To the community 'insiders' who gave CM feedback on handling etc on DR 2.0 ...

[Jcushing5 0]

... What can you tell us about the handling in 2.0 vs 1? Is it more of a simulation (with assists off)? Does it approach or surpass Richard Burns levels of simulation? (note this is a different thing to difficulty). How about the tracks, are they all wide like the NZ clip we've seen on youtube?

[nbates66 20]

Jcushing5 said:

Does it approach or surpass Richard Burns levels of simulation?

I've heard from a few places that game is actually relatively primitive but it never gets defined if people are talking about the stock game or the modified game, also probably varies a lot depending on specifically which car you're driving(modded cars).

EDIT: disclaimer- no I am not a community insider/tester and haven't seen Dirt Rally 2.0 outside of released/leaked footage.

[MrDeap 12]

Jcushing5 said:

... What can you tell us about the handling in 2.0 vs 1? Is it more of a simulation (with assists off)? Does it approach or surpass Richard Burns levels of simulation? (note this is a different thing to difficulty). How about the tracks, are they all wide like the NZ clip we've seen on youtube?

I don't trust gamers when it come for realistic driving. Especially professional sim racer. ::smile: 

It's like asking a game to be fully ray traced. It won't happen & you have to live with rasterizing. The best you can ask is for a fun model that seem plausible.

[JZStudios 585]

nbates66 said:

Jcushing5 said:

Does it approach or surpass Richard Burns levels of simulation?

I've heard from a few places that game is actually relatively primitive but it never gets defined if people are talking about the stock game or the modified game, also probably varies a lot depending on specifically which car you're driving(modded cars).

EDIT: disclaimer- no I am not a community insider/tester and haven't seen Dirt Rally 2.0 outside of released/leaked footage.

RBR mods or no is really pretty crap honestly... The only reason you might still play it is because the rally racing genre is quite small and limited, and there's a large mod database for RBR. Other than being mod friendly it doesn't have much going for it.

Other than that, I guess that depends on your definition of "simulation."
But we all agree that the physics are a pretty massive improvement over DR and D4.

[RodgerDavies 922]

Jcushing5 said:

... What can you tell us about the handling in 2.0 vs 1? Is it more of a simulation (with assists off)? Does it approach or surpass Richard Burns levels of simulation? (note this is a different thing to difficulty). How about the tracks, are they all wide like the NZ clip we've seen on youtube?

I’m not a tester, but go search YouTube for the video of the Audi in Argentina. New Zealand is famously fast, flowing and wide but that other vid will assure you that not all locations will be.

[Evilsmurf 89]

A proper simulation need way more power to run than a Console or a home PC has available. Doesn't matter what Sim you pick, someone will always find flaws in it. Pcars, AC, Iracing… the list goes on and on. I guess their will always have to be a trade off some ware in the simulation.

That said, If you thought DiRT Rally was good, then your gonna love this! It's a big improvement over DiRT Rally :) and that wasn't half bad ;) 

[Jcushing5 0]

Super responses, thanks everyone for being positive on this!

I'm really optimistic now - I think those videos on youtube are doing a bit of a disservice to the game because of that NZ stage and the youtube compression does not flatter the graphics!

And to be honest, I actually think DR 1 has better physics than RBR. It's a higher resolution input and track surface, and it's completely convincing. And unlike RBR, it's very playable with a controller. I am really just hoping for more of the same, but with any improvements possible!

[twisted 8]

Jcushing5 said:

And unlike RBR, it's very playable with a controller. 

Don't know where you take that from, I've played RBR for 10 years on a keyboard without any difficulty  :)

[twisted 8]

JZStudios said:

RBR mods or no is really pretty **** honestly... The only reason you might still play it is because the rally racing genre is quite small and limited

That is a very subjective and harsh opinion my friend. I've been religiously part of this community for years amongst hundreds of players. Maybe you haven't tried all the mods out there!? Sure the vanilla game was bad, but the modded game is ton better, in fact, the physics model calculations (made by Eero Pitulainen and later perfected by rueda which is a mechanical engineer and lately the ngp physics mod) is probably more advanced than DiRT Rally.

