Impossible to keep up with the AI race pace solely due to high tyre inner carcass temperatures.

[Faya 1,190]

Hi all,

Squishing a couple of threads together as they were about the same thing. 

I am poking people about this. I'll let you know more as soon as I can. 

[sanderu1983 18]

So a little more info soon. Where is mine popcorn i can make then in the tire heat

[Turtlemoose 75]

something is bubbling away at F1 Games HQ perhaps.............? 

EDIT: When you start to have dreams about a patch fixing these issues then you know you've become obsessed. I woke up the other morning thinking this has been resolved.

[sanderu1983 18]

Turtlemoose said:

something is bubbling away at F1 Games HQ perhaps.............? 

EDIT: When you start to have dreams about a patch fixing these issues then you know you've become obsessed. I woke up the other morning thinking this has been resolved.

Or getting crazy and watching every 5 min on Twitter and this forum(yes i don't have much else to do with mine illness)

[sanderu1983 18]

I really hope on better implementation for the tire heat. I really like it. Part of racing now the tire management. But much better implementation then now. Even wheel racers is having issues now with a upgraded car.

[Nastra100 14]

Turtlemoose said:

He has just tweeted again - check his profile out. Faya has also commented on one of the threads too

https://twitter.com/TheLeeMather/status/1052207520100573184

Thanks putting this here for my forum husband @Barrikada71

My presence is like a Bat signal to him

[Giuspa 0]

Hi everyone. I state that I have a pc and that I have a steering wheel and pedals. I believe that the problem of tires can be solved by Cody simply by increasing the cooling speed a little. I also believe that to limit the problem you need to find the right setup that guarantees first the tires and then the best speed and stability. this is why the Sim Racing Telemetry program helps me a lot, thanks to which I can reduce wheel slippage by modifying springs, suspensions and torsion bars and lowering temperatures by modifying camber and convergence, checking the result with SRT each time. . In doing so I never had big problems with the tires. Just like I have never had any problems with the Safety Car and I have never had unrealistic times when in the test sessions and in qualifying I accelerate the time of the simulation. I repeat my platform  pc.

[Nastra100 14]

Giuspa said:

Hi everyone. I state that I have a pc and that I have a steering wheel and pedals. I believe that the problem of tires can be solved by Cody simply by increasing the cooling speed a little. I also believe that to limit the problem you need to find the right setup that guarantees first the tires and then the best speed and stability. this is why the Sim Racing Telemetry program helps me a lot, thanks to which I can reduce wheel slippage by modifying springs, suspensions and torsion bars and lowering temperatures by modifying camber and convergence, checking the result with SRT each time. . In doing so I never had big problems with the tires. Just like I have never had any problems with the Safety Car and I have never had unrealistic times when in the test sessions and in qualifying I accelerate the time of the simulation. I repeat my platform  pc.

You are one of the lucky ones, the unrealistic times are now every session. Basically anything that is simulated goes loopy.

I stayed on track as much as I could and then watched the AI do their laps and all times were fine. Then they went on their final runs as the clock, counted down to zero which meant the rest of the lap was simulated. Perez (always seems to be him in my game) and Hulkenberg basically did different sectors 2 seconds faster than anyone else ::neutral:

[Metzgerov 41]

Which tracks are most problematic for you? Spain only
Is it a specific tyre compound? All Dry
Are you using a controller or a wheel? Wheel
Which Traction Control setting are you on? No
Are you running a custom car set up? If so, what set up are you using? Yes

And what length are the races? 50%

[Turtlemoose 75]

@Faya have you been poking the development team with the big stick yet?

[m260602 56]

I play with a pad on PS4 and after a few laps the car is uncotrollable with tyre carcus temps reaching 105 C!!!!! 

[Turtlemoose 75]

This is the thread for you my friend - probably the most active on here, please share as much info as possible.

https://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/138658/impossible-to-keep-up-with-the-ai-race-pace-solely-due-to-high-tyre-inner-carcass-temperatures#latest

[Faya 1,190]

Hi all,

Squished another thread in with this one as they were about the same thing. Thanks!

[Barrikada71 1]

Turtlemoose said:

@Faya have you been poking the development team with the big stick yet?

In your case it may be that you do not know how to drive properly and do not know how to make setups to lower those temperatures. I should work on those aspects and perhaps I would stop complaining about the same thing. It's hard to hear you say the same thing every day.

[mjhd91 0]

Barrikada71 said:

Turtlemoose said:

@Faya have you been poking the development team with the big stick yet?

In your case it may be that you do not know how to drive properly and do not know how to make setups to lower those temperatures. I should work on those aspects and perhaps I would stop complaining about the same thing. It's hard to hear you say the same thing every day.

