Impossible to keep up with the AI race pace solely due to high tyre inner carcass temperatures.

[sanderu1983 18]

If you read mine post @Barrikada71 then you read that Lee Mather is saying that there is a issue and codemasters is working on it. It is in his Twitter account.

I'm totally done with people like you. You ain't helping or making or better. I think you will never ever see a real issue or problem like ever.

No video with proof? Search for TRL Limitelles (I hope that is the correct name) he explain it good why and how it happens. If you don't know who he is.. then you don't follow formula 1..

Bye

[Barrikada71 1]

jonbekowsky4 said:

@Zachrulez

I have tried driving with the D-Pad, the same way like you said you do, and the tyre temperatures skyrocketed on many tracks like Italy, Singapore, Hungary, Japan, Brazil, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Monaco, Russia, Germany and Spain in a exaggerated fashion, the same happened on PC on my keyboard too.

My question to you is why don't you try to use the left stick of your pad to have a easier time playing the game?

Buttons obviously will never be as precise as a stick, and a pad will never be as precise as a wheel, that is the unfortunate truth.

I really hope that CM will leave the tyre simulation the way it is, but are going to give us a assist option to disable tyre simulation in offline mode and standard online mode for people that struggle, and to have it forcefully build into ranked online mode where it can not be disabled at all else there is no point to compete against each other.

That would be a good option. I do not run offline, I only run online championships nationwide. While online does not touch anything for me there is no problem.

[Barrikada71 1]

sanderu1983 said:

If you read mine post @Barrikada71 then you read that Lee Mather is saying that there is a issue and codemasters is working on it. It is in his Twitter account.

I'm totally done with people like you. You ain't helping or making or better. I think you will never ever see a real issue or problem like ever.

No video with proof? Search for TRL Limitelles (I hope that is the correct name) he explain it good why and how it happens. If you don't know who he is.. then you don't follow formula 1..

Bye

I do not have to enter any twitter account. You are sure that they will change it? Im glad for you. When the new patch comes out if there is a new patch, we will talk about it. And learn how reports are made by failures, just go to the new discussion that I have opened with fuel problems. A greeting.

[Turtlemoose 75]

Barrikada71 said:

sanderu1983 said:

If you read mine post @Barrikada71 then you read that Lee Mather is saying that there is a issue and codemasters is working on it. It is in his Twitter account.

I'm totally done with people like you. You ain't helping or making or better. I think you will never ever see a real issue or problem like ever.

No video with proof? Search for TRL Limitelles (I hope that is the correct name) he explain it good why and how it happens. If you don't know who he is.. then you don't follow formula 1..

Bye

I do not have to enter any twitter account. You are sure that they will change it? Im glad for you. When the new patch comes out if there is a new patch, we will talk about it. And learn how reports are made by failures, just go to the new discussion that I have opened with fuel problems. A greeting.

Then I suggest you learn how to report failures - there is no rule that says you have to post a video - you are not Judge & Jury

[FRACTURED 30]

Barrikada71 said:

 I will not pay attention to this issue as it is clear that no proof of what they say is provided. A greeting.

I'm sure many have video available should Codemasters wish to see it. Sounds more like some deniers and 50 AI racers want to 'debunk' some video's regardless if there is a problem.

[Worntoathread 865]

FRACTURED said:

Barrikada71 said:

 I will not pay attention to this issue as it is clear that no proof of what they say is provided. A greeting.

I'm sure many have video available should Codemasters wish to see it. Sounds more like some deniers and 50 AI racers want to 'debunk' some video's regardless if there is a problem.

@FRACTURED Can I ask what AI level and setup/ballast you're using, and what temps you're getting around what lap nr. around Singapore?

[sanderu1983 18]

Worntoathread said:

FRACTURED said:

Barrikada71 said:

 I will not pay attention to this issue as it is clear that no proof of what they say is provided. A greeting.

I'm sure many have video available should Codemasters wish to see it. Sounds more like some deniers and 50 AI racers want to 'debunk' some video's regardless if there is a problem.

@FRACTURED Can I ask what AI level and setup/ballast you're using, and what temps you're getting around what lap nr. around Singapore?

