couger1981 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 The new Qualifying system will start in Melbourne not Catalunya as previously reported.Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 This is a great read, and one of the main reasons I don't think F1 should have enclosed cockpits.https://twitter.com/motorsportsafet/status/705136686812901377 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Ferrari have tested the Halo protection concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator MBKF1 Posted March 3, 2016 Moderator Share Posted March 3, 2016 I stumbled across that article earlier this morning, everyone should have a read. I agree with you Hughesy, this is one of those situations where having an open cockpit would have helped a lot more.It's such a dilemma, there are definitely pros and cons to both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It's just stupid, it's going to cause more accidents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APR193 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I think Kimis reaction when he comes back into the pits in this video says it all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of10Pes03ksInstant shake of the head and points to the "halo", as if to say "I can't see a ******* thing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick8505 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 yeah that really is an all around stupid concept. Drivers already lack visibility, why obstruct it further? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicola Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Like I said before, not only is it disgusting looking, it obstructs visibility and does sweet FA in protecting the driver. I seriously doubt that thing is strong enough to properly deflect something like a wheel or another car.If we're seriously going for cockpit protection, then it would have to be an entirely enclosed canopy. Which, for obvious reasons, is out of the question.Nico Rosberg says "Massive safety improvement". Mexicola says "you're a goddamn moron". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I would wonder how a fire like that would happen in an open formula with a canopy.Also, I like the irony of a system meant to prevent deaths being dubbed the "halo". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Jiggy said: I would wonder how a fire like that would happen in an open formula with a canopy.Also, I like the irony of a system meant to prevent deaths being dubbed the "halo". There's all sorts of electronics that can catch fire under the drivers arse, also if fuel leaks the car can go up really quick and for whatever reason the canopy might not open, like if you crash and somethings stuck you get cooked alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Mexicola said: Like I said before, not only is it disgusting looking, it obstructs visibility and does sweet FA in protecting the driver. I seriously doubt that thing is strong enough to properly deflect something like a wheel or another car.If we're seriously going for cockpit protection, then it would have to be an entirely enclosed canopy. Which, for obvious reasons, is out of the question.Nico Rosberg says "Massive safety improvement". Mexicola says "you're a goddamn moron". Sorry to do this Mexi, but in terms of protection...This is another design they were looking at too, which honestly I prefer the look of, but below it is how it performed in testing. I don't think it's a bad result at all, but the FIA weren't happy it seems. Also linking the article these images came from at the bottom of this post if anyone wants to read it.http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/2/11147832/f1-closed-cockpits-fia-tests-photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Surely though if the wheel came from the side it could still hit the drivers head with both designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicola Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 RevolvingPrawn said:*just look two posts above you lazy fffffffffffffffffffffffffff* Ah right, I stand corrected on that, but the rest still stands. Visibility is an issue, it still won't prevent small debris like what happened to Massa, and a wheel properly positioned could still reach the helmet. Not totally opposed to cockpit protection, but it has to be done properly or not at all. This halo, in my opinion, is not satisfactory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Mexicola said: RevolvingPrawn said:*just look two posts above you lazy fffffffffffffffffffffffffff* Ah right, I stand corrected on that, but the rest still stands. Visibility is an issue, it still won't prevent small debris like what happened to Massa, and a wheel properly positioned could still reach the helmet. Not totally opposed to cockpit protection, but it has to be done properly or not at all. This halo, in my opinion, is not satisfactory. Agreed on all points bud. Apparently Red Bull have also come up with their own design too which they claim is better than the Halo, but they haven't shown it publicly yet.I think maybe it's time F1 took a look at WEC's fully enclosed tbh. Like they bloody well should have looked at the Le Mans 60KPH yellow zones instead of the stupid VLC which allows Rosberg drivers to cheat and close the gap despite it being introduced to stop that. As much as people will bitch and moan that F1 is supposed to be open cockpit, I'd rather see a closed cockpit than the half effort of the Halo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Even flow vis paint makes the McLaren livery look nicer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VetteIfan Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 "Properly or not at all" is pretty much my thoughts. One of my biggest problems is they only seem to be focussing on avoiding flying tyres, when in F1 small pieces of debris are the biggest risk to drivers. Tyres rarely fly off in a violent way nowadays due to the amazing wheel tethers