Patch Notes for 1.05 – DISCUSSION THREAD

[SASColfer 56]

Really really disappointed with the medium TC rebalance. It was the perfect handling for me. I don't even play online, don't understand why I've got to suffer for it.

[kelsh003 0]

Also very annoyed with the medium TC balance. I'd just got a great balance with my settings, the AI level and was having a lot of fun and a good challenge. The medium TC was the only assist I had.

We aren't all in the same league as your Gillon's, Nobles or Veloce Limitless. Some of us need an assist on to really enjoy it and there ain't any shame in that.

I hope it get's rebalanced, because it was a good challenge without being too tricky or easy. Now its ruined.

[bastek2504 25]

kelsh003 said:

Also very annoyed with the medium TC balance. I'd just got a great balance with my settings, the AI level and was having a lot of fun and a good challenge. The medium TC was the only assist I had.

We aren't all in the same league as your Gillon's, Nobles or Veloce Limitless. Some of us need an assist on to really enjoy it and there ain't any shame in that.

I hope it get's rebalanced, because it was a good challenge without being too tricky or easy. Now its ruined.

Its ok that you need that assist... but the problem is that medium tc was faster than no assists. Why should an "assist" make you faster than no assists. This doesnt make sense to me. And if someone wants to be fast, he should be able to turn off the traction control...... my oppinion!

[airtechracing 0]

Its my first post here, but im just so disappointed after buying third game in a row.

Just bought the game and played it not even for an hour. Three big bugs occured.

Quick race at australia, 25%...safety car after 2 or 3 laps, whole grid including me went to pits, massive double stacking.

Few laps later, Hamilton with empty tire just driving around til end of the race. 

Quick race at Monza 25%. I won, after podium celebrations my car went directly the pits, my driver (Raikkonen) still celebrating, while pit crew literaly sitting on my car and doing nothing :dizzy:  oh irony

I was so confused that i forgot to screenshot it. 


Amazing game. 

[Davidepotenza19 0]

the patch also affects excessive overheating of tires sl
since practically almost all the users who play with me pad have problems of overheating in circuits like monaco singapore and barcelona

[PolTTK 0]

bastek2504 said:

kelsh003 said:

Also very annoyed with the medium TC balance. I'd just got a great balance with my settings, the AI level and was having a lot of fun and a good challenge. The medium TC was the only assist I had.

We aren't all in the same league as your Gillon's, Nobles or Veloce Limitless. Some of us need an assist on to really enjoy it and there ain't any shame in that.

I hope it get's rebalanced, because it was a good challenge without being too tricky or easy. Now its ruined.

Its ok that you need that assist... but the problem is that medium tc was faster than no assists. Why should an "assist" make you faster than no assists. This doesnt make sense to me. And if someone wants to be fast, he should be able to turn off the traction control...... my oppinion!

Medium TC wasnt and isnt faster. Never was.

[bastek2504 25]

PolTTK said:

bastek2504 said:

kelsh003 said:

Also very annoyed with the medium TC balance. I'd just got a great balance with my settings, the AI level and was having a lot of fun and a good challenge. The medium TC was the only assist I had.

We aren't all in the same league as your Gillon's, Nobles or Veloce Limitless. Some of us need an assist on to really enjoy it and there ain't any shame in that.

I hope it get's rebalanced, because it was a good challenge without being too tricky or easy. Now its ruined.

Its ok that you need that assist... but the problem is that medium tc was faster than no assists. Why should an "assist" make you faster than no assists. This doesnt make sense to me. And if someone wants to be fast, he should be able to turn off the traction control...... my oppinion!

Medium TC wasnt and isnt faster. Never was.

Look at TT... the best people like limitless or finn or someone like that are on top... and then just people with assists

[Slick_Rick_ 24]

@Faya I'm still getting random frame rate issues on PC when navigating menus and when viewing other cars on track on the live tv view in practise/qualifying of the offline Career Mode and Grand Prix.  This issue still has not been resolved.  As for medium TC, there is a noticeable difference in the stability of the cars on certain parts of the circuits compared to the medium TC setting in the initial release which is fine by me, I will welcome the challenge with open arms but the main issue with me is the random frame rate drops in offline Career Mode and Grand Prix on PC when I navigate the menus and if I want to view how the other cars are doing on the live tv screen so I hope the next patch will fix this.

[NightFire 0]

Outrage like this is why Codies games will never be taken seriously as a true simulation of the sport despite their eSport push.

Simple facts are that medium TC in the hands of someone who is decent at this game was too quick especially if they're on wheels. The Limitless video on this topic is only one example. People who should be playing with TC off and doing OK with it were putting it to medium to find any advantage they could, especially in wet conditions.

I do realise most players stay in the singleplayer modes, but really, you can't discount the online players just on the basis that there are less of them.

Simplest solution would be to just restrict ranked multiplayer to full and off until they find a balance for medium to be used fairly. Keep it the same as it was offline, even though I honestly think people who don't want to use full TC and lower their difficulty are putting way too much pride in their career mode difficulty setting. If you drop it by 5 or 10, who is honestly going to care?

[MatrimC 1]

NightFire said:

I do realise most players stay in the singleplayer modes, but really, you can't discount the online players just on the basis that there are less of them.

Because it's such a good idea to disgruntle thousands of players playing your game's main mode, to give a handful of players few tenths in comparison in game's mode that isn't even fully supported.

They could have gone with this change with so many different ways and instead they just decided to nuke it.

[Jules279 0]

Maybe a % setting is possible? Traction control 100% - 75% - 50%...

I understand when you say, it's bad for TT (don't know what this is, just play offline career) because Medium TC is faster than no TV. But just because of this you can't ignore the majority of the players. It is nearly impossible to manage the current TC with gamepad (and I'm not bad with gamepad). Even if some guys can that, I bet the majority can't. And to play with full TC isn't a solution either.