Why because it won't matter. With a pad still overheating. Just waiting on the patch from CM.

[Worntoathread 865]

sanderu1983 said:

Worntoathread said:

FRACTURED said:

Barrikada71 said:

 I will not pay attention to this issue as it is clear that no proof of what they say is provided. A greeting.

I'm sure many have video available should Codemasters wish to see it. Sounds more like some deniers and 50 AI racers want to 'debunk' some video's regardless if there is a problem.

@FRACTURED Can I ask what AI level and setup/ballast you're using, and what temps you're getting around what lap nr. around Singapore?

Why because it won't matter. With a pad still overheating. Just waiting on the patch from CM.

I'd just like to compare, because I still think it's possible to improve(even if it's way too difficult) and I'd like to know how my experience/results compares with others. Personally I'm now at a point where I can drive Singapore at 100+ AI pace without overheating the Hypers over a long stint, a couple of weeks ago and with different setups I thought that was impossible with a pad.

[FRACTURED 30]

Worntoathread said:

sanderu1983 said:

Worntoathread said:

FRACTURED said:

Barrikada71 said:

 I will not pay attention to this issue as it is clear that no proof of what they say is provided. A greeting.

I'm sure many have video available should Codemasters wish to see it. Sounds more like some deniers and 50 AI racers want to 'debunk' some video's regardless if there is a problem.

@FRACTURED Can I ask what AI level and setup/ballast you're using, and what temps you're getting around what lap nr. around Singapore?

Why because it won't matter. With a pad still overheating. Just waiting on the patch from CM.

I'd just like to compare, because I still think it's possible to improve(even if it's way too difficult) and I'd like to know how my experience/results compares with others. Personally I'm now at a point where I can drive Singapore at 100+ AI pace without overheating the Hypers over a long stint, a couple of weeks ago and with different setups I thought that was impossible with a pad.

Off top of head at end of this, but can confirm later. Braking seems to be the big Heatsink for me. I ran Australia with 59 pressure 54 balance and it was wonderful for limiting possibility of lockups. Lockups flashfry the tyres so that's what I'm tuning out of my setups next. Ran supersoft (max 103) then soft (max 102)

Singapore
Wing 7/9
Suspension 1/3 stiffness, 1/5 ARB, 3/5 height.
Diff on 79, Diff off 74
Min camber and toe (Whatever the TT default seems to be. Might dial some camber back on and test that) 
Brakes 79 pressure 54 bias (pressure will be reduced to around 59 if I can cut out more of the heating under braking that should help reduce surface temps before entry...) 
Ballast 7

AI was much lower than usual, in 70s I think running mid 40s at the start. And low 40s toward the end. 1.38 or 1.39 in qually. Have notes so will take a look later. 

[tarrantino 120]

Worntoathread said:

sanderu1983 said:

Worntoathread said:

FRACTURED said:

Barrikada71 said:

 I will not pay attention to this issue as it is clear that no proof of what they say is provided. A greeting.

I'm sure many have video available should Codemasters wish to see it. Sounds more like some deniers and 50 AI racers want to 'debunk' some video's regardless if there is a problem.

@FRACTURED Can I ask what AI level and setup/ballast you're using, and what temps you're getting around what lap nr. around Singapore?

Why because it won't matter. With a pad still overheating. Just waiting on the patch from CM.

I'd just like to compare, because I still think it's possible to improve(even if it's way too difficult) and I'd like to know how my experience/results compares with others. Personally I'm now at a point where I can drive Singapore at 100+ AI pace without overheating the Hypers over a long stint, a couple of weeks ago and with different setups I thought that was impossible with a pad.

Great to hear. 

[Turtlemoose 75]

I've played around with the differential settings so many times and still can't work out where it benefits me or not!

[Barrikada71 1]

FRACTURED said:

Worntoathread said:

sanderu1983 said:

Worntoathread said:

FRACTURED said:

Barrikada71 said:

 I will not pay attention to this issue as it is clear that no proof of what they say is provided. A greeting.

I'm sure many have video available should Codemasters wish to see it. Sounds more like some deniers and 50 AI racers want to 'debunk' some video's regardless if there is a problem.

