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Hello,

As you may as well have gathered I have epilepsy and therefore my seizures are tonic-clonic and I take Lamotrigine to keep them under control, but one of my triggers is flashing lights. 

Today I was racing online at Canada and throughout the first lap I managed to complete before I had an episode there were massive white lights flashing in front of me on the track, in the grandstand, covering my entire screen as if someone had a flash on their camera the size of the sun. 

As far as I’m aware there are no warnings or safety standards when it comes to epilepsy with this game and therefore I thought I’d be able to play it, safely. I’ve been playing Formula 1 games for years and this is the first time anything like this has happened. 

Has anybody else experienced this obvious glitch/bug? 
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I have read warnings on games for PS/PS2 that say that playing video games can cause epileptic seizures.I have had epilepsy for over 40 years and have been playing video games since pong and have never had a game trigger a seizure.I have never seen these massive white lights you describe either.I play F1 2018 on a PC.What platform do you play on?

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I have read warnings on games for PS/PS2 that say that playing video games can cause epileptic seizures.I have had epilepsy for over 40 years and have been playing video games since pong and have never had a game trigger a seizure.I have never seen these massive white lights you describe either.I play F1 2018 on a PC.What platform do you play on?
I play on Xbox currently, I have done for 17 years. I’m not sure if it helps but the race was wet, maybe that’s a reason for it? 

The white lights I’m talking about, it started in turn 2 at Canada, a massive white light would appear that covers the screen, then it’d quickly start getting denser and smaller, all the while veering off into the crowd/tyre barrier, it continued to happen on every subsequent corner. It reminded me of a slow strobe light or a massive bolt of white lightning.

I’ve been gaming for 20 years since the n64 and this is the first seizure I’ve ever had from a video game. 
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Since I play mostly racing games, I've read that warning about epileptic seizures I think on The Crew. It should be a standard warning on all video racing game IMO.  

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Sorry for the tag, but this is actually pretty important @Faya @Hoo @Hargers

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Page 2 of the e-manual

https://www.dropbox.com/s/62xlu9op9hnwhe1/F12018_DigMan_PC_UKV_v2a.pdf?dl=0

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Page 2 of the e-manual

https://www.dropbox.com/s/62xlu9op9hnwhe1/F12018_DigMan_PC_UKV_v2a.pdf?dl=0
Why dropbox instead of the actual link? https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/737800/manuals/F12018_DigMan_PC_UKV_v2a.pdf Also both of these are for the PC version.
Anyways in this case the epilepsy was apparently caused by a bug, so of course it should be taken a look at.


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Think you’ll find every game has an epilepsy warning. The PS1 games did for sure back then so will be now. 

What you’re describing though is something similar I saw in 2017. I was in Austria and rode the kerb a bit hard and a white bar just shot through my car. 

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Page 2 of the e-manual

https://www.dropbox.com/s/62xlu9op9hnwhe1/F12018_DigMan_PC_UKV_v2a.pdf?dl=0
Why dropbox instead of the actual link? https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/737800/manuals/F12018_DigMan_PC_UKV_v2a.pdf Also both of these are for the PC version.
Anyways in this case the epilepsy was apparently caused by a bug, so of course it should be taken a look at.


Yeah I wouldn't get excited about console versions not having a warning. Pretty sure all the boxed games I ever bought did. If your console digital platform doesn't directly give you a warning when downloading it's probably a blanket warning that you got with the console IF it was bought new.

If the bug is the cause of the glitch that triggers a seizure, you'd have to be able to replicate it.

It was a dropbox link because I knew where it was rather than finding the web link from wherever I grabbed it from thinking it might be useful.

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The risks are real for sure, but that full screen flash at the start sounds glitchy, worth writing up a report to technical support with as much info as you can. There are FPS issues already which might not help but on PS4 Pro I've not experienced a full screen flash, just little crowd flashes, like camera flash effects.

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Dont know about the xbox but the ps4 has a warning about it as soon as you start the console up.
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Most consoles & games have warnings, but it doesn't mean that we should not report a bug that caused someone to have seizure because "there is a warning".

