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Hello. Will Dirt Rally 2 have online mode for rally discipline?, I mean staggered starts at the very least.
The lack of online mode for rally was one of the biggest cons about the first Dirt Rally.


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I also hope so. Even though it'll be a pure rally/RX game (and I like that), I crave D3 online modes like Outbreak/Cat & Mouse/Joyride because D4 didn't have any. You know, chilling with friends. I know it'd be the eighth wonder of the world.

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eemm, please codemasters?

Are we having either proper staggered or ghosted cars in online rallies this time, or are we not?, could anyone answer please?

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@eii I'm not from Codemasters, but I can almost guarantee you that 'staggered starts' won't be a thing, assuming you're on about cars being present on the same stage at the same time and waiting a huge time between each.

However, Dirt 4 had excellent online rallies where everyone competed simultaneously - I'm not sure if ghost cars were an option or not; I would have turned it off immediately if they were - imagine having 15 ghosts on stage around you at once.

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They have not confirmed that yet. But they are listening to the community so if enough people ask for it I'm sure they will implement it, specially with the new "season base" support model. Plenty of time to fix things. In the meanwhile I hope it works as Dirt 4, just click a button a plenty of people rallying against you. 

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But they are listening to the community so if enough people
hahah yah codemasters listening to the community hahh nice joke.

Ok so they continue not to confirm anything, same Dirt Rally 1 online shit is to expect then.

And I guess that about the number of stages per country will be same lackluster as this codies have us that used to tittle after tittle.

Passing on this game. Thanks

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eii said:
But they are listening to the community so if enough people
hahah yah codemasters listening to the community hahh nice joke.

Ok so they continue not to confirm anything, same Dirt Rally 1 online **** is to expect then.

And I guess that about the number of stages per country will be same lackluster as this codies have us that used to tittle after tittle.

Passing on this game. Thanks
Ok. You're welcome. 

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eii said:
But they are listening to the community so if enough people
hahah yah codemasters listening to the community hahh nice joke.

Ok so they continue not to confirm anything, same Dirt Rally 1 online **** is to expect then.

And I guess that about the number of stages per country will be same lackluster as this codies have us that used to tittle after tittle.

Passing on this game. Thanks
Methinks you had already made up your response, bearing in mind you ignored the previous two comments. It will likely be a big step up from Dirt Rally 1's online play, which was just the 'challenges' as you mentioned - Dirt 4 has simultaneous online rallying and did it very well and we suspect that it will be a similar approach to this. Codemasters have already mentioned that they will talk more about multiplayer in Jan / Feb, so keep your eyes (and mind) open would be my suggestion.

Are they listening to the community? Yes, for sure. Does "listening to the community" mean a few people demand a change which would have HUGE implications for the engine and they're duty bound to implement it? No, it doesn't. I suspect the demand for VR is massively outweighing this, so I expect that is where they'll start.

Same number of stages per country as title after title? Dirt 4 used a tile system and had no fixed number of stages, Dirt Rally had 2/4 stages per location totalling 20-25km per location, Dirt 3 had about 10km per location. So I have no idea what you mean. It's likely to be similar to Dirt Rally 1, yes, but hardly 'title after title'. Also, when asked whether people would rather have more locations or more stages within each location, the polls on this forum were fairly split, so again, they've listened to their community and are adding new countries and a DLC scheme to be able to expand with more (so there will likely be a record number of unique kilometres for any Dirt game by the end).

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Are they listening to the community? Yes, for sure. Does "listening to the community" mean a few people demand a change which would have HUGE implications for the engine and they're duty bound to implement it? No, it doesn't. I suspect the demand for VR is massively outweighing this, so I expect that is where they'll start.
Yep. Just a few people wanted staggered starts lol. Really.
And about the usual content stage wise in codemasters games and dr1 too.., don't make me laugh come on. I've been around for so long already to know this is , precisely, biggest issue with cm games other than f1. Not to mention almost everything I've seen about dr2 stage wise is just dirt4 recicled assets at the moment.
I mean. Not sure if serious , but thanks you for taking your time replying weither way.