That doesn't mean the overall experience is more fun or realistic (nor DiRT Rally is), but this game still have a special place in the heart of a lot of rally gaming enthusiasts. So much people cannot be wrong. I can't help whenever I see a comment like that to reply because it just seems you haven't played the game enough to do it justice. Old doesn't mean bad.

If you like DiRT Rally it's impossible to hate RBR physics, they're so much close to one another. Braking distance in RBR is much more realistic, as well as the suspension model and aero. The gravel sound when sliding give better cue when losing grip, etc. There is so much more to it than just saying it's shit. You're doing yourself a disservice by saying that. It do things right where DiRT Rally doesn't and vice versa. DiRT Rally have a better tire model in my opinion and simulate FWD better. RBR wasn't supporting RWD at launch. That is all things to consider...

Overall, I would say RBR physics have a slight advantage over DR mainly because of the suspension model in my opinion. To each is own but a little more open minded rather that saying it's shit without valid arguments would help giving your statement credibility.

Have a nice day!

[Madhun1967 49]

NEVER forget in 2004 trying to beat the rally school in RBR in the Impreza.Was sooooo  challenging and fun ,and it took you awhile to get good.Hope its like that in Dirt 2.0

[dgeesi0 295]

helped with the handling testing. lots of effort has been put in to make it Dirt rally 2.0 .

RBR wasnt realistic. i dont get why people think it is it was just hard for the sake of it. people often mistake hard with realistic.  i played it quite a bit with mods wasnt realstic or as good as Dirt rally. period. no matter what mods it just isnt. ive driven some of the cars real life nothing like rbr. or very little alike.

the handling for Dirt rally 2.0 is coming together nicely. better than Dirt 4 different to dirt rally 1 in my opinion. we have had a limited amount of content to try so you cant base too much at the moment as you will obviously need all the criteria before judging fairly. looking forward to the release.

[gheeD 15]

dgeesi0 said:

RBR wasnt realistic. i dont get why people think it is it was just hard for the sake of it. people often mistake hard with realistic.  i played it quite a bit with mods wasnt realstic or as good as Dirt rally. period. no matter what mods it just isnt. ive driven some of the cars real life nothing like rbr. or very little alike.

Getting tired of these RBR hate trains with zero actual knowledge of the fact. Can you state what mods you have tried and when? 

[dgeesi0 295]

played it since it came out. its not a hate train the games fun. realistic no.tried many mods. just because my opinion differs from yours dont assume i have zero knowledge. thats a assumption. we just differ in opinion. you like it, i dont think its great. nothing wrong with that. look at both perspectives. not everyone likes the same things.

only reason i commented on it because like many older games they are always better rose tinted glasses and all. when infact they arent.

[Madhun1967 49]

dgeesi0 said:

helped with the handling testing. lots of effort has been put in to make it Dirt rally 2.0 .

RBR wasnt realistic. i dont get why people think it is it was just hard for the sake of it. people often mistake hard with realistic.  i played it quite a bit with mods wasnt realstic or as good as Dirt rally. period. no matter what mods it just isnt. ive driven some of the cars real life nothing like rbr. or very little alike.

the handling for Dirt rally 2.0 is coming together nicely. better than Dirt 4 different to dirt rally 1 in my opinion. we have had a limited amount of content to try so you cant base too much at the moment as you will obviously need all the criteria before judging fairly. looking forward to the release.

did you make this statement that RBR not realistic in 2004? what you base it on??????? its just your opinion,i think.lol , for sure not much has come close to beating it since then in the rally 'sim" world....................

[Madhun1967 49]

IMHO , the MK2 "looks" -cause I cant test yet - too snappy for a FWD on gravel.Sorry I hope its just the vid and the extensive use of handbrake by John.

[gheeD 15]

I ask you to say what mods you have played to understand your opinion of it. 

[KevM 44]

Madhun1967 said:

IMHO , the MK2 "looks" -cause I cant test yet - too snappy for a FWD on gravel.Sorry I hope its just the vid and the extensive use of handbrake by John.

