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What other options did they have, realistically? I thought they were very limited. 

Thing is, I don't think Kvyat is bad at all, he is talented enough to warrant a seat. But like you said Hughsey, if he isn't ever going to get back to red bull it's pointless. But I think if he performs well be can get back there, the Kvyat we saw at Toro Rosso in his first season was worthy of a bigger move so there's no reason he can't rekindle that. 
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For Kvyat, at this point it's just about getting on to the grid. For Toro Rosso, it's filling up a gap until someone like Ticktum is ready. I do wonder how Buemi would've done, but whatever, I don't really care that much now that Toro Rosso didn't had exciting options to choose from to begin with.
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Wehrlein and Kvyat would be a pretty handy line up indeed. Hartley's shown he's not quite up to it, so I think Kvyat would be a better choice, although I still can't see what Toro Rosso would get out of it. Maybe they'd just use him for a year until Ticktum is ready.
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He isn't? Never knew that. Oh well, never mind then, Wehrlein back in.

I do think he's somewhat average though.
Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point /s

Honestly I can't say Werhlein is worse than Ocon though as I haven't really seen one being quicker.
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I've always rated Wehrlein, and I remember saying after their half season at Manor together that I felt Wehrlein was stronger than Ocon. Saying that, Ocon has clearly raised his game massively since moving to Force India, but I would love to see what Wehrlein could have done there too. I genuinely think they'd be a very close match.

I really hope this Wehrlein / Toro Rosso rumour isn't just media crap and has some substance to it, because I really think Wehrlein deserves another shot at F1.
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He isn't? Never knew that. Oh well, never mind then, Wehrlein back in.

I do think he's somewhat average though.
Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point /s

Honestly I can't say Werhlein is worse than Ocon though as I haven't really seen one being quicker.
Ocon wasn't in the Manor-team when Wehrlein scored that point though. He stepped in half way through the season in a backmarker, whilst being over 6 foot tall, which caused problems as the car was designed for the relatively short, even for F1-standards, Haryanto and he kept up and then severely outpaced Wehrlein in very difficult conditions in Brazil. That, to me, showed that Ocon is a much bigger talent than Wehrlein.
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He isn't? Never knew that. Oh well, never mind then, Wehrlein back in.

I do think he's somewhat average though.
Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point /s

Honestly I can't say Werhlein is worse than Ocon though as I haven't really seen one being quicker.
Ocon wasn't in the Manor-team when Wehrlein scored that point though.
...Did you somehow miss the giant /s after "Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point"
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He isn't? Never knew that. Oh well, never mind then, Wehrlein back in.

I do think he's somewhat average though.
Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point /s

Honestly I can't say Werhlein is worse than Ocon though as I haven't really seen one being quicker.
Ocon wasn't in the Manor-team when Wehrlein scored that point though.
...Did you somehow miss the giant /s after "Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point"
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I have no idea what that means.
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He isn't? Never knew that. Oh well, never mind then, Wehrlein back in.

I do think he's somewhat average though.
Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point /s

Honestly I can't say Werhlein is worse than Ocon though as I haven't really seen one being quicker.
Ocon wasn't in the Manor-team when Wehrlein scored that point though.
...Did you somehow miss the giant /s after "Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point"
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I have no idea what that means.
Well I mean it takes less than 10 seconds to search it up. It means sarcasm.
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He isn't? Never knew that. Oh well, never mind then, Wehrlein back in.

I do think he's somewhat average though.
Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point /s

Honestly I can't say Werhlein is worse than Ocon though as I haven't really seen one being quicker.
Ocon wasn't in the Manor-team when Wehrlein scored that point though.
...Did you somehow miss the giant /s after "Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point"
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I have no idea what that means.
Well I mean it takes less than 10 seconds to search it up. It means sarcasm.
Takes less than 10 seconds to be an asshole too apparently. I assumed you mishit something on your keyboard or something, so I disregarded it.
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He isn't? Never knew that. Oh well, never mind then, Wehrlein back in.

I do think he's somewhat average though.
Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point /s

Honestly I can't say Werhlein is worse than Ocon though as I haven't really seen one being quicker.
Ocon wasn't in the Manor-team when Wehrlein scored that point though.
...Did you somehow miss the giant /s after "Well I mean Werhlein beat Ocon by one point"
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I have no idea what that means.
Well I mean it takes less than 10 seconds to search it up. It means sarcasm.
Takes less than 10 seconds to be an **** too apparently. I assumed you mishit something on your keyboard or something, so I disregarded it.
Calling someone names isn't that nice. I had no intention to make you annoyed or anything.
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Don't go complaining when your original comment wasn't needed in the first place...
Sorry I wanted to voice my opinion about Ocon vs Werhlein and then just wanted to tell him what /s meant. I had no intention to annoy anyone and I didn't think people would think I was trying to act like a dick.

