To the community 'insiders' who gave CM feedback on handling etc on DR 2.0 ...

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

Sooo, back on topic.

What questions did you have?  I thoroughly enjoyed the handling testing, so much more effort and perhaps thought has been put into DR2.0 and i'm really looking forward to the game.

[bogani 756]

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Sooo, back on topic.

What questions did you have?  I thoroughly enjoyed the handling testing, so much more effort and perhaps thought has been put into DR2.0 and i'm really looking forward to the game.

Fully agree! Some cool cars coming as well  B)

[Jcushing5 0]

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Sooo, back on topic.

What questions did you have?  I thoroughly enjoyed the handling testing, so much more effort and perhaps thought has been put into DR2.0 and i'm really looking forward to the game.

Great! Tell us what you can about the realism in general, and vs DR1 please. Is there a higher-resolution feel to the tracks, ie small bumps, camber, ruts etc - do they affect the steering noticeably? Any un-natural turning, ie does the weight and momentum of cars feel realistic? Do you still fly after jumps like DR1? Any other comments/observations? Thanks! 

[Madhun1967 51]

What I would like yo know is what and how was reworked physics/handling wise for 2.0?

Are the different diffs all modelled?

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

Jcushing5 said:

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Sooo, back on topic.

What questions did you have?  I thoroughly enjoyed the handling testing, so much more effort and perhaps thought has been put into DR2.0 and i'm really looking forward to the game.

Great! Tell us what you can about the realism in general, and vs DR1 please. Is there a higher-resolution feel to the tracks, ie small bumps, camber, ruts etc - do they affect the steering noticeably? Any un-natural turning, ie does the weight and momentum of cars feel realistic? Do you still fly after jumps like DR1? Any other comments/observations? Thanks! 

Good realism in general.  Much better than DR.
We have only been testing handling, not stages.
No unnatural turning, good weight transfer, things feel realistic.  I didn't detect unnatural flight capabilities.

There is an element of steering RWD cars with the throttle that was absent in comparison from DR that I really like.

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

Madhun1967 said:

What I would like yo know is what and how was reworked physics/handling wise for 2.0?

Are the different diffs all modelled?

Everything was looked at and tweaked.

[SamRWD 2]

If anyone remembers heated physics topics on both DR1 and D4, you might remember one loud guy who was complaining a lot- that guy was me. So I know it doesn't mean much, but I was probably the most skeptical member of this forums. That being said after seeing what we've been shown I must confess- I am convinced. I don't know yet how close to perfection are physics going to be, but it is night and day compared to DR and D4. Everyone praising Dirtfish physics will not be disappointed IMHO (EDIT: I mean apart from three VR users).

[KevM 44]

What I would advise, is to stock up on these.....    :D :p

[Ruben Correa Alves 28]

Indicators? Open world rally game confirmed! "4-left into 3 right, or left, you decide." :smile:

[DocStrangelove 165]

Areyouben said:

Indicators? Open world rally game confirmed! "4-left into 3 right, or left, you decide." :smile:

"cut into stone wall for extra points"

[JZStudios 631]

KevM said:

What I would advise, is to stock up on these.....    :D :p

Oh man, took me a second to recognize those, thought at first it was these:

If by any chance you don't know what those are... lucky you, because along with those craptastic Valentines hard heart candy things, they make up Satans candy shop.
Everyone hates them, but somehow they still make millions every year.

[zeroundersteer 2]

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Jcushing5 said:

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Sooo, back on topic.

What questions did you have?  I thoroughly enjoyed the handling testing, so much more effort and perhaps thought has been put into DR2.0 and i'm really looking forward to the game.

Great! Tell us what you can about the realism in general, and vs DR1 please. Is there a higher-resolution feel to the tracks, ie small bumps, camber, ruts etc - do they affect the steering noticeably? Any un-natural turning, ie does the weight and momentum of cars feel realistic? Do you still fly after jumps like DR1? Any other comments/observations? Thanks! 

Good realism in general.  Much better than DR.
We have only been testing handling, not stages.
No unnatural turning, good weight transfer, things feel realistic.  I didn't detect unnatural flight capabilities.

There is an element of steering RWD cars with the throttle that was absent in comparison from DR that I really like.

Realistic braking distances?

Less low speed grip? 

[bogani 756]

zeroundersteer said:

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Jcushing5 said:

F2CMaDMaXX said:

Sooo, back on topic.

What questions did you have?  I thoroughly enjoyed the handling testing, so much more effort and perhaps thought has been put into DR2.0 and i'm really looking forward to the game.

Great! Tell us what you can about the realism in general, and vs DR1 please. Is there a higher-resolution feel to the tracks, ie small bumps, camber, ruts etc - do they affect the steering noticeably? Any un-natural turning, ie does the weight and momentum of cars feel realistic? Do you still fly after jumps like DR1? Any other comments/observations? Thanks! 

Good realism in general.  Much better than DR.
We have only been testing handling, not stages.
No unnatural turning, good weight transfer, things feel realistic.  I didn't detect unnatural flight capabilities.

There is an element of steering RWD cars with the throttle that was absent in comparison from DR that I really like.

Realistic braking distances?

Less low speed grip? 

Without numbers and calculations it's hard to claim them to be absolutely realistic, but definately thereabouts. 

Yes, less low speed grip. 

It's important to understand that there might have been small tweaks to things from the last build we've tested, so we can only judge what we've tested last. It might be in a different state right now. 