I’m quite sure it is. Jon is very precise and doesn’t drive like the rest of us could or would.

From what I have felt, you are going to like FWD.  My preference is RWD as everyone knows.  During testing, the change in the FWD cars impressed me possibly the most.

[dgeesi0 295]

Madhun1967 said:

dgeesi0 said:

helped with the handling testing. lots of effort has been put in to make it Dirt rally 2.0 .

RBR wasnt realistic. i dont get why people think it is it was just hard for the sake of it. people often mistake hard with realistic.  i played it quite a bit with mods wasnt realstic or as good as Dirt rally. period. no matter what mods it just isnt. ive driven some of the cars real life nothing like rbr. or very little alike.

the handling for Dirt rally 2.0 is coming together nicely. better than Dirt 4 different to dirt rally 1 in my opinion. we have had a limited amount of content to try so you cant base too much at the moment as you will obviously need all the criteria before judging fairly. looking forward to the release.

did you make this statement that RBR not realistic in 2004? what you base it on??????? its just your opinion,i think.lol , for sure not much has come close to beating it since then in the rally 'sim" world....................

if you like rbr, like it. others dont. it isnt realistic. at all. i have driven many of the cars in real life that are in the game same with dirt rally. thats how i know its not realistic . so its not just a " hate train " its just it isnt realistic. its a great fun game. just dont get that mixed up with realistic. if you cant take a simple opinion about something then why even debate or reply ? its obvious others wont share the opinion. rbr or rally sims always comes up. its a tiring debate mostly by people who have learned silly mechanics of how rbr plays over many years. then think thats realistic. when it isnt you just learned to play a game. you dont need to reply or others dont my opinion wont change just like others who like rbr or think its the best game ever. nothing wrong with that i played it a lot enjoy it for fun.

[Madhun1967 49]

hard to define realistic and for most , reality will be all different.We had , for years sims tested and driven before being released by real life drivers and celebrities.still , lot of "sims" dont feel right to others and it will be always like that.

All I was saying is that back then and now , RBR was excellent.And...........nothing came close to it,dont forget

[ShodanCat 231]

Everyone's got an opinion but calling RBR not realistic at all is just plain silly.

[Madhun1967 49]

CORRECT ^^^^^^^^^^^  rbr did SOOOOO MANY THINGS RIGHT ,ESPECIALLY FOR ITS TIME .

You WERE able to "set" the car up for a corner, felt the weight ,and especially after all the mods it was and is excellent representation of how you drive a car.IMHO :)

tarmac did lack a bit , but was still 'white knuckle " through the stages.

[MrDeap 12]

dgeesi0 said:

played it since it came out. its not a hate train the games fun. realistic no.tried many mods. just because my opinion differs from yours dont assume i have zero knowledge. thats a assumption. we just differ in opinion. you like it, i dont think its great. nothing wrong with that. look at both perspectives. not everyone likes the same things.

only reason i commented on it because like many older games they are always better rose tinted glasses and all. when infact they arent.

The car in my driveway oversteer more than the virtual rwd car. People like to assume I have 0 knowledge, just because I use a Prius. Users need to be more open to different opinions, because there are times it's beyond obvious. :D

[JZStudios 585]

jayp666 said:

JZStudios said:

RBR mods or no is really pretty **** honestly... The only reason you might still play it is because the rally racing genre is quite small and limited

That is a very subjective and harsh opinion my friend. I've been religiously part of this community for years amongst hundreds of players. Maybe you haven't tried all the mods out there!? Sure the vanilla game was bad, but the modded game is ton better, in fact, the physics model calculations (made by Eero Pitulainen and later perfected by rueda which is a mechanical engineer and lately the ngp physics mod) is probably more advanced than DiRT Rally.

That doesn't mean the overall experience is more fun or realistic (nor DiRT Rally is), but this game still have a special place in the heart of a lot of rally gaming enthusiasts. So much people cannot be wrong. I can't help whenever I see a comment like that to reply because it just seems you haven't played the game enough to do it justice. Old doesn't mean bad.