We all know it's an issue. It's hard to hear you say the same every day about it being our driving style or to buy a wheel.

[sanderu1983 18]

@Barrikada71 even wheel racers have problems when the car is going faster.

Look add this. Season 3 Hungary

https://youtu.be/gjPyoWgHw7k...

[FRACTURED 30]

Continuing Season 3...

Changed all setups to include 54% brake pressure. Flash-frying the tyres under braking is no longer a 'thing' for me. I look forward to being accused of brake testing if I ever get back online :wink:
I think I have found setup changes that universally work for me to reduce issues with tyre cooling. I can brake later in some instance with 54 versus what was probably 89 pressure previously, as not locking up is reducing the braking distance. Pretty cool. Seems I can pick a marker board too. A lot of my previous braking points using higher brake pressure were always 'just after the 100m board' or 'just before the 50m but not too late or hello wall'.

China - No issues, never went above 104 degrees on either compound running a normal pace.

Baku - slightly tougher, but stayed off the Hypers and again managed temps fairly easily. 

Canada - No issue, never above 104 degrees, raced at normal pace (ran it at 100% distance, had some nice weather transitions and got the achievement for running 4 compounds) . Wets began to overheat as track was initial drying, pitted for Inters - then they were overheating just before the field switched to dry tyres. As would be expected.

Spain - Only became an issue when pushing flat out prior to a stop, got to 107 on the front left on  the softest compound. No issue on middle tyre, could race at mostly normal pace - occasionally would need to take it easy on turns 1, 3, 4, 9 and 12 if it was starting to creep a little, and gently on braking into 13 and 14. I found with 13 and 14 if there was any kind of locking up the front left would retain too much heat and not lose anything by end of pit straight.

Monaco - Pretty quickly started to heat up in practice and qualifying, simmed race. Zero Cares.

France - Had a few issues but it was manageable. I don't know the track too well at this point (but picking it up better than Mexico...)

Austria - Running sub 1:04 race lap times with absolutely no tyre management issues whatsoever, on any tyre. Started on the Soft ran a few laps over expected pit lap and even over the longer stint it was at 103 max when I was on my in lap pushing.

Silverstone next, should be fine, Germany should be fine. Hungary is the next one I have interest in from tyre cooling point of view.

[Turtlemoose 75]

With simming a race does it just go straight to the race results screen or can you watch as if it was a race replay?

[FRACTURED 30]

Turtlemoose said:

With simming a race does it just go straight to the race results screen or can you watch as if it was a race replay?

I wouldn't have watched anyways :sunglasses:

Goes straight to results screen. Big hit to RP, otherwise I'm happy its an option. The AI were doing 1:07's or something in dry lol

[Turtlemoose 75]

FRACTURED said:

Continuing Season 3...

Changed all setups to include 54% brake pressure. Flash-frying the tyres under braking is no longer a 'thing' for me. I look forward to being accused of brake testing if I ever get back online :wink:
I think I have found setup changes that universally work for me to reduce issues with tyre cooling. I can brake later in some instance with 54 versus what was probably 89 pressure previously, as not locking up is reducing the braking distance. Pretty cool. Seems I can pick a marker board too. A lot of my previous braking points using higher brake pressure were always 'just after the 100m board' or 'just before the 50m but not too late or hello wall'.

China - No issues, never went above 104 degrees on either compound running a normal pace.

Baku - slightly tougher, but stayed off the Hypers and again managed temps fairly easily. 

Canada - No issue, never above 104 degrees, raced at normal pace (ran it at 100% distance, had some nice weather transitions and got the achievement for running 4 compounds) . Wets began to overheat as track was initial drying, pitted for Inters - then they were overheating just before the field switched to dry tyres. As would be expected.

Spain - Only became an issue when pushing flat out prior to a stop, got to 107 on the front left on  the softest compound. No issue on middle tyre, could race at mostly normal pace - occasionally would need to take it easy on turns 1, 3, 4, 9 and 12 if it was starting to creep a little, and gently on braking into 13 and 14. I found with 13 and 14 if there was any kind of locking up the front left would retain too much heat and not lose anything by end of pit straight.

Monaco - Pretty quickly started to heat up in practice and qualifying, simmed race. Zero Cares.

France - Had a few issues but it was manageable. I don't know the track too well at this point (but picking it up better than Mexico...)

Austria - Running sub 1:04 race lap times with absolutely no tyre management issues whatsoever, on any tyre. Started on the Soft ran a few laps over expected pit lap and even over the longer stint it was at 103 max when I was on my in lap pushing.

Silverstone next, should be fine, Germany should be fine. Hungary is the next one I have interest in from tyre cooling point of view.

