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Montezemolo is leaving Ferrari! http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/09/10/montezemolo-confirms-ferrari-departure/
So Marchionne replaces him in the interim. Who do they get to officially replace him? I vote for Flavio Briatore or Brawn >:)
I would say Ross Brawn as well it's just a case of would he want to go back to Ferrari though. I wouldn't think Briatore would be suitable given I doubt having someone will in to bend/break the rules would be suitable. I can't see either Raikkonen or Alonso willing to crash to help the other :p
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Formula One considering banning team radio during races in 2015

It will certainly make drivers learn about their cars without the assistance from their engineers.

F1 times
Now to wait for tons of code words. Or possible loophole?

Team talking to Rosberg: "Nico, Hamilton's tires look good, his engine is at optimal performance." The intention is to talk about HAM's car, to Nico, but the tire and car performance is actually related to Nico's tires and car perf.

Or is ALL communication to BOTH drivers, regardless of whom they are talking about, banned?
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SynGamer said:
Formula One considering banning team radio during races in 2015

It will certainly make drivers learn about their cars without the assistance from their engineers.

F1 times
Now to wait for tons of code words. Or possible loophole?

Team talking to Rosberg: "Nico, Hamilton's tires look good, his engine is at optimal performance." The intention is to talk about HAM's car, to Nico, but the tire and car performance is actually related to Nico's tires and car perf.

Or is ALL communication to BOTH drivers, regardless of whom they are talking about, banned?
Only messages that talk about the car is banned according to the article.
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couger1981 said:
SynGamer said:
Formula One considering banning team radio during races in 2015

It will certainly make drivers learn about their cars without the assistance from their engineers.

F1 times
Now to wait for tons of code words. Or possible loophole?

Team talking to Rosberg: "Nico, Hamilton's tires look good, his engine is at optimal performance." The intention is to talk about HAM's car, to Nico, but the tire and car performance is actually related to Nico's tires and car perf.

Or is ALL communication to BOTH drivers, regardless of whom they are talking about, banned?
Only messages that talk about the car is banned according to the article.
It won't work. They will just make a code that no fans will be able to understand. I'd love them to get rid of radio all together, this change won't make a difference to what the drivers knows, it will just change how the language they use.
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Formula One considering banning team radio during races in 2015

It will certainly make drivers learn about their cars without the assistance from their engineers.

F1 times
Now to wait for tons of code words. Or possible loophole?

Team talking to Rosberg: "Nico, Hamilton's tires look good, his engine is at optimal performance." The intention is to talk about HAM's car, to Nico, but the tire and car performance is actually related to Nico's tires and car perf.

Or is ALL communication to BOTH drivers, regardless of whom they are talking about, banned?
Only messages that talk about the car is banned according to the article.
Sounds stupid and unnecessary. People will waste energy on deciphering coded messages leading to more stupid fines and lots of dull discussions on internet forums.
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Charlie Whiting has clarified exactly what is banned on team radio to AMuS. No information allowed regarding tyres/brake condition, fuel consumption, engine maps, ERS mode, fuel mix, diff settings, formation lap instructions to prepare race start - burnouts, gearbox sync and bite point settings. 

So in other words if a brake disc is about to explode the driver has to figure that out for himself. His punishment if he doesn't - an enormous accident. 

Aside from the obvious safety concerns though, it'll be really interesting to see who benefits from this. Because it's not just a case of having driving advice taken away from team radio, but the whole of the cars fundamental systems and procedures will now have to be worked purely by the drivers. 
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Seems pointless to me, what if you just need to flick a switch to save your car from retiring but you don't know what to do and the team can't tell you? Didn't Hamilton get told at Monza what to press when he had issues? What happens if Rosberg has those issues next race and now cannot receive help?

So cars that don't need to retire, might have to just because the driver didn't know what to press on the wheel and the team cannot tell them.

FIA logic.