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eii said:
Are they listening to the community? Yes, for sure. Does "listening to the community" mean a few people demand a change which would have HUGE implications for the engine and they're duty bound to implement it? No, it doesn't. I suspect the demand for VR is massively outweighing this, so I expect that is where they'll start.
Yep. Just a few people wanted staggered starts lol. Really.
And about the usual content stage wise in codemasters games and dr1 too.., don't make me laugh come on. I've been around for so long already to know this is , precisely, biggest issue with cm games other than f1. Not to mention almost everything I've seen about dr2 stage wise is just dirt4 recicled assets at the moment.
I mean. Not sure if serious , but thanks you for taking your time replying weither way.
I must be missing the huge demand for it then, because I'm not seeing it. VR, I am doing, but not for staggered starts. Hypothetically, if you were the game designer, which aspect would you have compromised on in order to free up the processor power? Physics calculations, draw distances, stage lengths?

OK, so in DR2, we have:

RX:
- 4 'old' RX locations
- 4 completely new RX locations

Would you rather they not recycle the actual RX locations they've already modelled and are in the 2018 calendar?

Rally:
- 3 new locations sharing environments with DiRT 4 (Australia, USA, Spain)
- 3 new locations never before seen in DiRT franchise (New Zealand, Argentina, Poland)

So the only 'recycled assets' from DiRT 4 were created for a game without real stages; we now get to enjoy proper handmade stages in those environments for the first time. The other half are completely new to the series. Seeing as we've so far seen 1 Polish stage (new), 1 Spanish stage (some assets shared with Dirt 4), 1 New Zealand stage (new), 1 Argentinian stage (new), some clips from Trois Rivieres RX (new) and Silverstone RX (new), I'd politely suggest you haven't been watching closely if you think we've only seen 'dirt4 recicled [sic] assets at the moment'.

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Hypothetically, if you were the game designer, which aspect would you have compromised on in order to free up the processor power? Physics calculations, draw distances, stage lengths?
Nothing. I wouldn't compromise anything in order to achieve that. Didn't you see other cars in cmr5, dirt2 and 3?, that's it. You don't need to compromise anything on dirt rally in order to either put ghost cars over there or make it staggered starts with 8 or so cars. The engine is perfeclt capable of that we've seen before.
Processor power?, lol. Physics calculations?, related to cpu power so no problemo. Draw distances?, that would depend on your cpu/gpu and never on the game itself; and stage length.. come on man you serious



OK, so in DR2, we have:

RX:
- 4 'old' RX locations
- 4 completely new RX locations

Would you rather they not recycle the actual RX locations they've already modelled and are in the 2018 calendar?

Rally:
- 3 new locations sharing environments with DiRT 4 (Australia, USA, Spain)
- 3 new locations never before seen in DiRT franchise (New Zealand, Argentina, Poland)

So the only 'recycled assets' from DiRT 4 were created for a game without real stages; we now get to enjoy proper handmade stages in those environments for the first time. The other half are completely new to the series. Seeing as we've so far seen 1 Polish stage (new), 1 Spanish stage (some assets shared with Dirt 4), 1 New Zealand stage (new), 1 Argentinian stage (new), some clips from Trois Rivieres RX (new) and Silverstone RX (new), I'd politely suggest you haven't been watching closely if you think we've only seen 'dirt4 recicled [sic] assets at the moment'.
ok, . So now we have 3 new countries only, with probably just two long different routes each plus the usual cm shorter variations of them.
Sure that makes for a lot of new content.

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Hypothetically, if you were the game designer, which aspect would you have compromised on in order to free up the processor power? Physics calculations, draw distances, stage lengths?
Nothing. I wouldn't compromise anything in order to achieve that. Didn't you see other cars in cmr5, dirt2 and 3?, that's it. You don't need to compromise anything on dirt rally in order to either put ghost cars over there or make it staggered starts with 8 or so cars. The engine is perfeclt capable of that we've seen before.
Processor power?, lol. Physics calculations?, related to cpu power so no problemo. Draw distances?, that would depend on your cpu/gpu and never on the game itself; and stage length.. come on man you serious



OK, so in DR2, we have:

RX:
- 4 'old' RX locations
- 4 completely new RX locations

Would you rather they not recycle the actual RX locations they've already modelled and are in the 2018 calendar?