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Seeing as there are many comments about the epilepsy warnings I should perhaps clarify something. I purchased the game digitally via the Xbox store and on the store page there are no warnings in regards to epilepsy. I was expecting a warning when you start up the game before you get to the start screen but alas there aren’t any as far as I can see.

I realise these two games are extremely different, but for comparison/example I purchased The Division via the exact same method and on starting that game up there is indeed an epilepsy warning before you reach the start screen, I couldn’t see a epilepsy warning on the Xbox store though. Lastly I checked both games respective websites, Ubisoft do not list an epilepsy warning on The Division FAQ/Support as far as I can see, but there is one in-game so to me that’s fine, yet Codemasters do not list one on their website or in-game as far as I can see and as a comment on here points out the only warning that seems to exist for F1 2018 is the one found in the Steam e-Book, as I do not play it on PC there is no possible way I would of known this.

(I only spent a brief 10 minutes before work researching all this, so I may of missed something and if I have please point it out) 

However, it is good to see that I’m not just imagining things and that other people (who hopefully don’t have epilepsy) have seen the glitch/bug I’m talking about, but not to the same degree of severity I have experienced myself. 

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Just out of interest, if someone could answer for me.
When a game causes a fit do the visual effects confine them selves to a screen for example or vision as a whole. I always thought it will effect all of your vision rather than a certain portion of it. Interesting if it is that the cauce can just be the part that is effected. What happens if you look away? Sorry if I am making a really complex condition way to simple, I don't mean any offence

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Just out of interest, if someone could answer for me.
When a game causes a fit do the visual effects confine them selves to a screen for example or vision as a whole. I always thought it will effect all of your vision rather than a certain portion of it. Interesting if it is that the cauce can just be the part that is effected. What happens if you look away? Sorry if I am making a really complex condition way to simple, I don't mean any offence
You could always use the internet to educate yourself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosensitive_epilepsy

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Its very hard to explain what I see sometimes but, when there is a lot of black/white or at minimum dark/light colors on kerbs it causes a strobe effect. and my eyes will I guess "un-focus" and everything goes extremely bright around my peripheral vision, even if I'm sitting sitting in a dark room and the game brightness is pretty low. Games are weird like that.

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Thanks for explaining Fractured. Appreciate you taking the time to answer. Unlike others with Google it as a response

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Hi there @ObiWanMaHomie,

Thanks for reporting this. We are investigating to see if we can identify what might have caused any problematic flashing in the game. Any extra information you can give us would be super useful. Could you let me know as much of the following as possible;

  • You said you are on Xbox One, correct? Which Xbox One console version do you have?
  • Could you let me know what the weather setting and time of day it was on the track please?
  • Which car were you driving and which camera view do you use?
  • Do you know what resolution you were playing the game at?
  • Can you let me know the make and model of your TV/Monitor?
  • Did you have any network issues in the session?
  • Did you have HDR or any other lighting effects are enabled on either the console or TV?

Thanks for all your help,


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Faya said:

Hi there @ObiWanMaHomie,

Thanks for reporting this. We are investigating to see if we can identify what might have caused any problematic flashing in the game. Any extra information you can give us would be super useful. Could you let me know as much of the following as possible;

  • You said you are on Xbox One, correct? Which Xbox One console version do you have?
  • Could you let me know what the weather setting and time of day it was on the track please?
  • Which car were you driving and which camera view do you use?
  • Do you know what resolution you were playing the game at?
  • Can you let me know the make and model of your TV/Monitor?
  • Did you have any network issues in the session?
  • Did you have HDR or any other lighting effects are enabled on either the console or TV?

Thanks for all your help,


I am finding the effort put into resolving an non-issue (affecting statistically 1 in 4000) when CM can't seemingly fix issues that effect 4000 in 4000 actually playing tha game.