If you like DiRT Rally it's impossible to hate RBR physics, they're so much close to one another. Braking distance in RBR is much more realistic, as well as the suspension model and aero. The gravel sound when sliding give better cue when losing grip, etc. There is so much more to it than just saying it's ****. You're doing yourself a disservice by saying that. It do things right where DiRT Rally doesn't and vice versa. DiRT Rally have a better tire model in my opinion and simulate FWD better. RBR wasn't supporting RWD at launch. That is all things to consider...

Overall, I would say RBR physics have a slight advantage over DR mainly because of the suspension model in my opinion. To each is own but a little more open minded rather that saying it's **** without valid arguments would help giving your statement credibility.

Have a nice day!

Good god, no I haven't tried all the mods. But I did try the Vanilla game, which appropriately felt very old, and I tried the biggest, most popular mods that people talk up. Taking something from bad to "better" doesn't make it good. XD

I also never claimed that DiRT Rally was the pinnacle, and it's not a sim. RBR just isn't very good and the only people who disagree are the people who've been playing it for 10 years like... well, you. ;) Anyone who comes to it from a modern standpoint thinks it's pretty mediocre and only really worth the mods. It's not because it's old, it's because it's not very good. So to say that DR, a frankly bizarre game in terms of physics simulates things better than the "King" of rally games RBR kind of proves my point.

I did not find RBR to be very realistic, immersive, or intuitive in any way, and again any modern player who isn't blinded by nostalgia agrees. GTR2 was also once king of the crop, but that crown has long been since taken. RBR is a decent kind of arcade game though I guess, I sure didn't find it very fun though.

I'd also like that I made an opinionated statement, not an argument, and as such reasoning isn't needed. Any physics mods of RBR just fiddle with some numbers already present, they don't actually rewrite any code to simulate things more accurately... there's a lot of reasons it's not very good and I'm not getting into it.

Madhun1967 said:

NEVER forget in 2004 trying to beat the rally school in RBR in the Impreza.Was sooooo  challenging and fun ,and it took you awhile to get good.Hope its like that in Dirt 2.0

Maybe it was in 2004, but I did it pretty quickly and easily when I tried it a year or so ago. Again, nostalgia. People also loved the original Driver's opening challenge, and it's been replicated as a reference in a few driving games over the years.

Madhun1967 said:

dgeesi0 said:

helped with the handling testing. lots of effort has been put in to make it Dirt rally 2.0 .

RBR wasnt realistic. i dont get why people think it is it was just hard for the sake of it. people often mistake hard with realistic.  i played it quite a bit with mods wasnt realstic or as good as Dirt rally. period. no matter what mods it just isnt. ive driven some of the cars real life nothing like rbr. or very little alike.

the handling for Dirt rally 2.0 is coming together nicely. better than Dirt 4 different to dirt rally 1 in my opinion. we have had a limited amount of content to try so you cant base too much at the moment as you will obviously need all the criteria before judging fairly. looking forward to the release.

did you make this statement that RBR not realistic in 2004? what you base it on??????? its just your opinion,i think.lol , for sure not much has come close to beating it since then in the rally 'sim" world....................

Being the "Best" of something simply because there's nothing else on the market also doesn't make it very impressive. XD

gheeD said:

I ask you to say what mods you have played to understand your opinion of it. 

Both Me and Dgeesi0 played it around the same time, and I'm assuming we both tried the vanilla and the popular mods. He clearly stated with the mods it's not very good.

ShodanCat said:

Everyone's got an opinion but calling RBR not realistic at all is just plain silly.

RBR is "Realistic" like DR is "authentic"
Neither is a sim.

[Madhun1967 49]

the cars for 2004 did have weight/inertia  and I remember how involved the design of the game was when getting into physics arguments before release in the forums.

It really was just fun,and drove like a real car with 4 wheels and 2500 lbs.No it wasn't perfect.I really just enjoyed something out of its physics engine and its not replicated in the Dirt series.

Maybe it was just the better suspension model I picked up on

[twisted 8]

JZStudios said: 

RBR is a decent kind of arcade game though I guess

Sorry but you completely lost me there.