I don't have a solution for this all, but the best way at the moment is, to change Medium TC to pre-patch TC to calm down the majority of the gamers and find a solution because of the TT problem. 

[SirDriftalots 0]

MatrimC said:

NightFire said:

I do realise most players stay in the singleplayer modes, but really, you can't discount the online players just on the basis that there are less of them.

Because it's such a good idea to disgruntle thousands of players playing your game's main mode, to give a handful of players few tenths in comparison in game's mode that isn't even fully supported.

They could have gone with this change with so many different ways and instead they just decided to nuke it.

If it’s literally just ‘a few tenths’, then why the melt down?

Are you upset you have to get a few tenths better, or have to turn down the AI a few notches?

[MatrimC 1]

The issue is that players have already become comfortable on the setups / assists they have found since the release of the game. Changing the core gameplay throws all these players using Medium TC back to square one. 

If Medium TC would have been like this since the release of the game, no one would have said anything. Now Codemasters' is catering handful of players on secondary play mode of the game and hampering the fun of thousands of players in their main mode of the game.

And it's not the tenths, it is tenths for the players using no assists, but for Medium TC players it's seconds due to inconsistencies with new traction mechanics. 

[chen255 30]

"fifi25 said:

Still no news about the cars stuttering issue during replay ? :/ "
I'm waiting to hear about this too. I'm on PS4 Pro and haven't purchased the game yet and wont do so until they fix the replays. If you have the game on PS4 please report back after the patch is released.  

[SirDriftalots 0]

MatrimC said:

The issue is that players have already become comfortable on the setups / assists they have found since the release of the game. Changing the core gameplay throws all these players using Medium TC back to square one. 

If Medium TC would have been like this since the release of the game, no one would have said anything. Now Codemasters' is catering handful of players on secondary play mode of the game and hampering the fun of thousands of players in their main mode of the game.

And it's not the tenths, it is tenths for the players using no assists, but for Medium TC players it's seconds due to inconsistencies with new traction mechanics. 

So the exploit should remain because you’ve become comfortable with said exploit, and lean on it heavily to extract your lap times?

I don’t think even real life F1 teams, with millions of dollars at stake act this petulant when their exploits are nerfed or ‘re balanced’ by the FIA.

[CaptainAust 1]

Don't we have this discussion every year anyway  i think a beter beta testing system needs to be implemented than the limited amount of game that testers get. Clearly the testing model cm have at the moment isnt working 

[SirDriftalots 0]

CaptainAust said:

Don't we have this discussion every year anyway  i think a beter beta testing system needs to be implemented than the limited amount of game that testers get. Clearly the testing model cm have at the moment isnt working 

On that we can all agree mate.

[TopAirspace 6]

Are the broadcast replays fixed? Or are they still a stuttering mess?

And oh noes..... they've changed medium TC..... (palm of the face)

[MatrimC 1]

SirDriftalots said:

So the exploit should remain because you’ve become comfortable with said exploit, and lean on it heavily to extract your lap times?

You calling something an exploit doesn't make it so. Stop blaming the players playing the game Codemasters designed and released.

[AdamFreeman 224]

Amongst earlier reported issues I am sure the AI has been made like 2017 AI.

Pre patch AI would battle go on the outside to pass and now they arent defending and almost acting like they have got blue flagged!

[Bowzer33 3]

Seems kinda crappy that people on the other side of the world who play a different game mode than me, and dont even use medium TC, should dictate how I play my game by myself in single player mode. I never play online.
Last I checked, all fastest times in time trial are non assist anyway.

How about this, if possible. Revert Medium TC to how it was, but have it as a selectable option for only offline game modes? (Championship, Career, single race, etc)
Since most people who really want to use it play offline, and only online non users complain about it, this would keep much more people happy. Is it possible though?

[SirDriftalots 0]

MatrimC said:

SirDriftalots said:

So the exploit should remain because you’ve become comfortable with said exploit, and lean on it heavily to extract your lap times?

You calling something an exploit doesn't make it so. Stop blaming the players playing the game Codemasters designed and released.

But it is an exploit. It is all benefit, no disadvantage, if it added weight to the car, or limited power while active, then I’d have no complaints but it allows people to apply the perfect amount of throttle for corner exit without any negative repercussions, therefore it’s an exploit.

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

because it takes away engine power to control wheelspin, and by bogging down the engine, they are losing lap time, and at the end of the day they are upset that an exploit used to gain laptime without the normal necessary skill has been taken away from them.

[SirDriftalots 0]

NightFire said:

Outrage like this is why Codies games will never be taken seriously as a true simulation of the sport despite their eSport push.

Simple facts are that medium TC in the hands of someone who is decent at this game was too quick especially if they're on wheels. The Limitless video on this topic is only one example. People who should be playing with TC off and doing OK with it were putting it to medium to find any advantage they could, especially in wet conditions.

I do realise most players stay in the singleplayer modes, but really, you can't discount the online players just on the basis that there are less of them.

Simplest solution would be to just restrict ranked multiplayer to full and off until they find a balance for medium to be used fairly. Keep it the same as it was offline, even though I honestly think people who don't want to use full TC and lower their difficulty are putting way too much pride in their career mode difficulty setting. If you drop it by 5 or 10, who is honestly going to care?

Could not of put it better myself.

[norfolkblue 4]

Am i the only one thinking that slower TC is a good thing? xD I played on pad without assists back in 2016 before I had a wheel, it was good fun and made the game way more enjoyable. Only thing was everyone using the assists got an easy win each time lol...

But by the looks of it a lot of people disagree with me on this one haha

[kubakw 31]

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.