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

Yeah, I always used to have a problem keeping the wheels spinning round hairpins and just end up bogging down, both engine and in lateral movement.

Used to.

[ShodanCat 231]

Ultimately I think the single most important question is whether Codies will continue to listen to feedback on p physics/handling after launch, or if it's just going to be "that'll do" (aside from DLC releases.)

[dwkGravey 0]

ShodanCat said:

Ultimately I think the single most important question is whether Codies will continue to listen to feedback on p physics/handling after launch, or if it's just going to be "that'll do" (aside from DLC releases.)

The thing is, would it be economical for them to update an existing game, or save it for a new game?

I think the answer to your question is apparent, that CM did listen to all of the feedback on D4 (and DR) otherwise we wouldn't be looking at DR2 right now. If, for the sake of argument, DR2 needs post-launch changes, then CM would have to balance the cost of making those changes with the potential return. If within the couple of months they've already sold the majority of units they expect to, then post-launch fixes could cost a lot of money with not much return (no one who's bought the game and demands fixes is going to buy the game again). So they might hold on to that feedback until they can invest it in the next title, where they'll be able to recoup that investment by selling a new game.

[F2CMaDMaXX 505]

How a product is supported post launch is usually decided before release.
I think CM are well aware how that has worked for the last two titles and what people are saying and wanted.

That much is clear based on them announcing planned DLC.  It would be ammiss to think they wouldn't already be planning on using the servicing plan to patch as well.

[KevM 44]

ShodanCat said:

Ultimately I think the single most important question is whether Codies will continue to listen to feedback on p physics/handling after launch, or if it's just going to be "that'll do" (aside from DLC releases.)

I honestly think it’s more a case of refining a good setup now, rather than needing a complete overhaul.  The potential I have seen in the past few months has astonished me to be honest.  I’m not 100% sure what will end up making the final cut, but DiRT Rally only really seemed to scratch the surface of what Ego can still do

[Riggs 1,668]

Despite DiRT Rally having its own issues, people begged for paid DLC. I'm sure theres space for a DLC business model here as there's plenty of work to be done in the game and pretty ways to make money.
Either be it from adding cars, to adding rallies and their stages, co-pilot voice packs, etc. If the core is good like DiRT Rally was, people will want more of it and that's where they can make their money with paid DLC releases, similar to what was done in Early Access in terms of phasing. They should also keep in contact with the community as well, like DR's EA.

[Jcushing5 0]

Everyone praising Dirtfish physics will not be disappointed IMHO

Ermm... is this the rally school in Dirt 4? I never played that game, but I am led to believe the physics in Dirt 4 were a big step backwards from Dirt Rally...

[RodgerDavies 933]

Jcushing5 said:

Everyone praising Dirtfish physics will not be disappointed IMHO

Ermm... is this the rally school in Dirt 4? I never played that game, but I am led to believe the physics in Dirt 4 were a big step backwards from Dirt Rally...

Some things can't be covered with a binary statement. The 4WD physics were an improvement in many areas, the RWD were a step back (although there is conjecture that this may be partially down to setup). The cars also had a much better feeling of 'weight'.

[SamAWD 0]

Jcushing5 said:

Everyone praising Dirtfish physics will not be disappointed IMHO

Ermm... is this the rally school in Dirt 4? I never played that game, but I am led to believe the physics in Dirt 4 were a big step backwards from Dirt Rally...

Dirt Fish seemed to use a bit different handling (or maybe it wasn't using hidden assists) than rally stages. DR's handling was bad IMHO (I know it is a very unpopular opinion on this forums), D4 got some areas better, but some much worse than DR. Not worth getting into that- DR2 seems to include improvements that community came to wish for after long discussions here on forums.

[bogani 756]

SamAWD said:

Jcushing5 said:

Everyone praising Dirtfish physics will not be disappointed IMHO

Ermm... is this the rally school in Dirt 4? I never played that game, but I am led to believe the physics in Dirt 4 were a big step backwards from Dirt Rally...

Dirt Fish seemed to use a bit different handling (or maybe it wasn't using hidden assists) than rally stages. DR's handling was bad IMHO (I know it is a very unpopular opinion on this forums), D4 got some areas better, but some much worse than DR. Not worth getting into that- DR2 seems to include improvements that community came to wish for after long discussions here on forums.

I just think that gravel setup and tires just went very well on the type of broken tarmac that Dirtfish had on it. Most of the cars actually felt very natural to drive there.

The main issue was the gravel tire behavior on gravel. 

[Riggs 1,668]

One thing I particularly liked about D4 were the physics on tarmac. The cars on tarmac drove better than in DR. I'm not saying it was perfect in D4, but if they took D4's tarmac physics and worked on top of them for DR2.0 that would be good news.

[RodgerDavies 933]

AIPacino said:

One thing I particularly liked about D4 were the physics on tarmac. The cars on tarmac drove better than in DR. I'm not saying it was perfect in D4, but if they took D4's tarmac physics and worked on top of them for DR2.0 that would be good news.

Agree that they were a step forward; my frustration with tarmac was the setting of Spain - personally I don't think the wide flowing highways represent tarmac rallying very well. Hopefully the Spanish stage they're making for DR2 has plenty of narrow bits and junctions. Germany was better IMO, but Panzerplatte doesn't really showcase a more typical event like Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Switzerland or Czech Republic would do.