Rally:
- 3 new locations sharing environments with DiRT 4 (Australia, USA, Spain)
- 3 new locations never before seen in DiRT franchise (New Zealand, Argentina, Poland)

So the only 'recycled assets' from DiRT 4 were created for a game without real stages; we now get to enjoy proper handmade stages in those environments for the first time. The other half are completely new to the series. Seeing as we've so far seen 1 Polish stage (new), 1 Spanish stage (some assets shared with Dirt 4), 1 New Zealand stage (new), 1 Argentinian stage (new), some clips from Trois Rivieres RX (new) and Silverstone RX (new), I'd politely suggest you haven't been watching closely if you think we've only seen 'dirt4 recicled [sic] assets at the moment'.
ok, . So now we have 3 new countries only, with probably just two long different routes each plus the usual cm shorter variations of them.
Sure that makes for a lot of new content.
This dude should start a dev studio. He wouldn't make any compromises what so ever. His games would be flawless. Everything is just easy. 

Meanwhile in the real world, game design is pretty much always about compromises day in day out. 

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I think I've heard that story before. Sounds cool

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bogani said:
eii said:
Hypothetically, if you were the game designer, which aspect would you have compromised on in order to free up the processor power? Physics calculations, draw distances, stage lengths?
Nothing. I wouldn't compromise anything in order to achieve that. Didn't you see other cars in cmr5, dirt2 and 3?, that's it. You don't need to compromise anything on dirt rally in order to either put ghost cars over there or make it staggered starts with 8 or so cars. The engine is perfeclt capable of that we've seen before.
Processor power?, lol. Physics calculations?, related to cpu power so no problemo. Draw distances?, that would depend on your cpu/gpu and never on the game itself; and stage length.. come on man you serious



OK, so in DR2, we have:

RX:
- 4 'old' RX locations
- 4 completely new RX locations

Would you rather they not recycle the actual RX locations they've already modelled and are in the 2018 calendar?

Rally:
- 3 new locations sharing environments with DiRT 4 (Australia, USA, Spain)
- 3 new locations never before seen in DiRT franchise (New Zealand, Argentina, Poland)

So the only 'recycled assets' from DiRT 4 were created for a game without real stages; we now get to enjoy proper handmade stages in those environments for the first time. The other half are completely new to the series. Seeing as we've so far seen 1 Polish stage (new), 1 Spanish stage (some assets shared with Dirt 4), 1 New Zealand stage (new), 1 Argentinian stage (new), some clips from Trois Rivieres RX (new) and Silverstone RX (new), I'd politely suggest you haven't been watching closely if you think we've only seen 'dirt4 recicled [sic] assets at the moment'.
ok, . So now we have 3 new countries only, with probably just two long different routes each plus the usual cm shorter variations of them.
Sure that makes for a lot of new content.
This dude should start a dev studio. He wouldn't make any compromises what so ever. His games would be flawless. Everything is just easy. 

Meanwhile in the real world, game design is pretty much always about compromises day in day out. 
Pay more respect to the dude... He solved all the problems of game developing. We just started 2019 while he's already in 3019

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bogani said:
eii said:
Hypothetically, if you were the game designer, which aspect would you have compromised on in order to free up the processor power? Physics calculations, draw distances, stage lengths?
Nothing. I wouldn't compromise anything in order to achieve that. Didn't you see other cars in cmr5, dirt2 and 3?, that's it. You don't need to compromise anything on dirt rally in order to either put ghost cars over there or make it staggered starts with 8 or so cars. The engine is perfeclt capable of that we've seen before.
Processor power?, lol. Physics calculations?, related to cpu power so no problemo. Draw distances?, that would depend on your cpu/gpu and never on the game itself; and stage length.. come on man you serious



OK, so in DR2, we have:

RX:
- 4 'old' RX locations
- 4 completely new RX locations

Would you rather they not recycle the actual RX locations they've already modelled and are in the 2018 calendar?