I'm also not trying to complain. I only mentioned that calling people names isn't that nice.
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Passive-aggressively belittling someone for asking a question isn't nice either. In my eyes, you did that twice and could've easily answered the follow-up question without the snarky "it takes 10 seconds to google"-comment. I feel like you shouldn't be surprised I took it the way that I took it.

But whatever, I'm sure I've done that too at times in a natural way, so if you say you didn't mean to do that, then I'll believe you, apologize for calling you an *censored* and keep it moving.
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George Russell to Williams. Very deserving of the seat, he's done a better job overall than Norris over this Formula 2 season. First time Norris has been beaten to a title in years!

I'm confused as to why it wasn't Ocon in that seat though. Could someone explain to me why Mercedes didn't push for Ocon to get that seat? Would've thought they'd want their current top junior in there?
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Glad to see him get a seat, not only because he is also from Norfolk but because talent has trumped money it seems. If I was Ocon and Mercedes had paid for that seat for Russell I'd be fuming, has there been any news on that?

Looks like I'm going to cheering on Williams next year, what a turn of events.
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I like it the way we have it at the moment with the SC lines. Don't see why they need to change it really.

Imagine a restart at Baku if it was at the start / finish line. With that massive run up there'd be so many people having to back off to make sure they didn't overtake before the line!
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Has anyone followed the whole Guy Edwards story today? Strange... :p

For those who've missed it, Guy Edwards was an F1 driver in the 1970s (probably most famous for pulling Niki Lauda out of the flames and wreckage at Nurburgring in 1976), and last night someone reported that he had died. All the major motorsport news outlets (incl. Autosport and Motorsport.com) jumped onto this story and made their own articles and obituaries, but then it turns out that he hasn't died and is in fact alive and well in his cottage in Ireland!

It's funny but also terrible really. Just shows what a bit of fact checking can do and how a rogue story can blow up. Fake news!
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Has anyone followed the whole Guy Edwards story today? Strange... :p

For those who've missed it, Guy Edwards was an F1 driver in the 1970s (probably most famous for pulling Niki Lauda out of the flames and wreckage at Nurburgring in 1976), and last night someone reported that he had died. All the major motorsport news outlets (incl. Autosport and Motorsport.com) jumped onto this story and made their own articles and obituaries, but then it turns out that he hasn't died and is in fact alive and well in his cottage in Ireland!

It's funny but also terrible really. Just shows what a bit of fact checking can do and how a rogue story can blow up. Fake news!
I genuinely thought he was dead until i saw this post. It was reported all over twitter yesterday, and as i didn't know the guy i never looked further into it.. Mad how easily people can be deceived! (Including me  :# ) 
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It's so weird how it's ALWAYS him that spins round! I loved Martin Brundle's commentary when it happened at COTA, he just shouted 'Oh he's round AGAIN!'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNwPpqaLE60&t=74s
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It's reminds me of @RevolvingPrawn every time he comes in to contact with ai in Pcars 2, whether he hits the ai or the ai hits him, he's the one that always ends up spinning round :joy:

Also that YouTube video makes me sad. It's 60fps, but in the UK TV is broadcast at 50hz (50fps) so that video looks so much smoother. I don't understand why the UK still uses 50hz when all TV are now 60hz.
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I know there is a motorsport thread somewhere but I can't be bothered to go back and find it, so this will do.

Anyone watch the Macau GP earlier? I happened to wake up early today for some reason, so I found a stream for the race and watched it in bed. Sophia Floersch's crash... my goodness... that is absolutely one of the worst crashes I've ever seen in motorsport. Thank goodness she's relatively fine after that. I hope the marshals and photographers all recover as well, because I know some of them were injured too.

Apart from the obvious shock of seeing the footage for the first time, I also felt kind of angry, because this accident was much worse than it should have been because of yet ANOTHER sausage kerb launching an out-of-control car into mid air!

We've seen so many examples of cars being launched by these sausage kerbs (Heidfeld in Beijing Formula E, Tereshenko in GP3 Spa, Galael in F2 Monaco), but this is undoubtedly the worst result of one of them now. There must be research made into finding another way to stop drivers cutting corners, while not launching out-of-control cars into the air and potentially into catch fencing and people or objects behind it.
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In terms of the race itself, Dan Ticktum drove brilliantly to win. I should be happy because he's a young talented British hopeful, but his attitude, arrogance and ego are pretty rubbish, so I just can't support him at all. I listened to the Autosport Podcast this week and they did a Macau GP special with Ticktum as a guest, and the dude is just so arrogant, I've never known a driver like it (apart from Verstappen maybe)! The way he speaks shows he thinks he's the best and it's incomprehensible to him how anyone else can be better. 'I won this, I won that, I did this better than them, xxx has no chance, we're looking pretty unbeatable tbh', etc.

