Impossible to keep up with the AI race pace solely due to high tyre inner carcass temperatures.

[SingaporeTrackLizard 100]

The Sauber seems to deal with too high temps better too. I can stay on the pace better with the Sauber with hot tyres than I can with the TR.

[Zachrulez 51]

PR3D4TOR said:

Melbourne/Hockenheim/Hungary can be an issue if you do not watch it carefully temp wise. 
Monaco/Singapore are worse. Far worse. I do not know how to handle this. I have changed setups many times. I tried many things. Trying to drive as smooth as possible, avoiding fights but it does not work. No clue what is happening. 

On all these tracks using the harder tyres will help though I didn't have as much of an issue with management at Hockenheim. You just have to be a bit careful how you hit the corners.

[Zachrulez 51]

So yeah I just ran Singapore in the second season of one of my career modes. The tyres still cooked like crazy but something really strange happened. Half of the AI got really slow too. I'm not sure what happened. Perhaps the heavy upgrading made it impossible for them to maintain their temps. Definitely seems to point at something being badly broken in the carcass temps.

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Zachrulez said:

So yeah I just ran Singapore in the second season of one of my career modes. The tyres still cooked like crazy but something really strange happened. Half of the AI got really slow too. I'm not sure what happened. Perhaps the heavy upgrading made it impossible for them to maintain their temps. Definitely seems to point at something being badly broken in the carcass temps.

Taking front left of my maxed chassis and aero alfa, for example. S 3 Bahrain. 3rd lap of race front left of yellow soft compound is 98 degrees carcass (I was pushing to break the DRS from LeClerc) as I enter final turn gently. Never let it get higher than 105 surface in final turn, so surface below carcass before the finish line, and about 86 towards the end of the straight at which point it drops one degree before heavy braking (and braking as heavy as a guy can with 54 brake pressure) for T1. For the whole pit straight at Sakhir. 1 degree. Amazing. Then drop another degree on way into T4.
Turn 11 is hit and miss for losing a degree, probably due to entry of T10, and entry of T14 never seem to drop a degree before braking. 
It was never really an issue hereduring the race as I think the only time I had even yellowish green was fighting LeClerc on final lap. But I watch this ish religiously now so its noticeable when temps DON'T drop.
I imagine with ABS or high brake pressure surface temps can get way above 130. Now I mostly keep them 115 or below, but with the AI around occasionally you can't do anything about it (Oh look Sirotkin is parked on the freaking Apex again).

[Zachrulez 51]

We are now on patch 1.12 and this is still completely un-addressed.

[sanderu1983 18]

Yeah tomorrow I'm trying to get mine money back from Sony. I bought this game in the PSN shop.

I did wait long enough for it.

[sanderu1983 18]

Lee mather on twitter:

"option is coming. It actually takes months of tuning, testing and balancing to setup the tyres."

[Zachrulez 51]

So it never occurred to them that people would want to shut this system off because it might be incredibly broken on some tracks?

I'm just in awe considering all the previous versions of the game without the temperature system.

[Barrikada71 1]

I already told them that Codemasters was not going to do anything, I warned them that tweets have no value. The facts are the ones that have value and obviously I think we all know how Codemasters works in this sense. The saddest thing of all is that we have conflicts among us to comment on a thread. On the other hand, moderators and intermediaries between Codemasters and users are conspicuous by their absence. The game has many important failures which Codemasters does not know how to solve, this type of development is very big. Every year the same thing happens and we do not learn and we continue buying an unfinished game and that with time they are not able to fix. I think that users should take another path to the next F1 and not give money for an unfinished game with multiple failures. I hope that this problem they have is fixed but given the incompetence of Codemasters, it is very difficult. Greetings to all.

[AllenB2609 348]

ridiculous. All I can say Body is 15 characters too short.

[ShouldBeThere 0]

Yeah I thought this wasn't a problem, I hadn't had it in my half season of career. As soon as I have a slight off, loose the back end, and the inner carcass temp gets to yellow, it's possible to get back to green, but only by driving ridiculously slowly. The other added problem is that the backend suddenly becomes as loose as though driving in the wet, which makes this even harder. Again, all from one slight off or catch of oversteer. 

[Frostysport 1]

When will people stop complaining about tyre temps on a pad. I'm a pad user & like any other sensible person would do, I adjust my driving style to compensate for the higher tyre temps. Do people honestly this Lewis Hamilton or Sebastian Vettel get on the radio to ask everybody else to slow down so they can control their temps. It would be the ultimate insult from @Faya & the rest of the Codemasters crew if this is changed. Please I beg of you. Do NOT change anything with the tyre temps.

[kobra167 8]

People will stop complaining when it's low longer a problem. I assure you that all those people complaining are trying everything to compensate with style, setups, driving with the harder compounds, etc...Any viable solution results in driving way below the pace you should be for proper AI level. In the end the formula for tire heat has to change to be a more accurate simulation. If you pay attention to whats going on at the tracks in real life. At some of the tracks often complained about, the drivers in RL are complaining about not being able to keep enough tempt in the tires. The exact opposite of whats going on in the game. 

[Nastra100 14]

ShouldBeThere said:

Yeah I thought this wasn't a problem, I hadn't had it in my half season of career. As soon as I have a slight off, loose the back end, and the inner carcass temp gets to yellow, it's possible to get back to green, but only by driving ridiculously slowly. The other added problem is that the backend suddenly becomes as loose as though driving in the wet, which makes this even harder. Again, all from one slight off or catch of oversteer. 

