Patch Notes for 1.05 – DISCUSSION THREAD

[buckelflips 0]

@Faya

medium TC is fine! You made it harder to control and you not slowed it down like you did in 2017! Medium TC was like FullTC, now it is medium. which is fine.

Thanks for the patch! Good job codemasters! But be so kind and keep it as it is, and do not modify it again ;)

[fifi25 0]

@Faya 

Any news about de the replay stuttering issue ?

Thank you in advance for your answer. 

[Pandazzurra 0]

@Faya

Right after the patch was released, i suffered fps issue (at the same game setting), replay stuttering and black screen during PL1 at Baku. Do you know there are any correlletions between this problems and the patch?

Thank you in advance!

[SirDriftalots 0]

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

[KiLLu12258 187]

buckelflips said:

@Faya

medium TC is fine! You made it harder to control and you not slowed it down like you did in 2017! Medium TC was like FullTC, now it is medium. which is fine.

Thanks for the patch! Good job codemasters! But be so kind and keep it as it is, and do not modify it again ;)

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[kubakw 31]

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

No, I don't use full TC because tha car feels heavy and unresponsive. I don't give a **** what is quicker and what is not. With the amount of time I can devote to the game, medium TC was a perfect balance between being challenged and being able to be moderatly quick and consistent. I didn't exploit anything and didn't feel that I have any kind of unfair advantage. I really can't understand why you keep teelling me how I should enjoy the game, what is up with my ego and what not. I know you think you're better than me because you use no assists, but guess what, I don't care. From my POV I used to have a lot of fun driving and now I don't and this is the only thing that matters to me so get lost with your crusade. 

[Jules279 0]

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

Reading isn't your strength, isn't it? He already told, that he doesn't care about the lap times. It's just the feeling of the car. I rather drive slower and have a better feeling than be faster but the car feels shit in corners.

And with full TC you haven't a challenge as a pad user. Full is to easy and boring, non TC is to hart for 90% of the pad users. Medium was perfect, but now even this isn't really playable (and I tried to get used to it).

And "lower the AI a bit" is a awful solution aswell. Through the new TC you just lose time after slow corners, where you drive with gear 4 or lower. In highspeed corners, where traction isn't that problem, the AI is to easy because of this "just lower the AI a bit". 

Question: do you even play medium TC or are you a non TC player? 

[patronas 14]

kubakw said:

What a stupid idea to change medium TC... You did it because a few people complained about it being too fast. Now you're gonna have a lot of us complain because you changed it after everybody got used to it.

Yea it was same as last year a couple people complainded about the tc and it was only a few people as well not enough to warrant a change just so them few people could get there name on top of leader board this is first time havent bought the game and best thing from what ive read dont know if will buy it at all but as long as every one keeps buying there product the will keep on fetching broken games out 300 plus people testing game for it to be released the way it is is a joke but u cant really blame when there costumers keep on coming back the only thing what will make codies change there aproach is by taking a hit in there wallet 

[Jules279 0]

You guys told, that it was in 2017 the same. Was there a re-update that brought medium TC back to where it was, so for 2018 there is a chance that they do the same?
Or should I got used to it, because they won't change it again? 

[Faya 1,190]

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone for your feedback about the Medium Traction Control. We've taken this back to the team for further discussion. 

[SirDriftalots 0]

Jules279 said:

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

Question: do you even play medium TC or are you a non TC player? 

I use no TC offline, but am forced to use medium TC online because it’s so unbelievably exploitable, I need to have it to remain competitive even with drivers with a much lower skill level.

[kubakw 31]

SirDriftalots said:

Jules279 said:

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

Question: do you even play medium TC or are you a non TC player? 

I use no TC offline, but am forced to use medium TC online because it’s so unbelievably exploitable, I need to have it to remain competitive even with drivers with a much lower skill level.

So maybe it's about YOUR ego after all.

[SirDriftalots 0]

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

Jules279 said:

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

Question: do you even play medium TC or are you a non TC player? 

I use no TC offline, but am forced to use medium TC online because it’s so unbelievably exploitable, I need to have it to remain competitive even with drivers with a much lower skill level.

So maybe it's about your ego after all.

How so? If others can use an exploit, why can’t I?
Its advantages are many and it’s disadvantages are none, I’d be a masochist to not utilise medium TC if others can as well.

[kubakw 31]

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

Jules279 said:

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

Question: do you even play medium TC or are you a non TC player? 

