temps. Try enough to solve it first before i came here.
It is pad problem so yeah that's is a issue

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