Gets worse as you develop the car too
 Also think it came with patch 1.09

[Zachrulez 51]

Upgrading the car actually has started to make temperature more of a problem for me on quite a few tracks. Some tracks I never had a problem with in season 1 have tyres overheating now in season 2. I don't think they tested very deep into career more with the temperature system and I'm actually quite amazed that there's no tyre temperature upgrades in career mode with how touted the 'realistic' temp system is meant to be.

The temp system really does need tweaking for career mode. It's completely unsustainable the way it is now.

[Nastra100 14]

Frostysport said:

When will people stop complaining about tyre temps on a pad. I'm a pad user & like any other sensible person would do, I adjust my driving style to compensate for the higher tyre temps. Do people honestly this Lewis Hamilton or Sebastian Vettel get on the radio to ask everybody else to slow down so they can control their temps. It would be the ultimate insult from @Faya & the rest of the Codemasters crew if this is changed. Please I beg of you. Do NOT change anything with the tyre temps.

This post is irrelevant since codies have come out and stated they know it is a bug so all this driving style talk is moot

[Nastra100 14]

Zachrulez said:

Upgrading the car actually has started to make temperature more of a problem for me on quite a few tracks. Some tracks I never had a problem with in season 1 have tyres overheating now in season 2. I don't think they tested very deep into career more with the temperature system and I'm actually quite amazed that there's no tyre temperature upgrades in career mode with how touted the 'realistic' temp system is meant to be.

The temp system really does need tweaking for career mode. It's completely unsustainable the way it is now.

Yes I put a big upgrade on my car for Austin and the temps went mad there. Seen wheel racers also complain that they are noticing it as they get further into the career. I think Aarava has had it for the last few races now although he is managing it well

[Turtlemoose 75]

Melbourne and Bahrain no issue whatsover - in fact at Bahrain I ran a longer first stint (was losing a second a lap but I gained time back on 2nd stint with the fresher tyres).

Did a single race weekend at Austin and really struggled with tyre temp.

[sanderu1983 18]

Turtlemoose said:

Melbourne and Bahrain no issue whatsover - in fact at Bahrain I ran a longer first stint (was losing a second a lap but I gained time back on 2nd stint with the fresher tyres).

Did a single race weekend at Austin and really struggled with tyre temp.

Season 1 or?

I see wheel users now having problems to with tire temps.

Psn refused to do a refund I did try it

[Turtlemoose 75]

I'll say this again - I have tyre temp issue at some tracks where it is costing me 3/4 - 1 second a lap and can be controlled - this to me shows that it is working fine and I don't have an issue with this.

It's the losing at least 3 seconds a lap to A.I after just 5 laps at Monaco and Singapore that really winds me up.

[Turtlemoose 75]

Season 2 for Melbourne & Bahrain - actually I did struggle towards end of first 2 stints at Melbourne but I was really pushing hard. Bahrain was fine.

Brazil Season 1, I think I may have struggled a bit. Abu was ok, Mexico seemed quite easy to cool tyres down.

China season 2 next - will give feedback either tomorrow or day after.

[Barrikada71 1]

Nastra100 said:

Frostysport said:

When will people stop complaining about tyre temps on a pad. I'm a pad user & like any other sensible person would do, I adjust my driving style to compensate for the higher tyre temps. Do people honestly this Lewis Hamilton or Sebastian Vettel get on the radio to ask everybody else to slow down so they can control their temps. It would be the ultimate insult from @Faya & the rest of the Codemasters crew if this is changed. Please I beg of you. Do NOT change anything with the tyre temps.

This post is irrelevant since codies have come out and stated they know it is a bug so all this driving style talk is moot

Seriously, stop lying to people, Codemasters will do what they want at the end, but stop saying nonsense and falsehoods. I want you to solve the problem but you do not help at all with that series of falsehoods, it creates an atmosphere of optimism where there can not be. I have managed to have friends disagreeing with that topic but you and others create their own virtual world in which they do not want to recognize real things. When I have a story I would do well to put a link or a photo, that would lift the spirits of people who are burned with this problem but please do not make people believe what is not.

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Turtlemoose said:

China season 2 next - will give feedback either tomorrow or day after.

I'll have my S3 China feedback then too, will post setup I end up with also. Don't see it being too bad actually. I think Monaco and Singapore are the two where its worse. Over time I am either getting better at driving within limits with help from setup, but there ar still some other tracks where it's borderline if I push to open/close a gap. 

[Nastra100 14]

Barrikada71 said:

Nastra100 said:

Frostysport said:

When will people stop complaining about tyre temps on a pad. I'm a pad user & like any other sensible person would do, I adjust my driving style to compensate for the higher tyre temps. Do people honestly this Lewis Hamilton or Sebastian Vettel get on the radio to ask everybody else to slow down so they can control their temps. It would be the ultimate insult from @Faya & the rest of the Codemasters crew if this is changed. Please I beg of you. Do NOT change anything with the tyre temps.

This post is irrelevant since codies have come out and stated they know it is a bug so all this driving style talk is moot

Seriously, stop lying to people, Codemasters will do what they want at the end, but stop saying nonsense and falsehoods. I want you to solve the problem but you do not help at all with that series of falsehoods, it creates an atmosphere of optimism where there can not be. I have managed to have friends disagreeing with that topic but you and others create their own virtual world in which they do not want to recognize real things. When I have a story I would do well to put a link or a photo, that would lift the spirits of people who are burned with this problem but please do not make people believe what is not.

Ahem you really fancy me the way you follow me around. Not my type hun, I like them slimmer.

That said, as for your accusation the Game Director himself addressed this 3 weeks back or is that not official enough for you?

https://twitter.com/TheLeeMather/status/1043964481775251456

[Turtlemoose 75]

He has just tweeted again - check his profile out. Faya has also commented on one of the threads too