on the car. And another point, if this is introduced next year, judging by that video we're going to be having tyres and other pieces of debris launched high in to the air and coming back down again at a rapid pace. That was pretty much exactly the cause of Justin Wilson's death when the nose cone hit him on top of the head. I know this will probably happen with any kind of canopy/head protection, but it's just another thing to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexicola Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 RevolvingPrawn said: Agreed on all points bud. Apparently Red Bull have also come up with their own design too which they claim is better than the Halo, but they haven't shown it publicly yet.I think maybe it's time F1 took a look at WEC's fully enclosed tbh. Like they bloody well should have looked at the Le Mans 60KPH yellow zones instead of the stupid VLC which allows Rosberg drivers to cheat and close the gap despite it being introduced to stop that. As much as people will bitch and moan that F1 is supposed to be open cockpit, I'd rather see a closed cockpit than the half effort of the Halo. Problem with the fully enclosed approach is that in the event of the car being upside down, poor bastard's going to be trapped, not to mention the overheating issues that will come with it, although there's probably some solution to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevolvingPrawn Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Mexicola said: RevolvingPrawn said: Agreed on all points bud. Apparently Red Bull have also come up with their own design too which they claim is better than the Halo, but they haven't shown it publicly yet.I think maybe it's time F1 took a look at WEC's fully enclosed tbh. Like they bloody well should have looked at the Le Mans 60KPH yellow zones instead of the stupid VLC which allows Rosberg drivers to cheat and close the gap despite it being introduced to stop that. As much as people will bitch and moan that F1 is supposed to be open cockpit, I'd rather see a closed cockpit than the half effort of the Halo. Problem with the fully enclosed approach is that in the event of the car being upside down, poor bastard's going to be trapped, not to mention the overheating issues that will come with it, although there's probably some solution to it. They just gotta look at WEC again bud. It'll take a fair bit of redesign, but it's probably best to do that, start with a blank sheet, rather than trying to shoehorn cockpit protection to the current design of the cars. Rather than a driver having to leave the car from above them, the door on either side approach of WEC could work with a sidepod change. Plus in WEC the doors have explosive bolts to aid a driver escaping, and cockpit air con is mandatory. It'll increase the weight of the cars and obviously drop lap times, but with the kind of time frame it would take to implement stuff like this, there'd likely be time to develop a much more powerful electronic component to the engine to increase acceleration in an effort to not drop much lap time. And of course there's always improvements to be made from the tires! I'm just gonna pop two pics below that when I saw them got my cogs working lol. I don't want F1 to copy WEC completely, but WEC just seems to have nailed the driver protection side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 This is why I like Lewis as a driver, No f**** givenhttps://twitter.com/skysportsf1/status/705765428900003841Rosberg however.....https://twitter.com/nico_rosberg/status/705369326648496128 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syn Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 We have 3 or 4 people signed up so far. The more the merrier!Just made the league: http://badgergp.com/fantasygp/friends/Passcode is 1276176 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggy Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Hughesy said: This is why I like Lewis as a driver, No f**** givenhttps://twitter.com/skysportsf1/status/705765428900003841Rosberg however.....https://twitter.com/nico_rosberg/status/705369326648496128 You're not holding this against Rosberg right?About the canopy-thing, being trapped in the car while it's on fire, with the canopy malfunctioning, sounds more unlikely to me than stuff hitting them on the heads. And about them being trapped if the car is upside down, if they can install an emergency full-release system where the entire thing comes off, you should be able to solve that problem. Unless you're in a situation where you would've been trapped regardless.Hülkenberg and Ricciardo are beefing over this now too, Ricciardo said that Hulk shouldn't be a hero after the latter said he'd take the risks for granted if it meant not having to drive with the halo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Tell you what, why not remove the drivers and turn them into remote control cars, no chance of anything happening to drivers then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATT Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Silly Formula 1 drivers, wanting their sport to be as safe as possible so they don't get seriously injured or die of something that could have been avoided. :') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syn Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Matthew77258 said: Silly Formula 1 drivers, wanting their sport to be as safe as possible so they don't get seriously injured or die of something that could have been avoided. :') I agree. The sport can be just as exciting (err...in theory, nor right now though) and dangerous AND still protect the drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaTesta Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 these modern day drivers look almost anorexic, remember when it used to be a mans sport? its a young boys sport nowadays and the majority look like stick insects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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