@FRACTURED Can I ask what AI level and setup/ballast you're using, and what temps you're getting around what lap nr. around Singapore?

Why because it won't matter. With a pad still overheating. Just waiting on the patch from CM.

I'd just like to compare, because I still think it's possible to improve(even if it's way too difficult) and I'd like to know how my experience/results compares with others. Personally I'm now at a point where I can drive Singapore at 100+ AI pace without overheating the Hypers over a long stint, a couple of weeks ago and with different setups I thought that was impossible with a pad.

Off top of head at end of this, but can confirm later. Braking seems to be the big Heatsink for me. I ran Australia with 59 pressure 54 balance and it was wonderful for limiting possibility of lockups. Lockups flashfry the tyres so that's what I'm tuning out of my setups next. Ran supersoft (max 103) then soft (max 102)

Singapore
Wing 7/9
Suspension 1/3 stiffness, 1/5 ARB, 3/5 height.
Diff on 79, Diff off 74
Min camber and toe (Whatever the TT default seems to be. Might dial some camber back on and test that) 
Brakes 79 pressure 54 bias (pressure will be reduced to around 59 if I can cut out more of the heating under braking that should help reduce surface temps before entry...) 
Ballast 7

AI was much lower than usual, in 70s I think running mid 40s at the start. And low 40s toward the end. 1.38 or 1.39 in qually. Have notes so will take a look later. 

I'm glad you put that data in, because by looking at it, you know exactly why the tires overheat. I've done setups all my life, I never notice the YouTube or Time Trial setups, since 95% of them do not work for long races. That setup that you put is extremely aggressive with the temperatures and there is a parameter that triggers those temperatures. I would have no problem telling people like you, but I will not make it public due to the lack of respect of some people in this thread. They have shown about me. That's why there are people who do not want to show data of anything, now I explain everything. Good luck to everyone with your patch.

[Barrikada71 1]

And I say the same thing again there are people like me who do not mind helping if we really can but without data it is very difficult or impossible to do so. Thanks to the data provided by the partner could overheat something and I think that is one of the few who have contributed something. I am not going to discuss any more with anyone, I offered my help and you have not wanted it. I hope you get lucky and your problem is fixed, I for one have finished my conversations in this thread, I do not want to bother anymore. Greetings to all.

[Turtlemoose 75]

Please tell us a setup to prevent front tyres over heating - we really need your help @Barrikada71 please don't go 

[Zachrulez 51]

jonbekowsky4 said:

@Zachrulez

I have tried driving with the D-Pad, the same way like you said you do, and the tyre temperatures skyrocketed on many tracks like Italy, Singapore, Hungary, Japan, Brazil, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Monaco, Russia, Germany and Spain in a exaggerated fashion, the same happened on PC on my keyboard too.

My question to you is why don't you try to use the left stick of your pad to have a easier time playing the game?

Buttons obviously will never be as precise as a stick, and a pad will never be as precise as a wheel, that is the unfortunate truth.

I really hope that CM will leave the tyre simulation the way it is, but are going to give us a assist option to disable tyre simulation in offline mode and standard online mode for people that struggle, and to have it forcefully build into ranked online mode where it can not be disabled at all else there is no point to compete against each other.

My question to you is why should I have to learn how to control the car in a way that is different to the way I have learned how to?

I learned racing games in an era where analog sticks didn't exist. Why should I now be expected to take ages to learn how to drive with a stick nearly as well as I do on a d-pad?

[FRACTURED 30]

Barrikada71 said:

I'm glad you put that data in, because by looking at it, you know exactly why the tires overheat.

I actually don't know.

Or @Barrikada71, do you mean that you can see from my setup that I have tried to dial out the tyre heating as much as possible?  :D
I would agree with that. Sorry its a bit lost in translation I guess!

I've put 15 linearity on the stick. I butchered my newest standard xbox pad just to fit the really long Elite stick. I run no assists (although I believe the pad has some secret TCS I can feel when taking control from AI!!)