Next thing you know, they'll be adding double points to the last race of the season! Oh wait...
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I echo the thoughts of GoldenClot and AMS. I think this is going to end up in a similar way the banning of team orders did, with teams giving their drivers secret codes, or differently worded messages, and in the end the rule will end up being over turned.

With the new generation of cars being so complex with all the various systems running on it, such as brake by wire, fuel management, ERS, MGU-K, MGU-H, etc, as well as tyre wear, burnouts to the grid, gearboxes, brakes, etc, I feel the engineer's advice and comments are essential to the cars running smoothly.

Lets take the scenario Mercedes saw in Canada. Both cars suddenly lost power and in the end I think the team ended up knowing it would effect braking, which ultimately led to Hamilton's retirement. Before the ban the radio would have been something like this, I guess:

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's wrong?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, there's a problem with 'x' and that means it will probably effect your braking so change the brake bias to the rear to help conserve that and change the fuel setting to yellow G2.'

Now what would the conversation be like?

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's up?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, but we can't tell you as it'll break the rules.'

That will be stupid, and obviously the team want to get the car to run as best as possible, so they will want to somehow get a message across to him telling him to change the brake bias and fuel setting.

I am sure this rule will be overturned. Seems stupid.
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I echo the thoughts of GoldenClot and AMS. I think this is going to end up in a similar way the banning of team orders did, with teams giving their drivers secret codes, or differently worded messages, and in the end the rule will end up being over turned.

With the new generation of cars being so complex with all the various systems running on it, such as brake by wire, fuel management, ERS, MGU-K, MGU-H, etc, as well as tyre wear, burnouts to the grid, gearboxes, brakes, etc, I feel the engineer's advice and comments are essential to the cars running smoothly.

Lets take the scenario Mercedes saw in Canada. Both cars suddenly lost power and in the end I think the team ended up knowing it would effect braking, which ultimately led to Hamilton's retirement. Before the ban the radio would have been something like this, I guess:

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's wrong?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, there's a problem with 'x' and that means it will probably effect your braking so change the brake bias to the rear to help conserve that and change the fuel setting to yellow G2.'

Now what would the conversation be like?

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's up?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, but we can't tell you as it'll break the rules.'

That will be stupid, and obviously the team want to get the car to run as best as possible, so they will want to somehow get a message across to him telling him to change the brake bias and fuel setting.

I am sure this rule will be overturned. Seems stupid.
It will make the drivers rely on there instinct and get a feel of the car to know whats wrong just like the drivers from the 70s - 90s did.
But we will see if FOM keeps this rule after the next race.

Edit: Also Code words will be banned aswell For example: "Hammer time" or "Mix 5". And the team are not allowed to give their drivers information regarding other drivers with the exception about drivers who they are coming up behind to lap.
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couger1981 said:
I echo the thoughts of GoldenClot and AMS. I think this is going to end up in a similar way the banning of team orders did, with teams giving their drivers secret codes, or differently worded messages, and in the end the rule will end up being over turned.

With the new generation of cars being so complex with all the various systems running on it, such as brake by wire, fuel management, ERS, MGU-K, MGU-H, etc, as well as tyre wear, burnouts to the grid, gearboxes, brakes, etc, I feel the engineer's advice and comments are essential to the cars running smoothly.

Lets take the scenario Mercedes saw in Canada. Both cars suddenly lost power and in the end I think the team ended up knowing it would effect braking, which ultimately led to Hamilton's retirement. Before the ban the radio would have been something like this, I guess:

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's wrong?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, there's a problem with 'x' and that means it will probably effect your braking so change the brake bias to the rear to help conserve that and change the fuel setting to yellow G2.'

Now what would the conversation be like?

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's up?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, but we can't tell you as it'll break the rules.'

That will be stupid, and obviously the team want to get the car to run as best as possible, so they will want to somehow get a message across to him telling him to change the brake bias and fuel setting.