Was just looking back at your notes - my Spain race is pretty much identical to yours: even when my front left hit 107-108 I was only losing up to a second per lap so I was happy with that - I could actually extend my first two stints and run aggressively at the end.

I really do want to give Monaco a go, but I'm conceding that I'll have to 2 stop to get through the race unless people have a recommended car setup? My front tyre pressures are the lowest they can go and I added some negative camber - any other car setups tricks?

[FRACTURED 30]

I see a lot of setups with lower front than rear wing, 4, 5 even 6 higher at rear. I balance them closer, no more than one or two clicks away from each other (always more on rear though).

All my setups have Lower front suspension and ARB than rear (no more than 5 front ARB, mostly between 1 and 3)
Also, braking balance is 54% to front versus default 60.
Thats pretty much it. 

Did GB and Germany and they were fine, 50%. I think I cooked front left to 115 degrees at GB going side by side with a Red Bull and Ferarri for a lap pushing. But was close to a pitstop and I really was pushing it hard to try and beat them into the pits. 

Hungary was pretty nasty at the pace I wanted to run, mostly yellow front left inevitably, and best I could do to keep it cool was yellow green at about 106 if I recall correctly, and that was losing about 1.5-2s a lap. 

Spa was brilliant. Finally worked out consistent Eau Rouge entry on the pad. Only ever had cooling issues when racing and they were always green by final turn and would drop further by end of kemmel. Passed max at the final turn for the win.
https://xboxdvr.com/gamer/fractured-life/video/62380321
Was annoyed I didn't make it a 100%, forgot to check. 

Monza tonight 100%. That won't be a problem...

Then Singapore  :#
Should be better than Monaco. My problem there is lockups more than steering input I'm pretty sure. Getting used to the lower pressure should help. 

[Zachrulez 51]

Any word on a fix for this? If something doesn't come soon I will probably find other games to play in the meantime...

[Turtlemoose 75]

Right so something a bit odd but promising just happened:

Just did 4 attempts at race weekends for Monaco trying different setups (one lap quali and 25% race distance), I dropped AI by 2 points from my usual career level.

First 3 attempts front tyres did their usual 107 degrees by 5th lap - plus on third attempt the rears also over cooked.

i genuinely can't remember what I did to my setup 4th time around but a minor miracle occurred...... Though the rear end of the car was handling like a dog, I got to the end of my 8th lap with my front tyres only at 104 degrees!!!!!!!
Rears had overcooked badly again so there's something I've left on the carsetup from the 3rd race that's affected the rears, however I need to look at this again tomorrow to see if I can balance that back out.

Career mode I race 50% distance so I would need to do a 12 lap stint on the hypers so I'm slowly working my way there.

Only negative potentially is that by helping the front tyres out has it made the rears now suffer instead.

[Barrikada71 1]

I found this in a forum in my country (3DJuegos), I do not really know if it works but the person who gives a solution plays with PAD, I hope it helps them until their case is definitively solved. The link where the post is hosted is:

https://www.3djuegos.com/foros/tema/49072766/0/soblehentamiento-excesivo-de-neumaticos/

I translate it but you already know that I do it with the translator and I do not know if it will be understood:

"Have you explain it a little, what you say that you overheat a tire more than another usually happens in some circuits, the hyperbland tires (HS) is easy to warm, the "trick" is to turn very smooth, when we turn to stop we notice a slight vibration in the control that means that the front tire is skidding then when skid overheating, you have to avoid that slight vibration when turning turning smoothly and not suddenly, also another cause is to go fast in all the tight braking laps, wheel locks etc, you have to brake a little before and little by little do not brake suddenly, it is not a bug is well done, you have to understand the tires and know how to use them."

I hope I can help you.

[tarrantino 120]

Barrikada71 said:

I found this in a forum in my country (3DJuegos), I do not really know if it works but the person who gives a solution plays with PAD, I hope it helps them until their case is definitively solved. The link where the post is hosted is:

https://www.3djuegos.com/foros/tema/49072766/0/soblehentamiento-excesivo-de-neumaticos/

I translate it but you already know that I do it with the translator and I do not know if it will be understood:

"Have you explain it a little, what you say that you overheat a tire more than another usually happens in some circuits, the hyperbland tires (HS) is easy to warm, the "trick" is to turn very smooth, when we turn to stop we notice a slight vibration in the control that means that the front tire is skidding then when skid overheating, you have to avoid that slight vibration when turning turning smoothly and not suddenly, also another cause is to go fast in all the tight braking laps, wheel locks etc, you have to brake a little before and little by little do not brake suddenly, it is not a bug is well done, you have to understand the tires and know how to use them."

I hope I can help you.

Exactly. Yes you will be slower but that then reiterates the point of turning the AI down a bit to compensate.