I'm doing all the things I can. Yes, some may like a video but honestly, I don't want to post videos of what I've done to deliberately melt a Tyre to watch how it cools down, as people will take it as being evidence of how I drive lol
I'll see what I can do later and maybe record a stint in two 5 minutes halfs and splice onto Xbox Live. 

I'm not here asking Codies to change something, just because I don't like it. I think its fricking awesome to be honest, so I want it to work SIMILARLY for everyone rather than hurting some pad users (assuming those who do manage to drive around are able to run around 100 AI pace like Worn).

Or maybe they can balance it out by having the wheel users unable to heat the tyres and have them crash and slide and lockup everywhere due to cold tyres**



**please note the prior comment was in jest.

[Nastra100 14]

What I do not get for those criticising and saying it is the driving style is that you can use a time trial setup and drive as aggressive as you want with a wheel but not have any tyre heating issues. In fact with a wheel you are fighting to get the tyres up to any sort of heat (this is worse after a safety car)

With a pad though, you have to do all sorts of management and reducing the AI etc. 

[BluRacer7 20]

This right here I wanna show you, Brazilian GP, currently in a 100% fully R&D upgraded McLaren and I'm on a 1 stop for the Mediums and at the time I'm fully aware of the Tyre Temp Carcass is complete wack so I tried to be gentle on corners, easing the throttle and stay on the racing line while at the same time trying to push cause I'm on 103 A.I difficulty and look here no matter how easy I was with the Tyres and I have little vibration on my controller it still overheating and I'm 5 laps away from my pitstop window and I can't afford to pit early otherwise the process of this will start again when I go to Medium, and ironic my engineer say tyres are on good conditions when on screen it's not. I never had these issues before the 1.05 patch when all this debacle started.

I tried messing with the Front Brake Bias and Differential while on track to see if i could try countering it somehow, I try increase the Differential to increase grip to stop them overheating but that didn't work and now I'm starting to slip and slide since my front right tyres is not in my control anymore plus I can't go any slower cause the rest of the A.I are catching me and they don't suffer tyre wear at all the way I'm suffering. And no lowering the A.I difficulty won't solve that cause I refuse to baby it down, I want to fight them at their high level but these Inner Carcass temperatures are making some races on certain tracks unplayable to drive on.

[Zachrulez 51]

Yeah my carcass temperatures were actually worse at Britain in the 2nd season with a more upgraded car. I think the problem is that the straights do most of the cooling of the tyres when you're on a controller and when you're faster on the straights you spend less time on the straights cooling them.

[BluRacer7 20]

This thread is now has the most traffic in F1 2018 forums, that screams a major problem, and I can't believe people are doing their best to prevent Codies from fixing saying it's fine when it wasn't, the Tyre Temps overheat way too fast and it has to be fix to what it was before patch 1.05, this right now is a bug and no matter how gentle you drive and no matter how much you ease the throttle and you turn lightly through corners they still overheat too quickly, this makes Pit Stop strategies extremely limited, you wanna try push up the pace and try the over-cut? Well good luck with that.

[SingaporeTrackLizard 100]

Is it me or do certain cars overheat tyres faster than others? The Torro Rosso seems to be worse than the Sauber from my testing. 

[Zachrulez 51]

Chassis does factor in. I think it's worth a few degrees here or there.

[FRACTURED 30]

I've mostly just played career, so not sure on the different teams. I feel like a few races, after pausing for a minute to deal with something, the tyres are cooling faster after coming back off pause.

I think I'm going cuckoo  :p

[RicciRocket 0]

Barrikada71 said:

1. You're right, it's very boring to read 600 times the same thing.
2. I would like you to post videos that comment on YouTube here since I do not find any.
3. One thing is what people say, another thing what they do.

Thanks, I look forward to those YouTube links.

I think 30+ pages of different accounts of the same glitch from different people, and this forum now having the most traffic in the forums is enough proof already.

See yourself out of here.

[PR3D4TOR 1]

Melbourne/Hockenheim/Hungary can be an issue if you do not watch it carefully temp wise. 
Monaco/Singapore are worse. Far worse. I do not know how to handle this. I have changed setups many times. I tried many things. Trying to drive as smooth as possible, avoiding fights but it does not work. No clue what is happening.