I am sure this rule will be overturned. Seems stupid.
It will make the drivers rely on there instinct and get a feel of the car to know whats wrong just like the drivers from the 70s - 90s did.
But we will see if FOM keeps this rule after the next race.

Edit: Also Code words will be banned aswell For example: "Hammer time" or "Mix 5". And the team are not allowed to give their drivers information regarding other drivers with the exception about drivers who they are coming up behind to lap.
Would think Hamilton would know when Hammer time would be anyway he wouldn't need his crew to tell him that. as they usually employ it for the last couple of laps of each stint.  So he'll know his pit stop times he'll just make the charge for the last couple of laps before coming in. As for the other stuff I get the feeling the rule won't last long.
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couger1981 said:
I echo the thoughts of GoldenClot and AMS. I think this is going to end up in a similar way the banning of team orders did, with teams giving their drivers secret codes, or differently worded messages, and in the end the rule will end up being over turned.

With the new generation of cars being so complex with all the various systems running on it, such as brake by wire, fuel management, ERS, MGU-K, MGU-H, etc, as well as tyre wear, burnouts to the grid, gearboxes, brakes, etc, I feel the engineer's advice and comments are essential to the cars running smoothly.

Lets take the scenario Mercedes saw in Canada. Both cars suddenly lost power and in the end I think the team ended up knowing it would effect braking, which ultimately led to Hamilton's retirement. Before the ban the radio would have been something like this, I guess:

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's wrong?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, there's a problem with 'x' and that means it will probably effect your braking so change the brake bias to the rear to help conserve that and change the fuel setting to yellow G2.'

Now what would the conversation be like?

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's up?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, but we can't tell you as it'll break the rules.'

That will be stupid, and obviously the team want to get the car to run as best as possible, so they will want to somehow get a message across to him telling him to change the brake bias and fuel setting.

I am sure this rule will be overturned. Seems stupid.
It will make the drivers rely on there instinct and get a feel of the car to know whats wrong just like the drivers from the 70s - 90s did.
But we will see if FOM keeps this rule after the next race.

Edit: Also Code words will be banned aswell For example: "Hammer time" or "Mix 5". And the team are not allowed to give their drivers information regarding other drivers with the exception about drivers who they are coming up behind to lap.
Would think Hamilton would know when Hammer time would be anyway he wouldn't need his crew to tell him that. as they usually employ it for the last couple of laps of each stint.  So he'll know his pit stop times he'll just make the charge for the last couple of laps before coming in. As for the other stuff I get the feeling the rule won't last long.
That was the excitement about F1 in the 80s and 90s not much radio communications and we had more retirements, nowadays there are lot of dull races with the engineers telling the drivers that the car is about to brake down and telling them what to press on the steering wheel to continue racing.
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PeteTheDuck said:
Thinking about it, the LCD display would be perfect now


Nice.. but data transmission from pit to car is prohibited, so that probably includes texts and tweets.. :smiley:  I'm surprised that electric category doesn't have a touch screen for drivers to tweet midrace to maximise chance for getting votes for the boost.
It still says teams can still advise on pitstop strategy and for safety. So I'm not sure if that will allow messages like, push now to prepare for pitstop/ conserve now we are switching to long strategy etc. It will also be interesting to see whats considered a message relating to safety.. eg For the safety of the engine use map 4 or you can brake a little later into turn 3 to avoid getting hit from behind.. (maybe excusable if maldonado is behind)
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couger1981 said:
I echo the thoughts of GoldenClot and AMS. I think this is going to end up in a similar way the banning of team orders did, with teams giving their drivers secret codes, or differently worded messages, and in the end the rule will end up being over turned.

With the new generation of cars being so complex with all the various systems running on it, such as brake by wire, fuel management, ERS, MGU-K, MGU-H, etc, as well as tyre wear, burnouts to the grid, gearboxes, brakes, etc, I feel the engineer's advice and comments are essential to the cars running smoothly.