Obviously we all know about his past (if you don't, he overtook around 10 cars under SC conditions to deliberately hit another driver out of the race, at a corner where marshals were on the track working. Resulted in a 1 year disqualification from motorsport.), but then this year he also insinuated that Prema and Mick Schumacher must be cheating because of their success! What a load of bullsh*t this guy is full of! He just couldn't face up to the fact that his performance in the second half of the season was just really naff. (He got an average of just 11 points per race in the second half of the season).

Ugh, sorry to rant, but the guy just winds me up the wrong way somehow. The guy needs to take a leaf out of George Russell and Charles Leclerc's books. They're both amazingly talented, yet they are humble and so calm on and off track. Maybe when he lets his ego calm down a bit then I'll start supporting him.
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I know there is a motorsport thread somewhere but I can't be bothered to go back and find it, so this will do.

Anyone watch the Macau GP earlier? I happened to wake up early today for some reason, so I found a stream for the race and watched it in bed. Sophia Floersch's crash... my goodness... that is absolutely one of the worst crashes I've ever seen in motorsport. Thank goodness she's relatively fine after that. I hope the marshals and photographers all recover as well, because I know some of them were injured too.

Apart from the obvious shock of seeing the footage for the first time, I also felt kind of angry, because this accident was much worse than it should have been because of yet ANOTHER sausage kerb launching an out-of-control car into mid air!

We've seen so many examples of cars being launched by these sausage kerbs (Heidfeld in Beijing Formula E, Tereshenko in GP3 Spa, Galael in F2 Monaco), but this is undoubtedly the worst result of one of them now. There must be research made into finding another way to stop drivers cutting corners, while not launching out-of-control cars into the air and potentially into catch fencing and people or objects behind it.
Not that I don't agree, but looking at the many, many angles I've seen from the crash, I'd say that Sophia got launched over the wheel of someone else's car. The area to the inside of the kerb was slightly elevated, but not in a sausage kerb-kind of way.

Having said that, people should've died today. They didn't. How everybody got away with their lives in this accident is a miracle. Even more if the spinal fracture Sophia has suffered is relatively okay to the point she can go back racing next season.
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You're definitely right when saying she got launched over someone else's car, but I am 99% sure the sausage kerb did cause the car to go airborne in the first place. Then when she hit the other car it made her go further.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/9y6jkl/macau_gp_sophia_crash_location_and_kerb/?utm_source=reddit-android

Saw this photo earlier, which definitely shows it to be a sausage kerb (look at the shoe on the right for size comparison). You can tell from the marks that she skidded across it too. I'm sure this kerb had some effect on the accident.
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Yeah, that's definitely a ramp. I take back what I said. I do wonder what would've happened without it, as she would've hit the car much harder, but then again, I'd bet that it was always much easier to survive that impact than the one Sophia ended up surviving today. That crash could not have gone any better, a slight tilt in this direction or that direction and it's over.
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Yeah, that's definitely a ramp. I take back what I said. I do wonder what would've happened without it, as she would've hit the car much harder, but then again, I'd bet that it was always much easier to survive that impact than the one Sophia ended up surviving today. That crash could not have gone any better, a slight tilt in this direction or that direction and it's over.
I think hitting the other car would've been preferable to going over the barrier! The cars are designed to deform on impact (excluding the survival cell of course, and car on car crashes are usually ok. In Floersch's accident she hit a pretty solid structure which brought her to a quick stop. If she hit the other car then the stop time would have been longer and safer I'm sure.

They said with Jules Bianchi's accident that if he had hit Sutil's car instead of the recovery vehicle then he would've most likely walked away from it because Sutil's car would have also started to deform (probably not the right word) after the impact.
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The angle i saw she was already in the air, initially i thought she launched off another car but until you pointed out it was a kerb. Reports from the team is that she is recovering fine in hospital.
She was definitely launched higher into the air from the other car, you're right, but the kerb seemed to get her into the air first.
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Another thing that is important to take away from this accident is the placement of marshals around race tracks. I know this sort of scenario that happened is so unlikely to happen, but these things can happen, and those marshals were right in the firing line.

I've thought this for years with T1 at Monaco. Take a look at the video below of Max Verstappen's crash there in 2015, and you can see there are marshals placed right behind the barrier where he ended up.

https://youtu.be/Ce4r2nSnmyU?t=15

After that accident they installed a small fence behind it to protect the marshals better, but the accident in Macau yesterday shows that cars can still go straight through those fences. If Verstappen happened to get airborne into T1 then those marshals would've had no chance. Track designers really need to think about these things in the future.
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