Rally:
- 3 new locations sharing environments with DiRT 4 (Australia, USA, Spain)
- 3 new locations never before seen in DiRT franchise (New Zealand, Argentina, Poland)

So the only 'recycled assets' from DiRT 4 were created for a game without real stages; we now get to enjoy proper handmade stages in those environments for the first time. The other half are completely new to the series. Seeing as we've so far seen 1 Polish stage (new), 1 Spanish stage (some assets shared with Dirt 4), 1 New Zealand stage (new), 1 Argentinian stage (new), some clips from Trois Rivieres RX (new) and Silverstone RX (new), I'd politely suggest you haven't been watching closely if you think we've only seen 'dirt4 recicled [sic] assets at the moment'.
ok, . So now we have 3 new countries only, with probably just two long different routes each plus the usual cm shorter variations of them.
Sure that makes for a lot of new content.
This dude should start a dev studio. He wouldn't make any compromises what so ever. His games would be flawless. Everything is just easy. 

Meanwhile in the real world, game design is pretty much always about compromises day in day out. 
Pay more respect to the dude... He solved all the problems of game developing. We just started 2019 while he's already in 3019
I may have found a clip of him working as a game dev:

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I think point hes trying to make is are we getting enought for our $59.99 or not.Thats always a good debate and i dont know if i would ever cut anyone for doubting content and worth in a game they pay for .
In other words have Codies skimped on content through the years compared to other "sims" ?
Yes or no?  I bought all their titles, as im a huge rally fan and pickings are slim.
What does make me wonder often, is how come all these modders can come up with the likes of RBR add on tracks,at their skill levels ?AC modders can do pacenote editors and all that ? And in their free time theyre able to produce some really cool mods /tracks/cars? If they can create all that in their living room, how come its so hard to get a decent share of rally tracks in a sim ,like we want? Officially and professionally?
Again, im just thinking outloud , and IMHO it would seem we can get the selection of cars like in a SMS or Kunos title? I mean the  game engine is old ,so it would seem that content could be concentrated on .Or if we cant , then definitely make it that we can have DLCs later for sure ...............

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I will say that if there are only 2 stages per event again I will be extremely disappointed in that particular aspect. There really should be double the amount of stage miles compared to dr1. That being said it won't stop me buying the game I'll just feel that codies haven't gone as far as they should have for the people spending the money. 

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I think point hes trying to make is are we getting enought for our $59.99 or not.Thats always a good debate and i dont know if i would ever cut anyone for doubting content and worth in a game they pay for .
In other words have Codies skimped on content through the years compared to other "sims" ?
Yes or no?  I bought all their titles, as im a huge rally fan and pickings are slim.
What does make me wonder often, is how come all these modders can come up with the likes of RBR add on tracks,at their skill levels ?AC modders can do pacenote editors and all that ? And in their free time theyre able to produce some really cool mods /tracks/cars? If they can create all that in their living room, how come its so hard to get a decent share of rally tracks in a sim ,like we want? Officially and professionally?
Again, im just thinking outloud , and IMHO it would seem we can get the selection of cars like in a SMS or Kunos title? I mean the  game engine is old ,so it would seem that content could be concentrated on .Or if we cant , then definitely make it that we can have DLCs later for sure ...............
I don't doubt we could get much more stage content but it's all relative to size of the team and overall budget. Would you be willing to wait 12 months more for release for double the stage milage? Would it be financially viable? 

Someone like Patrik Marek who makes BTCC cars for AC, it's literally taking him years after years to create high quality content. 

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Is telling us that speech what you signed for in order to become a beta tester?
You have become another tool whose opinion, while as respectable as any other's, is so far from what the users want to see again from codemasters. You actually sound like one of them currently.
We don't need to be reminded the moment you run out of argumentary the "did you know how difficult making a game actually is" lecture. That's developers business, not ours. Their problem not ours. They deliver, we pay. They don't then we don't too.

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Is telling us that speech what you signed for in order to become a beta tester?
You have become another tool whose opinion, while as respectable as any other's, is so far from what the users want to see again from codemasters. You actually sound like one of them currently.
We don't need to be reminded the moment you run out of argumentary the "did you know how difficult making a game actually is" lecture. That's developers business, not ours. Their problem not ours. They deliver, we pay. They don't then we don't too.
In the end you are actually correct. If you don't think the product that they put on the table is good enough you don't buy the game. You've clearly already made your mind up about that so why keep beating a dead horse?