Lets take the scenario Mercedes saw in Canada. Both cars suddenly lost power and in the end I think the team ended up knowing it would effect braking, which ultimately led to Hamilton's retirement. Before the ban the radio would have been something like this, I guess:

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's wrong?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, there's a problem with 'x' and that means it will probably effect your braking so change the brake bias to the rear to help conserve that and change the fuel setting to yellow G2.'

Now what would the conversation be like?

LH: 'The car's lost power, do you know what's up?'
Enginner: 'Yeah Lewis, but we can't tell you as it'll break the rules.'

That will be stupid, and obviously the team want to get the car to run as best as possible, so they will want to somehow get a message across to him telling him to change the brake bias and fuel setting.

I am sure this rule will be overturned. Seems stupid.
It will make the drivers rely on there instinct and get a feel of the car to know whats wrong just like the drivers from the 70s - 90s did.
But we will see if FOM keeps this rule after the next race.

Edit: Also Code words will be banned aswell For example: "Hammer time" or "Mix 5". And the team are not allowed to give their drivers information regarding other drivers with the exception about drivers who they are coming up behind to lap.
Yeah but back then the wheel had less than 5 buttons right? F1 is more of a team sport than ever, when you lose communication in the race, it is always a bad thing, obviously. 
But like I said and like Pete said, simple issues that can be resolved with a switch now can't be. Just wait until something happens like Lewis retires due to an issue that could have been fixed with a switch and loses the title. There will be out rage.

Due to how things are now, you wont ever re create the what people loved about the 1970's-90's. Technology has moved on and unfortunately we can't have 1000BHP cars and little downforce. F1 needs to relaxs its rules a bit, bit more innovation would be great.
At one time people got excited over innovations like fan cars, re positioning engines from front to rear, carbon fibre being used and big stuff like that, now you just have a slightly different nose cone. 
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Technology has moved on and unfortunately we can't have 1000BHP cars and little downforce. F1 needs to relaxs its rules a bit, bit more innovation would be great.
I see what you're getting at but these two sentences don't really make sense written next to each other. By the way you talk about it I assume you like 1000bhp, low downforce cars etc (which is fine), but by relaxing the rules we're going to get further away from those type of cars. With looser restrictions the designers are only going to find more downforce, not less. 


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AMS97KRR said:
Technology has moved on and unfortunately we can't have 1000BHP cars and little downforce. F1 needs to relaxs its rules a bit, bit more innovation would be great.
I see what you're getting at but these two sentences don't really make sense written next to each other. By the way you talk about it I assume you like 1000bhp, low downforce cars etc (which is fine), but by relaxing the rules we're going to get further away from those type of cars. With looser restrictions the designers are only going to find more downforce, not less. 


I did actually mean to put that on another line. I don't mind having lots of down force or very little. I just wish we had those insanely powerful cars again. My point with the high power low down force cars was that I know people liked that about the 1980's. 
I just think a bit more freedom, to a point, in the design of the car would be nice.

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Gangsta rap, rap, I am not into this sort of music to make a difference about that.
Bottom line is, he has a (gangsta) rap attitude (H.A.M. f.ex.) and that was what I was making fun of. Why would I, a LH-fan myself, have a problem with his skin color? It makes no sense. And you've overreacted, no detailed discussion about whether Diddy can be considered a gangsta-rapper or not will change anything about that.
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I never said you had a problem with his skin color. My point was because Lewis has never been shown to act or talk anything like in your joke, I simply cannot see the humor in it and I'm the type who sees the humor in a lot of offensive things. I also think it's odd that you continue to base it on his non-existant "rap attitude". Whatever that is. He obviously likes hiphop and is a fan of the culture, but it's not exactly that prominent in what we see from Hamilton's personality and the idea that a hiphop-fan is associated with "yo yo yo my dawg" does irk me.

But I don't feel like I'm overreacting on your poor lapse of judgement. I still think your joke was very, very poor. That's all really.
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