I use no TC offline, but am forced to use medium TC online because it’s so unbelievably exploitable, I need to have it to remain competitive even with drivers with a much lower skill level.

So maybe it's about your ego after all.

How so? If others can use an exploit, why can’t I?
Its advantages are many and it’s disadvantages are none, I’d be a masochist to not utilise medium TC if others can as well.

It's your ego because it bothers you so much that you lose with medium TC players and it turns out that the pride of using no TC is not enough for you.

So go ahead, be constructive and propose a solution that solves YOUR problem instead of ruining fun for the others.

Just from the top of my head, would it be ok if they implemented a filter that would allow you to join only lobbies with TC off? This way people who actually mind racing with medium TC could play with TC off players exclusively, and those who don't mind could still play with anyone.

[VladimirJeger 35]

"IT'S A YOKE!!! A F****G YOKE!!!!" Medium TC is impossible to drive with now. No TC feels to have more grip than medium TC. I get you have to balance it to be slower than no TC, but you freaking ruined it. This is not wheel users game only, there are a lot of us on the pad, and God help, on a keyboard, so bring it back the way it was ASAP!!! You had 3 months to balance the TC during the beta testing and all, no one said anything about TC being OP, until some bitchy wheel users wet their pants because they felt they can't win as dominant as they did before. Well, races could've been more competitive with things as they were before this patch. REVERT MEDIUM TC!!! 

[Senna1990 0]

Faya said:

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone for your feedback about the Medium Traction Control. We've taken this back to the team for further discussion. 

are you going to aknoweldge the comments about tire overheating at all or just gonna ignore it as you have so far, not just me whos suffering with it 

[fifi25 0]

@Faya 

Please any news about the replay stuttering issue ? And about the classical cars sound issue ?

[SirDriftalots 0]

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

Jules279 said:

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

Question: do you even play medium TC or are you a non TC player? 

I use no TC offline, but am forced to use medium TC online because it’s so unbelievably exploitable, I need to have it to remain competitive even with drivers with a much lower skill level.

So maybe it's about your ego after all.

How so? If others can use an exploit, why can’t I?
Its advantages are many and it’s disadvantages are none, I’d be a masochist to not utilise medium TC if others can as well.

It's your ego because it bothers you so much that you lose with medium TC players and it turns out that the pride of using no TC is not enough for you.

So go ahead, be constructive and propose a solution that solves YOUR problem instead of ruining fun for the others.

Just from the top of my head, would it be ok if they implemented a filter that would allow you to join only lobbies with TC off? This way people who actually mind racing with medium TC could play with TC off players exclusively, and those who don't mind could still play with anyone.

I rarely play online so any implementations you’ve listed would be of no use to me.
I could always just join a non assist lobby anyways.

The perfect solution would be for the use of medium TC to have a penalty, either with added weight or with power output reduction relative to the wheelspin being reduced. Pre patch 1.05, medium TC has all the advantages of no TC, without any of the risk or with none of the penalty’s of full TC and this is what needs to be addressed.

CM obviously thought the same way, hence the ‘re balance’, however nobody could of guessed the outrage from people who have utilised this exploit to such a degree, that its removal has caused them to lose all previous levels of pace and consistency.

The fact that these same people refuse to either adapt to the new ‘re balance’, or drop the AI a few notches to suit, proves the point that it has nothing to do with accessibility and all to do with the ego attached to the difficulty they ‘race’.

[MartyHD 0]

Faya said:

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone for your feedback about the Medium Traction Control. We've taken this back to the team for further discussion. 

Just make Medium Traction Control like in F1 2017. Please.

And fix the tryres. As soon as they hit 15-17 % usage the car is slipping all over the place with playing by a pad.

[DauntingConch 0]

The patch is barely landed and people are complaining.  Why can't you give it a week, do some practice with the new medium traction control and then give some thoughts on it.

I'm surprised how many people just expect to pick up this game and be at the top of their game, have some patience, practice for more than a few hours, then comment... 

[MaYGoD666 0]

i have crash always when i play game multiplayer.... patch 1.05 not solved problem..  
my specs.: I7 6700K, Nvidia GTX 970, Ram 16GB DDR4, Motherboard Asus Hero XIII, HD SSD 250 GB

[Jules279 0]

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

Jules279 said:

SirDriftalots said:

kubakw said:

SirDriftalots said:

i mean why aren’t all the people who used medium TC just activating full TC?