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Faya said:

Hi there @ObiWanMaHomie,

Thanks for reporting this. We are investigating to see if we can identify what might have caused any problematic flashing in the game. Any extra information you can give us would be super useful. Could you let me know as much of the following as possible;

  • You said you are on Xbox One, correct? Which Xbox One console version do you have?
  • Could you let me know what the weather setting and time of day it was on the track please?
  • Which car were you driving and which camera view do you use?
  • Do you know what resolution you were playing the game at?
  • Can you let me know the make and model of your TV/Monitor?
  • Did you have any network issues in the session?
  • Did you have HDR or any other lighting effects are enabled on either the console or TV?

Thanks for all your help,


Hi Faya,

I’ll provide you with as much information as I possibly can. 

• I own the Xbox One X console 

• I was playing late at night, around 3-4am. It was an online lobby, the weather conditions were light rain and eventually leading into a dry race. The track in question was Canada.

• The car I was driving was the Ferrari and the camera settings were t-cam offset.

• I was playing at 4K resolution (3840x2160p) 

• The make of my television is a Samsung Ultra HD 4K Smart TV, but I’m not sure about what model exactly, it is curved and 50" if that makes any difference.

• As far as I could tell there were no lag issues, I couldn’t use a mic though as it was disabled to improve gameplay but that’s all I’m aware of. 

• I had HDR mode enabled, Automotion Plus enabled (judder reduction 10 and LED clear motion set to off) with High Dynamic Range at high, but that’s it.

You're welcome, thank you for taking the time to look into this. 

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You say light rain leading to dry, so perhaps the sun coming through the clouds led to an exaggerated bloom effect? Did the effect only happen at 1 position with respect to the sky?
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You guys I have two family memebers who have epilepsy and these strange lights that you saw can be the start of the seizure (and not actually on the screen).  Im presuming that from your statement you have had seizures previously whilst gaming just not F1.  I’m sorry this is the case but you should avoid all games as ANY game could trigger your seizures.  I appreciate this isn’t going to be what you want to hear however you need to be speaking to your doctor / specialist about your seizures and not a gaming forum

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Also seizures can be brought on by so many reasons that you could have just been due one and it not be related to the game / screen

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Faya said:

Hi there @ObiWanMaHomie,

Thanks for reporting this. We are investigating to see if we can identify what might have caused any problematic flashing in the game. Any extra information you can give us would be super useful. Could you let me know as much of the following as possible;

  • You said you are on Xbox One, correct? Which Xbox One console version do you have?
  • Could you let me know what the weather setting and time of day it was on the track please?
  • Which car were you driving and which camera view do you use?
  • Do you know what resolution you were playing the game at?
  • Can you let me know the make and model of your TV/Monitor?
  • Did you have any network issues in the session?
  • Did you have HDR or any other lighting effects are enabled on either the console or TV?

Thanks for all your help,


Hi Faya,

I’ll provide you with as much information as I possibly can. 

• I own the Xbox One X console 

• I was playing late at night, around 3-4am. It was an online lobby, the weather conditions were light rain and eventually leading into a dry race. The track in question was Canada.

• The car I was driving was the Ferrari and the camera settings were t-cam offset.

• I was playing at 4K resolution (3840x2160p) 

• The make of my television is a Samsung Ultra HD 4K Smart TV, but I’m not sure about what model exactly, it is curved and 50" if that makes any difference.

• As far as I could tell there were no lag issues, I couldn’t use a mic though as it was disabled to improve gameplay but that’s all I’m aware of. 

• I had HDR mode enabled, Automotion Plus enabled (judder reduction 10 and LED clear motion set to off) with High Dynamic Range at high, but that’s it.

You're welcome, thank you for taking the time to look into this. 
If you mean you were playing your console at 3 or 4am on a HDR TV (high contrast with 'true' black) with no ambient lighting then I really think you should be looking at lifestyle choices rather than looking for someone to blame.

Research conducted on presence with HDTV and other higher resolution formats that use a wide field display, has revealed that sometimes the feeling of presence can be too real, producing physiological effect that some viewers may find undesirable. Subjects have reported experiencing an increase in symptoms that are common to motion sickness when viewing strong visual stimuli on large screens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_HDTV_viewing_distance#Manufacturers'_recommendations 

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