Our opinion far out of what the users want? Based on what? Your opinion? Can you back that up, that your own opinion mirrors what "people" want? 

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Not beating a dead horse bro, but just a user who signed up to become part of cm, and whose opinion on the matter can be trusted no more.
Do you want back up for what most of the base truly want from CM?, you have to be kidding me. You know what we want the most. Just come out your official bubble of self-entitlement; spare us the correct speech of how hard making a game is (you really takes us all for fools), and come on reddit and other sub-forums to have some good healthy reality show about what the people want from CM, which is only more simulation in the lines of dirt1, and not dirt4 recycled stuff with a stamped dr2 logo on it.
Ver few continue to trust codemasters, maybe just you and three more around here. It's been a long road already to know that they never ever listen to community, and that the last time it looked they might begin to do it was dr1. Sadly, they went dr4 afterwards, which by any means surprised anyone.

You are fun. I will give you that. What speech is coming now from such correctness. The "a company is there to make money"?, hahh

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Not beating a dead horse bro, but just a user who signed up to become part of cm, and whose opinion on the matter can be trusted no more.
Do you want back up for what most of the base truly want from CM?, you have to be kidding me. You know what we want the most. Just come out your official bubble of self-entitlement; spare us the correct speech of how hard making a game is (you really takes us all for fools), and come on reddit and other sub-forums to have some good healthy reality show about what the people want from CM, which is only more simulation in the lines of dirt1, and not dirt4 recycled stuff with a stamped dr2 logo on it.
Ver few continue to trust codemasters, maybe just you and three more around here. It's been a long road already to know that they never ever listen to community, and that the last time it looked they might begin to do it was dr1. Sadly, they went dr4 afterwards, which by any means surprised anyone.

You are fun. I will give you that. What speech is coming now from such correctness. The "a company is there to make money"?, hahh

Exactly, people want more of Dirt Rally than Dirt 4, and I will assume the majority is talking about the feeling of the cars and surfaces. That is precisely what we are getting with this.
I loved Dirt Rally despite all of its shortcomings, and didn't play Dirt 4 anywhere near as much as it just wasn't very good with lackluster stages and crippled handling. Codemasters are fully aware of what people thought of that game, hence they asked some of us to give feedback on a handling prototype for several months to make sure they got back to the feeling that made Dirt Rally a success. It evolved quite a lot during those months and if you think everybody's just been licking Codemasters arse in that forum you are wrong. 

Content will NEVER be enough. Heck, I want 20 rallies with 20 unique stages each but I understand why that is pretty much impossible. 

If they didn't use the Dirt 4 assets for 3 of the locations we wouldn't be this near release. I really don't mind as I enjoy Australia and Spain and as the stages will be real(ish) ones this time I'm excited for them. 

Would you rather wait 6-12 months longer to get something else? 

Oh, all I get from all different sub forums are NoVRNoBuy, so I guess that is what "people" want then. Although it's a very loud minority. 

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eii said:
Is telling us that speech what you signed for in order to become a beta tester?
You have become another tool whose opinion, while as respectable as any other's, is so far from what the users want to see again from codemasters. You actually sound like one of them currently.
We don't need to be reminded the moment you run out of argumentary the "did you know how difficult making a game actually is" lecture. That's developers business, not ours. Their problem not ours. They deliver, we pay. They don't then we don't too.

I'm not a beta tester.

Making stages of this quality is very difficult. It's why it's frustrated me to see them make completely new stages for DR1, for D4 and now for DR2 without reusing much. They've effectively made about 450km of unique, high quality stage in the last 4 years (not including the RX circuits), and I challenge you to name me another racing sim studio who have done the same.

But you're right, that's not of concern to us the consumer; what is is whether we feel like it's good value to us personally. Now, with your repeated refusal to take on board other opinions here it feels like you've already made your mind up about buying it or not, so I suggest you play something else for a few months then take a look at DR2 once it's been out and make your consideration again. And if it's still not your cup of tea, that's perfectly fair.

If not, then let me ask you a question: is there certain information you're looking for which will help you make that decision before launch? You've asked about multiplayer and as mentioned they've said more info will come this month. So, is there anything else?

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