What a close-minded question...  We use medium TC because it was a good balance of fun and challenge for pad users or those who don't have time to master the game. I don't care if it's quicker or not, I learned to play the game this way and it suddenly got changed. I'm so sick of no-assists players telling me how to play my career. If it bothers you so much, then go make yourself strictly no-assists lobbies and let others enjoy the game the way they want.

So you don’t use full TC because it’s slower? So you admit that the only reason your upset about medium TC being nerfed is because you’ve gotten used to using it an exploit to run lap times you don’t strictly deserve?

Whats really at play here is your ego, and not wanting to knock the AI down a few notches because you use an exploit to make you feel as if you’re much more competitive then you really are.

Question: do you even play medium TC or are you a non TC player? 

I use no TC offline, but am forced to use medium TC online because it’s so unbelievably exploitable, I need to have it to remain competitive even with drivers with a much lower skill level.

So maybe it's about your ego after all.

How so? If others can use an exploit, why can’t I?
Its advantages are many and it’s disadvantages are none, I’d be a masochist to not utilise medium TC if others can as well.

It's your ego because it bothers you so much that you lose with medium TC players and it turns out that the pride of using no TC is not enough for you.

So go ahead, be constructive and propose a solution that solves YOUR problem instead of ruining fun for the others.

Just from the top of my head, would it be ok if they implemented a filter that would allow you to join only lobbies with TC off? This way people who actually mind racing with medium TC could play with TC off players exclusively, and those who don't mind could still play with anyone.

I rarely play online so any implementations you’ve listed would be of no use to me.
I could always just join a non assist lobby anyways.

The perfect solution would be for the use of medium TC to have a penalty, either with added weight or with power output reduction relative to the wheelspin being reduced. Pre patch 1.05, medium TC has all the advantages of no TC, without any of the risk or with none of the penalty’s of full TC and this is what needs to be addressed.

CM obviously thought the same way, hence the ‘re balance’, however nobody could of guessed the outrage from people who have utilised this exploit to such a degree, that its removal has caused them to lose all previous levels of pace and consistency.

The fact that these same people refuse to either adapt to the new ‘re balance’, or drop the AI a few notches to suit, proves the point that it has nothing to do with accessibility and all to do with the ego attached to the difficulty they ‘race’.

I already explained why "drop the ai a bit" isn't a solution of the problem.

It's funny that you always saying, that our ego is the problem. But from you I only hear, that you are complaining that you aren't the fastest, because mid TC is faster than non TC. And there isn't a better explanation for ego.
I understand when you say it is unfair, but there have to be another solution. It can't be, that the majority of the players have to learn to drive with a new TC just because 10% or less are complaining because they want the fastest lap time in online mode. 

[Jules279 0]

DauntingConch said:

The patch is barely landed and people are complaining.  Why can't you give it a week, do some practice with the new medium traction control and then give some thoughts on it.

I'm surprised how many people just expect to pick up this game and be at the top of their game, have some patience, practice for more than a few hours, then comment... 

Many have to go to work or have a family to care about. They haven't the possibility to play hours and hours without break, to get used to a new TC (in mid season)

[Turtlemoose 75]

SASColfer said:

Really really disappointed with the medium TC rebalance. It was the perfect handling for me. I don't even play online, don't understand why I've got to suffer for it.

Because the online elite geeks who sit at home all day playing who don't have a proper full time job have moaned about being outdone by those on medium TC and codies have listened.

Getting ridiculous this esports thing - I could not care less about online play as I don;t want to race people like this.

[TeenierNeilb69 73]

steviejay69 said:

Kris92 said:

Does this patch fix the lag and massive frame rate drops when people leave and join multiplayer sessions, and does it also fix being kicked off the game all together at random times during a session (Xbox One)

No I got the FPS drop hard from 130 to 20 during a race this evening. Had worked great with up to 6 lag free players (all on 5 green or 4 green) and as soon as we got about 8 or 9 different cars in the lobby and it started lagging (and maybe retiring) I got the FPS drop. Will post video.

https://youtu.be/0ma2YeliEYI

Definitely coincides with people leaving the session. I was host. Even at 30fps video you can see the issue. Could reencode the clip at 60FPS, should also edit the OBS settings to record overlays.

I had very similar at Paul Ricard, I’ve post as bug under tech assistance. Mine seemed to last longer, but appeared to coincide with the winner crossimg the finish line, perhaps they promptly disconnected from lobby.